Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-16 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: As per the Mozilla site: Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above. FreeBSD does not supply, nor support as far as I can decipher, that version or any of the

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-16 Thread Adam Vande More
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:46 AM, bdsf...@att.net wrote: On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:46:35 -0400, Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr wrote: Jerry said: Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above. OK, this explains why my plugin

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Joshua Isom
On 9/14/2010 4:21 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Jules == Jules Gilbertjules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java Jules sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. Jules (It's called Open Source.) And

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 01:52:57 -0500 Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com articulated: As to the original post, Java, a portable write once run anywhere language, doesn't work on FreeBSD, a standard type operating system that mainly runs on standard hardware, when used with Xorg, a widely used

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Michel Talon
Jerry said: It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and thereby, at least in my case, make the latest version of Firefox fully usable,

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Wednesday 15 September 2010 13:02:41 Jerry wrote: It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on FreeBSD and thereby, at least in my case, make

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread C. Bergström
Jonathan McKeown wrote: Yes. It lies with Sun and Oracle, and the licensing terms that prevent the FreeBSD project from distributing modified Java packages. More generally, the problem lies with companies who won't support FreeBSD but also prevent the project from supporting their product

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Jerry
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:17:32 + Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr articulated: Jerry said: It took years, literally, before FreeBSD matured enough to get 64-bit drivers for nVidia working correctly on its platform. The failure to get the latest version(s) of Java working correctly on

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread Michel Talon
Jerry said: Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above. OK, this explains why my plugin doesn't work. So the only solution is to use the port firefox35 hoping that other components (flash plugin support) also work in this case. FreeBSD

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-15 Thread bdsfbsd
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:46:35 -0400, Michel Talon ta...@lpthe.jussieu.fr wrote: Jerry said: Starting in Firefox 3.6, you also need the new Java plugin included in Java 6 Update 15 and above. OK, this explains why my plugin doesn't work. So the only solution is to use the port firefox35

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-14 Thread Jules Gilbert
I'm the guy who started this thread. First, I'm not unhappy with any of you. Each of you, every single person who has, at any time, been a member of the team working on *any* FBSD sub-system, has contributed more than me. I don't criticize you, I salute you, thank you. And stop throwing bricks

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-14 Thread David Brodbeck
(Trimming the CC list a bit.) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com wrote: I understand that Sun declined to allow pre-built configurations to be shipped.  Okay. Now, (here I am not asking for a public response, nor am I suggesting that anyone email me

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-14 Thread RW
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010 12:11:10 -0400 Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com wrote: A typical FBSD user wants to be able to do a ports-based install, or perhaps a pkg_add and, presto, out of the box, have a browser. And, here it comes... Wait for it. Without too much trouble, have a running

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-14 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java Jules sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. Jules (It's called Open Source.) And that's what I tried to say in my last few posts.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-14 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Tuesday, 14 September 2010: Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Now, if Oracle won't adjust their thinking, I intend to look at Java Jules sub-systems that are supplied and built by other people than Oracle. Jules (It's called Open

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-13 Thread Paul Wootton
On 09/10/10 15:16, Chip Camden wrote: Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the only good solution? Take a look at some online games. For example Runescape (www.runescape.com) Taken from Wikipedia /*RuneScape*/ is a fantasy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Polytropon
Preface: Sorry for messing up the quotes and all, this message got a bit untidy so that even *I* am unsure who I am currently replying to. :-) On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +, four.harris...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:56 -0600, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: These days, it seems like the only places people *really* think they still need Java are smartphones and enterprise systems running on overpriced servers -- neither of which makes a difference for Firefox on the

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Joshua Isom
On 9/11/2010 1:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: Let me add another field: There are applicances like all-in-one DSL modem telephone splitter router DHCP server NAT firewall boxes that are very common in german households. Those usually use Java to present their control elements to the user; Applet

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 03:17:49 -0500, Joshua Isom jri...@gmail.com wrote: So to configure your router, you need a java enabled browser, and odds are you get the jar file from the router, so it has an http server, and probably another server just to process configuration requests? Now your

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Dave
On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells I can't

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-11 Thread Dave
On 10 Sep 2010 at 18:20, Jason C. Wells wrote: Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells I can't

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Vincent Hoffman
On 09/09/2010 22:02, Jules Gilbert wrote: About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Looks

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Jules Gilbert
Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a browser. I didn't even know that Google and Oracle weren't getting along, I really am out of

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Jerry
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 16:43:36 -0500 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com articulated: On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.comwrote: About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language Jules developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I Jules say this because it's becoming really hard to make Java run on a Jules browser. And

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Mark Sommer
On 9/10/10 7:46 AM, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Look, I'm just a user. I'm not a Java developer, not a language Jules developer, not a run-time specialist. But folks, we got problems! I Jules say this because

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Mark == Mark Sommer msom...@somware.com writes: Mark That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across Mark browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly. Mark Java is still a very viable platform,

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: Mark == Mark Sommer msom...@somware.com writes: Mark That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across Mark browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Eirik Øverby
On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Mark == Mark Sommer msom...@somware.com writes: Mark That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across Mark browsers, i.e.

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:48 AM, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Excepting donations != producing results. I will be happy to donate $100 US dollars to their fund once they distribute a fully up-to-date version of JAVA, not some reworked, deprecated version, that is fully compatible

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Craig Butler
On Fri, 2010-09-10 at 08:16 -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Randal L. Schwartz on Friday, 10 September 2010: Mark == Mark Sommer msom...@somware.com writes: Mark That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5. Mark I have yet to see a release of HTML that is

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread four . harrisons
- From: Eirik Øverby ltn...@anduin.net Subject:Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Date: 10th September 2010 16:20 On 10. sep. 2010, at 16:29, mer...@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: Mark == Mark Sommer msom...@somware.com

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Kurt Buff
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 06:46, Randal L. Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com wrote: Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Look, I'm just a user.  I'm not a Java developer, not a language Jules developer, not a run-time specialist.  But folks, we got problems!  I Jules say

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:16:51AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Perhaps someone could provide specific use cases for which Java is the only good solution? I guess the only answer to that is running applications someone wrote in Java -- but I know that's *not* what you meant. I don't have

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Jason C. Wells
On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Java is not just for browsers. Regards, Jason C. Wells ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-10 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Jason == Jason C Wells j...@speakeasy.net writes: Jason On 09/10/10 07:29, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I repeat... Java had its day. Time to move on. Jason Java is not just for browsers. Indeed. And I still stand by my statement. Java makes everyone equally incompetent, which is why

this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-09 Thread Jules Gilbert
About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Does this problem exist with Sun's x86 OS? Does anyone

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-09 Thread Adam Vande More
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.comwrote: About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-09 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Jules == Jules Gilbert jules.sto...@gmail.com writes: Jules Now an opinion. If Oracle isn't going to help us, we should look Jules around for an alternative, even inventing something else, something Jules that isn't Sun/Oracle/Java. You mean something that looks like Java but isn't Java?

Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...

2010-09-09 Thread Jason C. Wells
On 09/09/10 14:02, Jules Gilbert wrote: About Java. Using java with freebsd/mozilla or another browser. Some questions: Is GNU java sufficient? I need to be able to run a browser with Java. No alternative -- and no I don't want to run windoz. I'm trying to do an 8.1 install. Does this