Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-21 Thread Valentin Bud
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Wojciech Puchar 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on the
 directories and files
 so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months
 but
 after that
 at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.


 if it could work for 2 months and then refused - something must have been
 changed on the client software side.

No Mr. Puchar nothing changed on the client side.
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-21 Thread Manfred Usselmann
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:43:03 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open
  on the directories and files
  so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2
  months but after that
  at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba
  server.
 
 if it could work for 2 months and then refused - something must have
 been changed on the client software side.

Yes, something must have changed. Most likely the problem had nothing
to do with FreeBSD against Linux. I appears that the fresh setup fixed
it.

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-21 Thread Valentin Bud
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Manfred Usselmann 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:43:03 +0200 (CEST)
 Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open
   on the directories and files
   so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2
   months but after that
   at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba
   server.
 
  if it could work for 2 months and then refused - something must have
  been changed on the client software side.

 Yes, something must have changed. Most likely the problem had nothing
 to do with FreeBSD against Linux. I appears that the fresh setup fixed
 it.

 I have never said that it has something to do with  FBSB. And unfortunately
i didn't
had the time to debug it to find out the problem. I would like to know what
happened there.
The good thing is that a future client of my company works with the same
accounting software
and the server runs FBSD so if something goes wrong i'll have the time to
debug properly.

all the best,
v


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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar

if it could work for 2 months and then refused - something must have been
changed on the client software side.


No Mr. Puchar nothing changed on the client side.


so what changed on server side so it stopped working after 2 months?

in unix there are no magic things - things works or not.
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar

i didn't
had the time to debug it to find out the problem. I would like to know what
happened there.
The good thing is that a future client of my company works with the same
accounting software
and the server runs FBSD so if something goes wrong i'll have the time to
debug properly.


it may be some new problems with locking if you say about accounting 
software.


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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Frank Bonnet

Charles Mason wrote:

On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Wojciech Puchar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it
with FreeBSD
or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer
FreeBSD

do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make bad
decision
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If he's a good boss (as the poster seem to be implying) then he will
be asking because he hasn't made his mind up his mind completely, but
yeah don't get fired over it :)


From what I have seen, both are perfectly capable and since its samba

that will be doing most of the actual work its probably doesn't matter
that much. Of course the next question if he goes with Linux, is which
distro. Perhaps the question should be FreeBSD v Red Hat v Ubuntu v
SUSE v latest flavour of the month. Since keeping it patched is
essential, these sorts of admin features do matter.

I am not sure what File System you plan on using but FreeBSD does have
one killer feature Linux doesn't, ZFS. Linux thanks to licensing
issues doesn't really have a solid implementation yet (although there
have been attempts). If you need its features and can put a decent
amount of RAM in to the file server, to good be a good choice and
perhaps just the angle you are looking for.

To be honest I haven't used ZFS in serious production yet although I
have been running it at home on my DIY 1.25tb NAS without any issues
for nearly a year. Still if you have spent a lot an expensive RAID
system disabling it and using ZFS's superior (unless you really spent
a lot on that RAID hardware) redundancy may not go down to well.

Hope that's of some help.

Charlie M


Hello

Thanks for your answer, filesystem is not really my problem I'll
use a Netapp server for home directories.


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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Valentin Bud
hello list,
 a little story about samba and FreeBSD.
I had to make a file server for a company that uses a program for
accounting. that software works with lots of files to do the job.

the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on the
directories and files
so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months but
after that
at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.
 The files were there with the correct permissions but the software refused
to access them with
an error that they don't exist. I've tried to debug samba but couldn't find
a clue, i have updated
FreeBSD because i thought that the problem is with seekdir because the
software was usign lot of files
and directories. That didn't solve the problem either.
 I have searched the web for a guidance but couldn't find any. The
interesting part comes when
the company decided to change the OS to openSUSE. That did the trick. So
first
thing that comes in mind is that FreeBSD + samba + that accounting software
just don't work together.
I didn't had the chance to debug it as i should because they needed a fix
ASAP.

I have always used FreeBSD for web/file/VoIP server and never had a problem.
I even have a FBSD
box that server as a file server and there are lots of files and 10 depth
directories and it works like a charm.

I have no conclusions, is just a story of my own to help you make an
opinion.

all the best,
v

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Frank Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Charles Mason wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Wojciech Puchar
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it
 with FreeBSD
 or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer
 FreeBSD

 do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make bad
 decision
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 If he's a good boss (as the poster seem to be implying) then he will
 be asking because he hasn't made his mind up his mind completely, but
 yeah don't get fired over it :)

  From what I have seen, both are perfectly capable and since its samba

 that will be doing most of the actual work its probably doesn't matter
 that much. Of course the next question if he goes with Linux, is which
 distro. Perhaps the question should be FreeBSD v Red Hat v Ubuntu v
 SUSE v latest flavour of the month. Since keeping it patched is
 essential, these sorts of admin features do matter.

 I am not sure what File System you plan on using but FreeBSD does have
 one killer feature Linux doesn't, ZFS. Linux thanks to licensing
 issues doesn't really have a solid implementation yet (although there
 have been attempts). If you need its features and can put a decent
 amount of RAM in to the file server, to good be a good choice and
 perhaps just the angle you are looking for.

 To be honest I haven't used ZFS in serious production yet although I
 have been running it at home on my DIY 1.25tb NAS without any issues
 for nearly a year. Still if you have spent a lot an expensive RAID
 system disabling it and using ZFS's superior (unless you really spent
 a lot on that RAID hardware) redundancy may not go down to well.

 Hope that's of some help.

 Charlie M


 Hello

 Thanks for your answer, filesystem is not really my problem I'll
 use a Netapp server for home directories.



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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Valentin Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hello list,
  a little story about samba and FreeBSD.
 I had to make a file server for a company that uses a program for
 accounting. that software works with lots of files to do the job.

 the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on the
 directories and files
 so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months but
 after that
 at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.
  The files were there with the correct permissions but the software refused
 to access them with
 an error that they don't exist. I've tried to debug samba but couldn't find
 a clue, i have updated
 FreeBSD because i thought that the problem is with seekdir because the
 software was usign lot of files
 and directories. That didn't solve the problem either.
  I have searched the web for a guidance but couldn't find any. The
 interesting part comes when
 the company decided to change the OS to openSUSE. That did the trick. So
 first
 thing that comes in mind is that FreeBSD + samba + that accounting software
 just don't work together.
 I didn't had the chance to debug it as i should because they needed a fix
 ASAP.

 I have always used FreeBSD for web/file/VoIP server and never had a problem.
 I even have a FBSD
 box that server as a file server and there are lots of files and 10 depth
 directories and it works like a charm.

 I have no conclusions, is just a story of my own to help you make an
 opinion.


Are you using the same samba config file from FreeBSD on OpenSUSE?
Do you mind showing us that smb.conf

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list,

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Valentin Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  hello list,
   a little story about samba and FreeBSD.
  I had to make a file server for a company that uses a program for
  accounting. that software works with lots of files to do the job.
 
  the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on
 the
  directories and files
  so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months
 but
  after that
  at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.
   The files were there with the correct permissions but the software
 refused
  to access them with
  an error that they don't exist. I've tried to debug samba but couldn't
 find
  a clue, i have updated
  FreeBSD because i thought that the problem is with seekdir because the
  software was usign lot of files
  and directories. That didn't solve the problem either.
   I have searched the web for a guidance but couldn't find any. The
  interesting part comes when
  the company decided to change the OS to openSUSE. That did the trick. So
  first
  thing that comes in mind is that FreeBSD + samba + that accounting
 software
  just don't work together.
  I didn't had the chance to debug it as i should because they needed a fix
  ASAP.
 
  I have always used FreeBSD for web/file/VoIP server and never had a
 problem.
  I even have a FBSD
  box that server as a file server and there are lots of files and 10 depth
  directories and it works like a charm.
 
  I have no conclusions, is just a story of my own to help you make an
  opinion.
 

 Are you using the same samba config file from FreeBSD on OpenSUSE?
 Do you mind showing us that smb.conf.


Unfortunately i didn't configured the OpenSUSE server so i don't have access
to the box. AFAIK the configuration is the same. Standard samba config file
just
changing the netbios name and adding the shares. In the next few weeks i
will
be able to access the box and i will come back with the both setups. I
forgot to
mention that i used FBSD 6.2.

all the best,
v



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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar

the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on the
directories and files
so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months but
after that
at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.


if it could work for 2 months and then refused - something must have been 
changed on the client software side.

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-20 Thread Mikhail Goriachev

Valentin Bud wrote:

hello list,
 a little story about samba and FreeBSD.
I had to make a file server for a company that uses a program for
accounting. that software works with lots of files to do the job.

the software admin told me that the permissions should be very open on the
directories and files
so i made them 0777. the software worked like a charm for about 2 months but
after that
at some point the client couldn't access the files on the samba server.
 The files were there with the correct permissions but the software refused
to access them with
an error that they don't exist. I've tried to debug samba but couldn't find


[...]

Here's another story. Our accounting packages also dump their files, 
databases and settings onto network drives. This is what we tend to do:


1.- Create a dedicated network drive for every software package with its 
own letter. Let's say package XYZ gets letter Y:. All users connecting 
to Samba must load network drive for XYZ as Y:. Otherwise some client 
instances may complain that the database was installed on Y: but there's 
nothing because it is actually somewhere else.


2.- Create user xyz and group xyz. Then map the XYZ network drive as 
xyz:xyz. By this, we avoid permission problems.


3.- Whenever we call tech support, we tell them that our network drives 
are located on a Windows 2003 machine. This saves us unnecessary 
headaches and warranty issues.




We've been doing this for years and it works like a charm.



Regards,
Mikhail.

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-18 Thread Uwe Laverenz

Frank Bonnet schrieb:


I am on the way to setup a brand new Samba server with OpenLDAP backend

I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running 
it with FreeBSD

or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer FreeBSD
so good arguments are welcome ( my boss is a smart guy , if I give enough
litterature that says FreeBSD is better, he will be OK )


In the dark ages of FreeBSD 5.x ;) we've used Linux (Debian, RedHat) but 
nowadays I would certainly prefer FreeBSD again, because:


  - The software in the ports is close to what comes from upstream,
Linux-Distros often keep old versions or inhouse modifications
which can lead to disasters like e.g. the Debian OpenSSL bug or
unuseable LDAP-servers that are delivered with RedHat.

  - Linux-Distros are conservative in updating software versions or
fixing bugs in their so called stable releases. In most cases
(RedHat, Debian) the fixes are backported to older versions, in
other cases (Ubuntu) fixes may break your system or bugs are simply
ignored. If you need a newer version of a certain software, you will
very soon find yourself using backports from foreign repositories or
start rolling your own packages. But if you have to leave the
package management system of your distro anyway, why not use the
comfort of FreeBSD ports?

  - Once you are familiar with it, FreeBSD is easier to manage IMHO,
it's clean and mostly well documented.

  - FreeBSD has jails. :)



More seriously I'm also searching for eventuals benchmarks that compare
those two configurations.


I don't think that there are great performance differences nowadays.


bye,
Uwe
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it 
with FreeBSD

or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer FreeBSD


do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make bad 
decision

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Kirk Strauser
On Friday 17 October 2008 10:42:05 Wojciech Puchar wrote:

 do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make bad
 decision

This is off-topic, but I wholly disagree.  As a professional employee, it's my 
job to advise my boss on technological matters, and to persuade him to change 
course if I think he's making a bad decision.  I'm not paid to do data entry, 
but to know enough about my job to know what's best for my employer.

The final decision is his, but until he's made it, I'll do what I can to steer 
him.
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Charles Mason
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Wojciech Puchar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it
 with FreeBSD
 or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer
 FreeBSD

 do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make bad
 decision
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If he's a good boss (as the poster seem to be implying) then he will
be asking because he hasn't made his mind up his mind completely, but
yeah don't get fired over it :)

From what I have seen, both are perfectly capable and since its samba
that will be doing most of the actual work its probably doesn't matter
that much. Of course the next question if he goes with Linux, is which
distro. Perhaps the question should be FreeBSD v Red Hat v Ubuntu v
SUSE v latest flavour of the month. Since keeping it patched is
essential, these sorts of admin features do matter.

I am not sure what File System you plan on using but FreeBSD does have
one killer feature Linux doesn't, ZFS. Linux thanks to licensing
issues doesn't really have a solid implementation yet (although there
have been attempts). If you need its features and can put a decent
amount of RAM in to the file server, to good be a good choice and
perhaps just the angle you are looking for.

To be honest I haven't used ZFS in serious production yet although I
have been running it at home on my DIY 1.25tb NAS without any issues
for nearly a year. Still if you have spent a lot an expensive RAID
system disabling it and using ZFS's superior (unless you really spent
a lot on that RAID hardware) redundancy may not go down to well.

Hope that's of some help.

Charlie M
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 04:34:00PM +0200, Frank Bonnet wrote:
 Hello
 
 I am on the way to setup a brand new Samba server with OpenLDAP backend
 
 I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it 
 with FreeBSD
 or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer FreeBSD
 so good arguments are welcome ( my boss is a smart guy , if I give enough
 litterature that says FreeBSD is better, he will be OK )
 
 More seriously I'm also searching for eventuals benchmarks that compare
 those two configurations.

Linux-based systems and FreeBSD systems should support Samba roughly
identically well.  I seem to recall seeing some benchmarks for FreeBSD
network server operations under heavy load just crushing comparative
Linux-based servers, but I don't recall where.

Anyway, if you can find benchmarks to that effect, or at least benchmarks
that don't show Linux substantially beating FreeBSD, you should be
covered.  Add in some stuff about how FreeBSD is better (for your
purposes, at least) in general, regardless of the specific Samba stuff,
and you should have a win.

FreeBSD support for Samba is, in my limited experience (haven't used
Samba much in the last four years), excellent.  So is Samba support on,
for instance, Debian.  I believe you'll have to look outside of Samba
support for reasons to pick one over the other.

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 05:13:45PM +0100, Charles Mason wrote:
 From what I have seen, both are perfectly capable and since its samba
 that will be doing most of the actual work its probably doesn't matter
 that much. Of course the next question if he goes with Linux, is which
 distro. Perhaps the question should be FreeBSD v Red Hat v Ubuntu v
 SUSE v latest flavour of the month. Since keeping it patched is
 essential, these sorts of admin features do matter.

And did this bug ever get addressed?  If so, when/what commit?

http://www.vnode.ch/fixing_seekdir

The workaround is very, very painful when it comes to directories which
have many files.  That workaround is to disable the name cache entirely
in Samba:

  directory name cache size = 0

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Mel
On Friday 17 October 2008 18:55:19 Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
 On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 05:13:45PM +0100, Charles Mason wrote:
  From what I have seen, both are perfectly capable and since its samba
  that will be doing most of the actual work its probably doesn't matter
  that much. Of course the next question if he goes with Linux, is which
  distro. Perhaps the question should be FreeBSD v Red Hat v Ubuntu v
  SUSE v latest flavour of the month. Since keeping it patched is
  essential, these sorts of admin features do matter.

 And did this bug ever get addressed?  If so, when/what commit?

 http://www.vnode.ch/fixing_seekdir

lib/libc/gen/readdir.c

revision 1.15
date: 2008/05/05 14:05:23;  author: kib;  state: Exp;  lines: +7 -6
Do not read away the target directory entry when encountering deleted
files after a seekdir().

The seekdir shall set the position for the next readdir operation.
When the _readdir_unlocked() encounters deleted entry, dd_loc is
already advanced. Continuing the loop leads to premature read of
the target entry.

Submitted by:   Marc Balmer mbalmer at openbsd org
Obtained from:  OpenBSD
MFC after:  2 weeks


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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar

decision


This is off-topic, but I wholly disagree.  As a professional employee, it's my
job to advise my boss on technological matters,


yes - advise
no - persuade!
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar

If he's a good boss (as the poster seem to be implying) then he will
be asking because he hasn't made his mind up his mind completely, but
yeah don't get fired over it :)


in most cases and with system doing ONLY samba, both linux and freebsd 
will work fine.


so his boss is not smart for sure persuading his employer linux (or 
whatever), instead of just saying make it work fine, whatever you do

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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Jos Chrispijn


Uit een eerder bericht (17-10-2008 17:42):
do what your boss wants. it's his company, and it's his right to make 
bad decision
A boss hires someone that knows what he/she is talking about and relies 
on his/her vision. To get informed this person might get his/her 
information before he/she decides what the best solution might be; I do 
hope he/she doesn't take any notice on your stupid reply.


Jos Chrispijn
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
A boss hires someone that knows what he/she is talking about and relies on 
his/her vision.

so - he/she should not persuade what OS will be, just WHAT should be done.

To get informed this person might get his/her information 
before he/she decides what the best solution might be; I do hope he/she 
doesn't take any notice on your stupid reply.


what reply is stupid
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Re: Installing Samba : FreeBSD Vs Linux ?

2008-10-17 Thread Gautham Ganapathy
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Frank Bonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello

 I am on the way to setup a brand new Samba server with OpenLDAP backend

 I am very interrested by feedback of real world samba admins running it
 with FreeBSD
 or Linux , my boss push hardly to use Linux but I would much prefer FreeBSD
 so good arguments are welcome ( my boss is a smart guy , if I give enough
 litterature that says FreeBSD is better, he will be OK )

 More seriously I'm also searching for eventuals benchmarks that compare
 those two configurations.

 Thanks a lot.


Hi

This is probably not a reliable or objective comparison, but I get much
better performance at home b/w a fbsd7/windows vista client and a fbsd6.2
server (freenas) over a 11g wireless network than in the office b/w a
windows xp client and an ubuntu 8.04 server over a 100 Mbps ethernet network
(even if I am the only person using the server). my server at home runs on
an assembled 1.8 GHz athlon xp system with 512 MB RAM. The one in the office
is a Wipro NetPower server with a 3 GHz Pentium 4 and 2 GB RAM. both servers
run the default samba versions they came with, and both clients are kept
upto date

it could possibly be a problem with the default ubuntu server configuration,
but i have not checked it out yet

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Gautham Ganapathy
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