Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-10 Thread Zane C. B-H.
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:47:06 -0800
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:

  
 
 
   Rats:: xvidtune gave me 
 
   Video modes are not settable on this chip.
 
   how cheap can you get? no, the question is: what chip/video
 card do I need that will get me [at least]  1920x1280?

Unless you wish to get the the KMS stuff working like Warren Block
suggested, I strongly advise getting a Nvidia card as of
currently that is the easiest and most reliable way to get good 3D
under FreeBSD.
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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-10 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 07:05:50AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
 On 10/12/2012 00:31, Gary Kline wrote:
  On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 08:38:06AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
   On 09/12/2012 00:23, Gary Kline wrote:
 
  one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
  Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
  something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
  1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
  videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and 
giving 
  it to the video?
 
   Do you have a DVI connector on your current graphics card, or just the
   old style VGA connector?  Pretty much all modern widescreen monitors
   will have a DVI connector as well as the legacy VGA.
 
  actually, I have both.  the KVM dates from 2010 and came with
  four cables and eight plugs.  
 
 Ahah!  You're using a KVM switch.  That can block the monitor from
 sending its configuration information to the X server.  It's easy to
 tell: just try connecting directly to the monitor temporarily.
 
 If that works, you can use xrandr to extract the monitor details, write
 a mode line for your xorg.conf and put the KVM back in the loop, while
 keeping the optimum configuration.
 
   Cheers,
 
   Matthew


the thing is that I had this working before--twice--one running
Gnnome, once KDE and both thru theKVM switch.  the last time I
re-reinstalled from a DVD [gnome], the kde from a CD: nojoy.

gary
 
 PS I managed to get both ssh's [bi-directionally] within a few
 hours.  ive run every diagnostic I can think of.

 
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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-10 Thread Gary Kline
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 02:26:43AM -0600, Zane C. B-H. wrote:
 On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 15:47:06 -0800
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
 
   
  
  
  Rats:: xvidtune gave me 
  
  Video modes are not settable on this chip.
  
  how cheap can you get? no, the question is: what chip/video
  card do I need that will get me [at least]  1920x1280?
 
 Unless you wish to get the the KMS stuff working like Warren Block
 suggested, I strongly advise getting a Nvidia card as of
 currently that is the easiest and most reliable way to get good 3D
 under FreeBSD.
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thanks; I will check into this!  ... .

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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 09/12/2012 00:23, Gary Kline wrote:

   one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
   Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
   something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
   1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
   videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and giving 
   it to the video?

Do you have a DVI connector on your current graphics card, or just the
old style VGA connector?  Pretty much all modern widescreen monitors
will have a DVI connector as well as the legacy VGA.

If you don't know what those are, see this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DVI_Connector_Types.svg

Most DVI monitor cables have a DVI-D dual link plug on them, but
anything matching those patterns is proof positive of DVI.

VGA connectors looks like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vga-cable.jpg

Anyhow, the point is if you're using a DVI connector, X will be able to
query the monitor and find out its preferred resolution etc.
automatically.  Whereas with a VGA connector, it will default to using
one of the standard VGA series of resolutions.  All monitors will
support some sort of VGA resolution for backwards compatibility --
typically 1024x768@60Hz -- and many will support higher, but all of the
VGA series resolutions are 4:3 aspect ratio which doesn't look very nice
on a widescreen monitor.

There's two ways to fix the problem.

  1) Get a video card with a DVI connector, or at least a DVI-to-DVI
 monitor cable if your card already has that.  Apart from the
 hassle of getting a new video card that will work happily with X,
 this should be pretty painfree.

  2) Edit your Xorg.conf to add a custom mode that matches what your
 monitor expects.  Back in the days of CRTs this was a potentially
 risky thing to do, as configuring the video mode wrongly could
 phsically damage your monitor.  Modern flatscreens however will
 just put up a message saying the input is incompatible.

Working out what the right parameters are to put in the mode definition
is the tricky bit.  You may be able to use xrandr to pull them out (but
if xrandr could do it, then X would do it automatically too...) There
should be documentation that comes with the monitor, or you may find a
kind soul online with the same make and model of monitor who will send
you some xrandr output.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Warren Block

On Sun, 9 Dec 2012, Matthew Seaman wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DVI_Connector_Types.svg

Most DVI monitor cables have a DVI-D dual link plug on them, but
anything matching those patterns is proof positive of DVI.

VGA connectors looks like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vga-cable.jpg

Anyhow, the point is if you're using a DVI connector, X will be able to
query the monitor and find out its preferred resolution etc.
automatically.  Whereas with a VGA connector, it will default to using
one of the standard VGA series of resolutions.


Actually, DDC works on VGA connectors also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel

These limited resolutions are almost certainly due to the KMS Intel 
driver being needed but the system not being built to support it.  So 
the vesa driver is loaded instead, offering only a few legacy 
resolutions.

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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 05:24:27AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 16:23:31 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
  
  
  
  one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
  Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
  something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
  1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
  videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and giving 
  it to the video?
 
 There are two factors involved:
 
 The question of video memory is usually selectable in the
 CMOS setup of the BIOS. Defaults will allocate several (and
 sufficient) MB for common resolutions. However, this is a
 usually automated process that does not involve user action.
 It should just work(TM)(R)(C). :-)


Holy Crud =no=.  the 3010 has that screwy bootloader 
UEIF [?] that took me 79 years to get past that.  the box 
just-boot.  but not into widescreen.

actually, I have two optiplix models; the older is
a Dell dual and works at widescreen.  I dont know why
or how.


 The question of the support for the current display is handled
 by the GPU driver (usually brought by X itself or an additional
 package, like for nVidia drivers). You can easily obtain what
 resolution your display _natively_ has (in case it's a LCD,
 which I assume), and the driver should automatically initialize
 the display for _that_ display size (because physically, there
 is only that one, in contrast to CRTs that can support different
 display characteristics).


you lost me.  how can I easily obtain the resolution?
FWIW:: im using my KDE switch ... 

   ssh works going out; I get no route to host going
   back from this dell dual to tao my new quad.  I have 
   been trying for around three hours to get ssh working
   bidirectionally.  nutshell, there is no way I can get
   Perry's or your xorg.con file onto tao wwithout a 
   shit*oad of typing.  censored


 In case it does _not_ work automatically, you can always setup
 things using xorg.conf (which you normally do _not_ need). For
 example,
 
   Section Screen
   Identifier  Screen0
   Device  Card0
   Monitor Monitor0
   DefaultDepth24
   SubSection Display
   Viewport0 0
   Depth   24
   Visual  TrueColor
   Modes   1920x1280
   EndSubSection
   EndSection
 
 would require 1920x1280 to be initialized regardless of what
 the integrated magician might think.
 
 
 
 For dynamic testing, you can use the xrandr command. Issue those
 commands from an X terminal:
 
   xrandr --fb 1920x1280
   xrandr --size 1920x1280


HMMM.  I Just buttoned over: the --size says that the 
1920x1280 isnt found in the modes.

I'll use locate and see where the heck that configuration file is.

...WEll, the xorg.conf is only three lines long.  it's in the 
usual place, /etc/X11 .  and there are a bunch of related files
in /usr/share/X11/* without a Mode line anywhere.



 You can use xvidtune (usually _not_ used for LCDs, only for CRTs
 and tuning) to verify.
 
 In worst case, put those two commands in your X initialization
 file (usually ~/.xinitrc, sometimes ~/.xsession, if not cascaded).
 It's a dirty hack, but it should work. :-)
 


everything in my to-be desktop is standard.  so is KDE and 
Gnome.  I'll see in xvidtune is there.

thanks for the help.

gary

 
 
 
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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 07:21:17PM -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
 Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
 
  one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
  Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
  something like 1280x1014 ...
 
 Probably 1280x1024 -- a common size before widescreen.
 The largest commonly seen back then was 1600x1200.
 
  ... whereas my widescreen Dell needs 1920x1280 or close to that.
 
 Probably 1920x1200.


see enclose snapshot.  I was right.   nonetheless, howi get that 
here on my old deall dual and do not on my dell quad is the 
mystery.

 
  do I need to go out and find a videocard?  or is there a way of
  taking my 6GB of RAM and giving it to the video?
 
 Dunno about currently-supported versions, nor your particular
 display hardware, but 1920x1200 works for me on an ancient Dell
 Optiplex GX1 with ATI Mach64 under 6.1.  Maybe something in the
 (attached) conf and/or log will help.


I'll check, thanks.  I had linux as my desktop --and the
worst of the bunch, IMO, fedora.  have to use locate to
find the Xorg stuff.  

/*

   I wonder if the 1900 line isn't there and commented ...
   hmm.

 */


 Section ServerLayout
   Identifier X.org Configured
   Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
   InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
   InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
 EndSection
 
 Section Files
   RgbPath  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
   ModulePath   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
   FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
 EndSection
 
 Section Module
   Load  dbe
   Load  dri
   Load  extmod
   Load  glx
   Load  record
   Load  xtrap
   Load  freetype
   Load  type1
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
   Identifier  Keyboard0
   Driver  kbd
 EndSection
 
 Section InputDevice
   Identifier  Mouse0
   Driver  mouse
   Option  Protocol auto
   Option  Device /dev/psm0
   Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
 EndSection
 
 Section Monitor
   #DisplaySize  520   320 # mm
   Identifier   Monitor0
   VendorName   IQT
   ModelNameHDIT24W DSUB
  ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
   HorizSync31.0 - 83.0
   VertRefresh  59.0 - 76.0
 # Modelines that actually worked on the BTC LM-1702, for reference.  The 
 first is known
 # to also work on the IQT (Hyundai) HDIT24W, but it is stretched in the X 
 dimension.
 # Modeline 1280x1024  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1024x76865.00  1024 1048 1184 1344   768  771  777  806 
 -hsync -vsync
 # Modeline  800x60040.00   800  840  968 1056   600  601  605  628 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline  640x48025.20   640  656  752  800   480  490  492  525 
 -hsync -vsync
 
 # Modeline reported as working (via DVI) on a 24 Eizo FlexScan:
 # Modeline 1920x1200  162.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 
 +HSync -Vsync
 
 # Modelines implied by Xorg.0.log, but not reported by autoconf, for
 # the HDIT24W (aka IQT 9001, IQT = ImageQuest, www.imagequest.co.kr)
 #+W = wider aspect ratio than (HDIT24W native) 1920x1200
 
   Modeline 1920x1200  154.128 1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 
 +hsync +vsync
 #+W   Modeline 1920x1080  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125
 
 # Widescreen resolutions claimed as supported in Xorg.0.log, but no details 
 given:
 # Modeline 1680x1050
 # Modeline 1440x900
 #+W   Modeline 720x400
 
 # Other widescreen resolutions of the same aspect ratio as 1920x1200:
 # Modeline 1600x1000
 # Modeline 1280x800
 # Modeline 1229x768
 # Modeline 960x600
 # Modeline 720x450
 # Modeline 640x400
 
 # Modelines reported by autoconf for the HDIT24W -- these are not widescreen:
 # Modeline 1792x1344  204.80  1792 1920 2120 2448  1344 1345 1348 1394 
 -hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1600x1200  175.50  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1600x1200  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1400x1050  155.80  1400 1464 1784 1912  1050 1052 1064 1090 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1400x1050  122.00  1400 1488 1640 1880  1050 1052 1064 1082 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1280x1024  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1280x1024  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1280x960  108.00  1280 1376 1488 1800  960 961 964 1000 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1152x864  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 
 +hsync +vsync
 # Modeline 1024x768   

Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 08:38:06AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
 On 09/12/2012 00:23, Gary Kline wrote:
 
  one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
  Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
  something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
  1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
  videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and giving 
  it to the video?
 
 Do you have a DVI connector on your current graphics card, or just the
 old style VGA connector?  Pretty much all modern widescreen monitors
 will have a DVI connector as well as the legacy VGA.

actually, I have both.  the KVM dates from 2010 and came with
four cables and eight plugs.  

 If you don't know what those are, see this page:
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DVI_Connector_Types.svg
 
 Most DVI monitor cables have a DVI-D dual link plug on them, but
 anything matching those patterns is proof positive of DVI.
 
 VGA connectors looks like this:
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vga-cable.jpg
 
 Anyhow, the point is if you're using a DVI connector, X will be able to
 query the monitor and find out its preferred resolution etc.
 automatically.  Whereas with a VGA connector, it will default to using
 one of the standard VGA series of resolutions.  All monitors will
 support some sort of VGA resolution for backwards compatibility --
 typically 1024x768@60Hz -- and many will support higher, but all of the
 VGA series resolutions are 4:3 aspect ratio which doesn't look very nice
 on a widescreen monitor.
 
 There's two ways to fix the problem.
 
   1) Get a video card with a DVI connector, or at least a DVI-to-DVI
  monitor cable if your card already has that.  Apart from the
  hassle of getting a new video card that will work happily with X,
  this should be pretty painfree.
 
   2) Edit your Xorg.conf to add a custom mode that matches what your
  monitor expects.  Back in the days of CRTs this was a potentially
  risky thing to do, as configuring the video mode wrongly could
  phsically damage your monitor.  Modern flatscreens however will
  just put up a message saying the input is incompatible.
 
 Working out what the right parameters are to put in the mode definition
 is the tricky bit.  You may be able to use xrandr to pull them out (but
 if xrandr could do it, then X would do it automatically too...) There
 should be documentation that comes with the monitor, or you may find a
 kind soul online with the same make and model of monitor who will send
 you some xrandr output.


here's the Whole story.  last summer I dedided to switch to 
all linux`in order to make upgrades simple[r].  since my brother
engineer [a retired ME] was too ill to help i hired a technician.

my old-tao (a homebrew AMD quad-CPU) had a broken USB. 
this was how I realized that the USB was broken.  with a new KVM
the home-brew still failed.  I could ssh to- from, but not
watch it boot.

So
I finally
decided it was time to buys another Dell, new.  somebody gave me
a used Dell dual.  my server is  a new dual from '09.  used and 
refurb'd and home-brew is not the optimal way.  so my tech said 
he would look for the best Dell quad he could find, and after 6
weeeks he brought over the 3010.  [fact: this chap is self-taught.
but he got me a new kvm and blindly pluged things together.]]

whether the 3010 has ye-olden VGA jack =plus= the DVI, I dont 
know.  my guess is that the technician knows the diff.  nutshell,
looks like whatever ghaphic chipset the computer had maxes out
a 5:4 screen-size ratio.  I =will= try adding the mode line info.

thanks,

gary



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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:00:17 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:08:38AM +, james wrote:
  Are you sure you mean 1920x1280???
  
  I mean:  1280*800, or 1920*1200, those are more normal.  (My older
  portables have the former, my Dell 24 has the latter)
  
  I can believe 1920x1280 might cause problems.
  
  
 
   I sent a screen shot, snapshot7.png.
 
   ill resend with this mail.

Both the content and the dimensions of the screenshot say
it's 1920x1080. If the phsyical display has a different
size (measured in pixels), it should communicate that fact
to X, and as long as X loads the proper driver (maybe the
Intel GPU driver? - has to match what's installed on your
mainboard or in your machine!) the correct screen size should
be initialized, at least _for_ X. Note that problems might
occur _prior_ to X due to KMS (kernel mode switching) which
can happen to have less good support.

Also from the content of the screenshot, it's visible that
the display is connected via VGA. That's sub-optimum. If
possible, connect per DVI cable, so it stays all digital
all the time. Even though both VGA and DVI have a data
channel to transmit data (like monitor pixel size) to the
GPU, DVI seems to be the preferred solution for flatpanels,
especially wide ones.

1920x1080 is already widescreen. Does it match the size
description of the physical monitor, or should it be
something different?




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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-09 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 10/12/2012 00:31, Gary Kline wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 09, 2012 at 08:38:06AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote:
  On 09/12/2012 00:23, Gary Kline wrote:

   one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
   Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
   something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
   1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
   videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and 
   giving 
   it to the video?

  Do you have a DVI connector on your current graphics card, or just the
  old style VGA connector?  Pretty much all modern widescreen monitors
  will have a DVI connector as well as the legacy VGA.

   actually, I have both.  the KVM dates from 2010 and came with
   four cables and eight plugs.  

Ahah!  You're using a KVM switch.  That can block the monitor from
sending its configuration information to the X server.  It's easy to
tell: just try connecting directly to the monitor temporarily.

If that works, you can use xrandr to extract the monitor details, write
a mode line for your xorg.conf and put the KVM back in the loop, while
keeping the optimum configuration.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-08 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 16:23:31 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
 
 
 
   one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
   Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
   something like 1280x1014 whereas my widescreen Dell needs
   1920x1280 or close to that.  do I need to go out and find a
   videocard?  or is there a way of taking my 6GB of RAM and giving 
   it to the video?

There are two factors involved:

The question of video memory is usually selectable in the
CMOS setup of the BIOS. Defaults will allocate several (and
sufficient) MB for common resolutions. However, this is a
usually automated process that does not involve user action.
It should just work(TM)(R)(C). :-)

The question of the support for the current display is handled
by the GPU driver (usually brought by X itself or an additional
package, like for nVidia drivers). You can easily obtain what
resolution your display _natively_ has (in case it's a LCD,
which I assume), and the driver should automatically initialize
the display for _that_ display size (because physically, there
is only that one, in contrast to CRTs that can support different
display characteristics).

In case it does _not_ work automatically, you can always setup
things using xorg.conf (which you normally do _not_ need). For
example,

Section Screen
Identifier  Screen0
Device  Card0
Monitor Monitor0
DefaultDepth24
SubSection Display
Viewport0 0
Depth   24
Visual  TrueColor
Modes   1920x1280
EndSubSection
EndSection

would require 1920x1280 to be initialized regardless of what
the integrated magician might think.



For dynamic testing, you can use the xrandr command. Issue those
commands from an X terminal:

xrandr --fb 1920x1280
xrandr --size 1920x1280

You can use xvidtune (usually _not_ used for LCDs, only for CRTs
and tuning) to verify.

In worst case, put those two commands in your X initialization
file (usually ~/.xinitrc, sometimes ~/.xsession, if not cascaded).
It's a dirty hack, but it should work. :-)




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Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-08 Thread perryh
Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:

 one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my 
 Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
 something like 1280x1014 ...

Probably 1280x1024 -- a common size before widescreen.
The largest commonly seen back then was 1600x1200.

 ... whereas my widescreen Dell needs 1920x1280 or close to that.

Probably 1920x1200.

 do I need to go out and find a videocard?  or is there a way of
 taking my 6GB of RAM and giving it to the video?

Dunno about currently-supported versions, nor your particular
display hardware, but 1920x1200 works for me on an ancient Dell
Optiplex GX1 with ATI Mach64 under 6.1.  Maybe something in the
(attached) conf and/or log will help.
Section ServerLayout
Identifier X.org Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files
RgbPath  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
ModulePath   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TTF/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
EndSection

Section Module
Load  dbe
Load  dri
Load  extmod
Load  glx
Load  record
Load  xtrap
Load  freetype
Load  type1
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  kbd
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/psm0
Option  ZAxisMapping 4 5 6 7
EndSection

Section Monitor
#DisplaySize  520   320 # mm
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   IQT
ModelNameHDIT24W DSUB
 ### Comment all HorizSync and VertSync values to use DDC:
HorizSync31.0 - 83.0
VertRefresh  59.0 - 76.0
# Modelines that actually worked on the BTC LM-1702, for reference.  The first 
is known
# to also work on the IQT (Hyundai) HDIT24W, but it is stretched in the X 
dimension.
#   Modeline 1280x1024  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1024x76865.00  1024 1048 1184 1344   768  771  777  806 
-hsync -vsync
#   Modeline  800x60040.00   800  840  968 1056   600  601  605  628 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline  640x48025.20   640  656  752  800   480  490  492  525 
-hsync -vsync

# Modeline reported as working (via DVI) on a 24 Eizo FlexScan:
#   Modeline 1920x1200  162.00  1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 
+HSync -Vsync

# Modelines implied by Xorg.0.log, but not reported by autoconf, for
# the HDIT24W (aka IQT 9001, IQT = ImageQuest, www.imagequest.co.kr)
#+W = wider aspect ratio than (HDIT24W native) 1920x1200

Modeline 1920x1200  154.128 1920 1968 2000 2080  1200 1203 1209 1235 
+hsync +vsync
#+W Modeline 1920x1080  148.50  1920 2008 2052 2200  1080 1084 1089 1125

# Widescreen resolutions claimed as supported in Xorg.0.log, but no details 
given:
#   Modeline 1680x1050
#   Modeline 1440x900
#+W Modeline 720x400

# Other widescreen resolutions of the same aspect ratio as 1920x1200:
#   Modeline 1600x1000
#   Modeline 1280x800
#   Modeline 1229x768
#   Modeline 960x600
#   Modeline 720x450
#   Modeline 640x400

# Modelines reported by autoconf for the HDIT24W -- these are not widescreen:
#   Modeline 1792x1344  204.80  1792 1920 2120 2448  1344 1345 1348 1394 
-hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1600x1200  175.50  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1600x1200  162.00  1600 1664 1856 2160  1200 1201 1204 1250 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1400x1050  155.80  1400 1464 1784 1912  1050 1052 1064 1090 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1400x1050  122.00  1400 1488 1640 1880  1050 1052 1064 1082 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1280x1024  135.00  1280 1296 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1280x1024  108.00  1280 1328 1440 1688  1024 1025 1028 1066 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1280x960  108.00  1280 1376 1488 1800  960 961 964 1000 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1152x864  108.00  1152 1216 1344 1600  864 865 868 900 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1024x768   78.80  1024 1040 1136 1312  768 769 772 800 
+hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 1024x768   75.00  1024 1048 1184 1328  768 771 777 806 
-hsync -vsync
#   Modeline 1024x768   65.00  1024 1048 1184 1344  768 771 777 806 
-hsync -vsync
#   Modeline 896x672  102.40  896 960 1060 1224  672 672 674 697 
doublescan -hsync +vsync
#   Modeline 832x624   57.28  832 864 928 1152  624 625 628 667 -hsync 
-vsync
#   Modeline 800x600   49.50  800 816 896 1056  600 601 604 625 +hsync 
+vsync
#   Modeline 

Re: question about my new Dell 3010

2012-12-08 Thread Warren Block

On Sat, 8 Dec 2012, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:


Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:


one of the remaining problems --hopefuully the Last-- with my
Dell 3010 quad i5 is that the resolution stops at 5:4.  it's
something like 1280x1014 ...


Probably 1280x1024 -- a common size before widescreen.
The largest commonly seen back then was 1600x1200.


... whereas my widescreen Dell needs 1920x1280 or close to that.


Probably 1920x1200.


do I need to go out and find a videocard?  or is there a way of
taking my 6GB of RAM and giving it to the video?


Dunno about currently-supported versions, nor your particular
display hardware, but 1920x1200 works for me on an ancient Dell
Optiplex GX1 with ATI Mach64 under 6.1.  Maybe something in the
(attached) conf and/or log will help.


Core i5 has new Intel graphics, which needs 9.1 or 9-stable for the KMS 
support, a couple of entries in make.conf, and the newer xorg.


http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=187947postcount=3

If you don't do that, xorg will use the vesa driver, which supports only 
a few common resolutions, usually not widescreen ones.

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