Re: Put /usr on a different drive

2007-01-14 Thread Daniel A.
On 1/14/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 12:08:13AM +0100, Daniel A. wrote: Hi, I'm wondering if someone could point me in the right direction of moving the entire /usr partition to a second hard disk, given that I am on an existing (newly installed)

Re: question on smtp AUTH

2007-01-14 Thread Matthew Seaman
David Banning wrote: That would seem to suggest that the spam is being sent using an authorized account, however, is it possible that a host inside your network is sending the spam? Thanks for that test Paul. I do believe that it could have been a virus infected windows box. I am not

let somebody watch my actions over the network

2007-01-14 Thread Dino Vliet
Hi peeps, I have this question about administering a freebsd box through ssh. I am helping a friend of mine configuring his freebsd 6.1 system. But he lives in anothe rpart of the town so we are working through ssh. But because he wants to learn by looking over my shoulder at the things I do, he

Re: let somebody watch my actions over the network

2007-01-14 Thread kbtrace
Maybe watch(8) will help you, and lastcomm(1) is also helpful. Dino Vliet 写道: Hi peeps, I have this question about administering a freebsd box through ssh. I am helping a friend of mine configuring his freebsd 6.1 system. But he lives in anothe rpart of the town so we are working through ssh.

Re: automake19: texinfo error during build

2007-01-14 Thread Mahmoud Labadi
what I can do?? /Regards/ ~~~ *Eng. Mahmoud AL-Labadi* /Network Department Palnet Communications Ltd. Hadara Technologies http://www.palnet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] //Tel.02/2403434. Fax.02/2403430/ ~~~ Giorgos Keramidas

Re: let somebody watch my actions over the network

2007-01-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 kbtrace wrote: Maybe watch(8) will help you, and lastcomm(1) is also helpful. Dino Vliet 写道: Hi peeps, I have this question about administering a freebsd box through ssh. I am helping a friend of mine configuring his freebsd 6.1 system. But

problem mounting digital camera

2007-01-14 Thread andy
I am having a problem mounting my digital camera, it is a Nikon Coolpix 7600. It shows up in dmesg: ugen0: NIKON NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 and from usbdevs: addr 2: NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, NIKON not getting anything about umass or da0. I have the following lines in

Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Grant Peel
Hi all, Try not to laugh too hard here I have several servers, each with hundreds of IPs on them. I am attempting to write a php script that will connect to each ip and identify the 'hostname' as set in rc.conf. I have been looking at icmp, env etc, and can't find a method. I was also

Re: problem mounting digital camera

2007-01-14 Thread Maxim
On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a problem mounting my digital camera, it is a Nikon Coolpix 7600. It shows up in dmesg: ugen0: NIKON NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 and from usbdevs: addr 2: NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, NIKON not getting

Re: Please Help! How to STOP them...

2007-01-14 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:53:04 -0800 Jay Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, please, PLEASE RTFM. If that's too much to ask, try taking a class, hiring a consultant, or using a more user-friendly OS. I have been a user of FreeBSD for 8 years and it is very friendly to me...not sure

Re: problem mounting digital camera

2007-01-14 Thread Nikolay Denev
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having a problem mounting my digital camera, it is a Nikon Coolpix 7600. It shows up in dmesg: ugen0: NIKON NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 and from usbdevs: addr 2: NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, NIKON not getting anything about umass or da0. I have

Re: problem mounting digital camera

2007-01-14 Thread Sergey Zaharchenko
Hello Andy! Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 07:07:18AM -0500 you wrote: I am having a problem mounting my digital camera, it is a Nikon Coolpix 7600. It shows up in dmesg: ugen0: NIKON NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 I too have a Coolpix here, it's 5900 but yours should be similar. Enter

Re: let somebody watch my actions over the network

2007-01-14 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
kbtrace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe watch(8) will help you, and lastcomm(1) is also helpful. alternatively, start script(1) and make sure the other user can read the file, using tail -f or somesuch. That's also a quite convenient way to create a record of just what happened so you can see

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 1/14/07, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Hello, The only reply I need from the server is the hostname. That will tell ne that the IP is live and what machine its on. Wouldn't a ping be enough if you just need to know whether the machine is on? -Grant -- Pietro Cerutti

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Grant Peel
ACtually no, Sory if the question was vauge, What I am looking to do is to create a tool that will identify what MACHINE (not domain) an ip is being used on. -Grant - Original Message - From: Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc:

MSI K8N-SLI ( Nforce 4 ) + Musicpd warnings

2007-01-14 Thread Frank Staals
Since not so long I have a MSI K8N-SLI mainbord, I updated to 6.2-PRERELEASE so I could use the nfe driver for the onboard NIC. Now there is only one thing left which bothers me. I am using musicpd to play my music, allthough every time I give a command either by commanline through mpc or

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread kbtrace
What is the configuration of your computer and network? Maybe you could try nbtscan, but there is also a lot of things to do with the result of nbtscan. ACtually no, Sory if the question was vauge, What I am looking to do is to create a tool that will identify what MACHINE (not domain) an

Re: Please Help! How to STOP them...

2007-01-14 Thread Erik Norgaard
VeeJay wrote: I am reading many hundred lines similar to below mentioned? Could you please advise me what to do and how can I make my box more secure? Jan 9 17:54:42 localhost sshd[5130]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for bbs-83-179.189.218.on-nets.com [218.189.179.83] failed -

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 1/14/07, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACtually no, Sory if the question was vauge, What I am looking to do is to create a tool that will identify what MACHINE (not domain) an ip is being used on. Check out this: #include netinet/in.h #include sys/types.h #include sys/socket.h

Newbie attempting to install Flamenco (open source, python-based, faceted interface)

2007-01-14 Thread Brett Bonfield
Hi, I am a library student at Drexel University in Philadelphia, PA. My goal is to aggregate information about the Library and Information Science profession (e.g. conferences, mailing lists, blogs, professional associations, accredited LIS schools, scholarships, etc.). Ironically, no one else

How to burn IFO, VOB... files to make a playable DVD

2007-01-14 Thread Carl J
Hi! I ripped the ifo, vob... files from a DVD. But I don't know what programs to use to burn them to a DVD-R so that the resulting disc would be playable on an external player (assuming the external player accepts DVD-R) It seems growisofs only takes files or whole-disc-image. And cdrecord and

BIND9 Syntax?

2007-01-14 Thread Nate Peck
Dear All, I've been having trouble with BIND(version 9.3.2-P1), and I'm not sure where the problem is. When I try to use nslookup, it spits out: server 127.0.0.1 Default server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 blue.home.lan Server: 127.0.0.1 Address:127.0.0.1#53 ** server

Re: problem mounting digital camera

2007-01-14 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : I am having a problem mounting my digital camera, it is a Nikon Coolpix : 7600. It shows up in dmesg: : ugen0: NIKON NIKON DSC E7600-PTP, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 : : and from usbdevs: : addr 2: NIKON DSC E7600-PTP,

Re: BIND9 Syntax?

2007-01-14 Thread Reko Turja
- Original Message - From: Nate Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: BIND9 Syntax? Dear All, I've been having trouble with BIND(version 9.3.2-P1), and I'm not sure where the problem is. When I try to use nslookup,

Re: automake19: texinfo error during build

2007-01-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-14 15:18, Mahmoud Labadi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what I can do?? First, one thing you can do is *avoid* top-posting. Your replies belong *after* the original text. Please do not just write a question or two on top of an existing long quote and just hit 'send' :( On 2007-01-14

Re: How to burn IFO, VOB... files to make a playable DVD

2007-01-14 Thread RW
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:49:41 -0500 Carl J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I ripped the ifo, vob... files from a DVD. But I don't know what programs to use to burn them to a DVD-R so that the resulting disc would be playable on an external player (assuming the external player accepts DVD-R)

Re: Newbie attempting to install Flamenco (open source, python-based, faceted interface)

2007-01-14 Thread Jason Morgan
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 10:48:24AM -0500, Brett Bonfield wrote: Hi, I am a library student at Drexel University in Philadelphia, PA. My goal is to aggregate information about the Library and Information Science profession (e.g. conferences, mailing lists, blogs, professional associations,

advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Dino Vliet
Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. Can anyone have a look into them and tell me if I won't run into troubles or if there are better ways to achieve the same? Upgrade procedure to the newest freebsd kernel and userland.

random reboots: in_cksum causing this?

2007-01-14 Thread rwong10
Hi... For the past month or so. I've been seeing random reboots from my firewall box. I am presently running: 4.11-RELEASE-p13. I am observing the following entries in /var/log/messages that occur right before or lead to the reboot eventually: Jan 1 14:42:30 myhost /kernel: in_cksum_skip:

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Reko Turja
From: Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest

Re: perl substitution question

2007-01-14 Thread Gary Kline
Thanks for all the ways, gents. (I never thought of tr, but now that seems like an option.) A week+ ago I tried perl using 's/\xNN//g' from the cmdline, but nojoy. The online docs said that \N{xx} would catch a hex character; that's what was fuzzy.

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-14 11:56, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. Your instructions, however, are different from what /usr/src/UPDATING contains. Please, make *sure* you read

Re: perl substitution question

2007-01-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-14 12:15, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the ways, gents. (I never thought of tr, but now that seems like an option.) A week+ ago I tried perl using 's/\xNN//g' from the cmdline, but nojoy. The online docs said that \N{xx} would catch a hex character; that's

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Frank Staals
Dino Vliet wrote: Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. Can anyone have a look into them and tell me if I won't run into troubles or if there are better ways to achieve the same? Upgrade procedure to the newest freebsd

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Bill Moran
Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [copious snippage] 2. Cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf which contains the file MYKERNEL No it doesn't. CVSup will delete the files it doesn't know about, so you should *SAVE a copy* of your favorite kernel config file outside of the source tree and

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread kbtrace
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-01-14 11:56, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. Your instructions, however, are different from what /usr/src/UPDATING contains. Please,

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread John Nielsen
On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:44, kbtrace wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-01-14 11:56, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf which contains the file MYKERNEL No it doesn't. CVSup will delete the files it doesn't know about, so you should *SAVE a copy*

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
John Nielsen wrote: On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:44, kbtrace wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-01-14 11:56, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. Cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf which contains the file MYKERNEL No it doesn't. CVSup will delete the files it doesn't

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Dino Vliet
--- Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On:56, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. Your instructions, however, are different from what /usr/src/UPDATING contains.

install fails

2007-01-14 Thread Mark Busby
I've been trying to install freebsd on a HP pavilion with a A7V-VM Asus motherboard. The bios finds the harddrive and controler, but freebsd does not. I've installed a harddrive with bsd already loaded and the computer runs fine. I've tried older install cd's of freebsd from 4.1 to 6.2rc2

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Dan Nelson
In the last episode (Jan 14), Grant Peel said: I have several servers, each with hundreds of IPs on them. I am attempting to write a php script that will connect to each ip and identify the 'hostname' as set in rc.conf. I have been looking at icmp, env etc, and can't find a method. I was

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest source

2007-01-14 Thread Pietro Cerutti
On 1/14/07, Dino Vliet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Hello, from different sources I have written my steps to compile a new kernel upgrade to the latest sources. doesn't /usr/src/UPDATING istn't enough for you? Anyway... 1.Make sure that the cvsup file (src-supfile) is adjusted in

Re: perl substitution question

2007-01-14 Thread Gary Kline
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 10:31:04PM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-01-14 12:15, Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for all the ways, gents. (I never thought of tr, but now that seems like an option.) A week+ ago I tried perl using 's/\xNN//g' from the cmdline, but nojoy.

Re: Identifying a Remote Machine.

2007-01-14 Thread Christian Walther
On 14/01/07, Grant Peel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACtually no, Sory if the question was vauge, What I am looking to do is to create a tool that will identify what MACHINE (not domain) an ip is being used on. What about connecting to every domainname and quering the hostname? Something like

Re: install fails

2007-01-14 Thread Guido Demmenie
On Jan 14, 2007, at 9:51 PM, Mark Busby wrote: I've been trying to install freebsd on a HP pavilion with a A7V-VM Asus motherboard. The bios finds the harddrive and controler, but freebsd does not. I've installed a harddrive with bsd already loaded and the computer runs fine. I've tried

going back in time with the ports tree

2007-01-14 Thread Jonathan Horne
im trying to figure out how to go back in time on my ports tree. im sure ive seen instructions on how to do this before, but for the life of me, i cant find the doc now. i would like to get a copy of ports from right before php-5.2.0 was committed. can anyone point me in the right direction?

Re: BIND9 Syntax?

2007-01-14 Thread Derek Ragona
Once you get the syntax corrected, make sure you are picking up the correct named.conf file by doing: ps -ax| grep name If you don't have /etc/rc.conf setup correctly, you may not be getting the correct named.conf. -Derek At 11:40 AM 1/14/2007, Reko Turja wrote: - Original

Re: going back in time with the ports tree

2007-01-14 Thread Kelly D. Grills
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 04:48:33PM -0600, Jonathan Horne wrote: im trying to figure out how to go back in time on my ports tree. im sure ive seen instructions on how to do this before, but for the life of me, i cant find the doc now. i would like to get a copy of ports from right before

Re: going back in time with the ports tree

2007-01-14 Thread RW
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:48:33 -0600 Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im trying to figure out how to go back in time on my ports tree. im sure ive seen instructions on how to do this before, but for the life of me, i cant find the doc now. i would like to get a copy of ports from right

Re: Please Help! How to STOP them...

2007-01-14 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 15:39:30 +0100 Erik Norgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - enforce key authentication From memory, you still get the 'user unknown' messages if you have only key auth. - restrict access to certain users or groups of users I would say, idem here. - deny direct access as

Re: Please Help! How to STOP them...

2007-01-14 Thread Norberto Meijome
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:53:47 +1100 Norberto Meijome [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would add to limit the number of passwords retries - so if they want to hammer you, at least they'll have to try a new connection. Of course, this leaves you open to a DOS ... but , well, i guess you are still open

Re: going back in time with the ports tree

2007-01-14 Thread Jonathan Horne
On Sunday 14 January 2007 17:43, RW wrote: On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:48:33 -0600 Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im trying to figure out how to go back in time on my ports tree. im sure ive seen instructions on how to do this before, but for the life of me, i cant find the doc now.

fxtv problem

2007-01-14 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi people, i just bought a TV card and installed fxtv from port with option 'EXTRA' on, when I ran it, fxtv said: # fxtv mmap of driver buffer failed: Invalid argument I googled sometime, and found an entry about commenting out one option in the kernel config file, so I am left with: # TV

Newbie NMap in FreeBSD Question

2007-01-14 Thread linux quest
Lets say, I wanted to create a Perl script to execute a very simple nmap command as listed below, may I know how do I do it? unix# nmap 192.168.1.2 I know we need to save it in .pl extension. May I know what else I need to do. I hope someone can share with me the simple coding.

How to burn IFO, VOB... files to make a playable DVD

2007-01-14 Thread Carl J
Hi! I ripped the ifo, vob... files from a DVD.But I don't know what programs to use to burnthem to a DVD-R so that the resulting discwould be playable on an external player(assuming the external player accepts DVD-R)It seems growisofs only takes files or whole-disc-image.And cdrecord and burncd

How to burn IFO, VOB... files to make a playable DVD

2007-01-14 Thread Carl J
Hi! I ripped the ifo, vob... files from a DVD. But I don't know what programs to use to burn them to a DVD-R so that the resulting disc would be playable on an external player (assuming the external player accepts DVD-R) It seems growisofs only takes files or whole-disc-image. And cdrecord and

Re: going back in time with the ports tree

2007-01-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-14 16:48, Jonathan Horne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im trying to figure out how to go back in time on my ports tree. im sure ive seen instructions on how to do this before, but for the life of me, i cant find the doc now. i would like to get a copy of ports from right before

Re: advice on compiling a new kernel upgrading to the latest sources

2007-01-14 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-14 15:35, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [copious snippage] 2. Cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf which contains the file MYKERNEL No it doesn't. CVSup will delete the files it doesn't know about, so you should *SAVE a copy* of your

Problem Installing Postfix in 6.1

2007-01-14 Thread Alex Alborzfard
I'm having trouble installing Postfix. After selecting the options (TSL, Mysql), after displaying output that it can't fetch postfix-2.2.9-tar.gzfrom various sites, it displays this message: Couldn't fetch it - please try retrieving this port manually into /usr/ports/distfiles/postfix and try

Re: Problem Installing Postfix in 6.1

2007-01-14 Thread Joe Holden
Alex Alborzfard wrote: I'm having trouble installing Postfix. After selecting the options (TSL, Mysql), after displaying output that it can't fetch postfix-2.2.9-tar.gzfrom various sites, it displays this message: Couldn't fetch it - please try retrieving this port manually into

Re: Problem Installing Postfix in 6.1

2007-01-14 Thread Jay Chandler
Are you certain the box can get out to the internet and resolve DNS properly? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jason C. Wells
I have a bunch of mail piling up in /var/spool/mqueue. It appears to be all spam and it appears to be generated on the localhost. I am not sending it. I double checked my self @ abuse.net to see if I was an open relay, I'm not. I can't really say where it's coming from. How do I figure

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jeff Royle
The example below is simply a bounce that did not go through. Note: Mailer-Daemon and MDeferred: Connection refused by macbilling.com. Your system attempted to delivery a bounce back to macbilling.com and the MTA @ macbilling.com is rejecting the bounce. Most likely spam using a forged (or

ide/pata: change from sec/slave to pri/mater corrupt fstab, no keyboard other mysteries

2007-01-14 Thread Steve Franks
So I'm feeling pretty stupid, My system is dead because I changed my disk from the secondary to the primary ide controller. Boots, can't mount yada, yada. No problem, but I can't type when it says ufs: ... i.e. da0s1..mountprompt. Ok, so I put it back, edit fstab, reboot. Ooops, yours truly

Re: Mystery Spam Piling Up in Mqueue

2007-01-14 Thread Jason C. Wells
Jeff Royle wrote: Welcome to the running a mailserver on the intertubes. :-) And it used to be such a nice neighborhood. :( It's hard to be a good netizen. I probably don't spend as much time on it as purist would prefer. I just try to sweep up whatever flotsam comes my way when I find

Best way to kill pixels?

2007-01-14 Thread Nikolas Britton
What's the best way to make more dead pixels on an LCD display?... So a manufacturer will be forced to replace it. Would a high voltage static discharge through the panel work? Would it leave physical evidence of tempering, like melted silicon? Thanks.

RE: SuperMicro 2U servers?

2007-01-14 Thread Philippe Lang
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 08:43:06AM +0100, Philippe Lang wrote: Hi, Is anyone using FreeBSD 6.X in production on SuperMicro 2U servers? http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/2U/ Thanks for the info, Philippe Lang Yep, We are using them at Juniper

Re: Best way to kill pixels?

2007-01-14 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Nikolas Britton wrote: What's the best way to make more dead pixels on an LCD display?... So a manufacturer will be forced to replace it. Would a high voltage static discharge through the panel work? Would it leave physical evidence of tempering, like melted silicon? Thanks. You sure will