Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Julien Cigar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40: - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is just inhuman, especially when you cannot use -j for building ports (but it's being resolved I think). Of

Re: updating php5-pcre

2008-12-12 Thread Mike Clarke
On Friday 12 December 2008, David Newman wrote: 7.0-RELEASE-p6 / i386 Using portmaster to update the php5-pcre port returns this error: Cannot find config.m4. Make sure that you run '/usr/local/bin/phpize' in the top level source directory of the module I'm not a php guru. Where is the

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Valentin Bud wrote: Hello list, I don't know if the Subject says what i really want to achieve but i do hope that i will make myself understood. I work for a school and i want to install in 2 labs on very low performance computers (1 Ghz CPU, 126 Mb RAM) some linux distro (zen walk). I

USB Flash Drives

2008-12-12 Thread fixer
FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 r...@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 localhost# I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
i don't disagree with you that opensource stuff is much better even if they don't have certain things. however, is this really a freebsd issue there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy opensource bloatware. just being opensource doesn't mean anything

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal? full support of open hardware standards is an requirement. support for closed hardware standards isn't important.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Ivan Voras wrote: Manolis Kiagias wrote: don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. thank you and a great day, v What you are looking for

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Manolis Kiagias wrote: don't have local users but they query the DB to get login credentials and such. I don't really know what to look for. So any suggestion and hints to how can i achieve this are welcomed. thank you and a great day, v What you are looking for is called NIS:

Re: USB Flash Drives

2008-12-12 Thread Manolis Kiagias
fixer wrote: FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 r...@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 localhost# I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives.

iwi config help

2008-12-12 Thread AN
I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: cat /boot/loader.conf if_iwi_load=YES wlan_load=YES firmware_load=YES loader_logo=beastie

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello list, Thank you everyone for your input. I now know what to look for. Gave it a read at NIS in the handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only so because of the interoperability i think i will go with LDAP. I'll just have to check if (i suppose it does) that particular linux distro is

(no subject)

2008-12-12 Thread abedini
Hi all dear I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. Mohammad Abedini Site Acquisition Supervisor ( AHV ) Tel : 06113387881 06113921249 Mobile :09179397499

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Julien Cigar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution?

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X.

Re: (no subject)

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Bud
Hello Mr. Abedini and all the others by that matter, I don't want to be rude but do you remember the time when we used to send letters. Any of those letter had a Subject. E-mail communications are based on those letters (the concept) and they do have a Subject line on which you should fill a

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Boris Samorodov
Julien Cigar jci...@ulb.ac.be writes: Off-topic, but do you know any good tool other than gq/phpldapadmin to manage/browse/... an LDAP server ? At the moment I've my own set of LDIF files that I use with ldap[add|delete|modify], but it's not very flexible .. A ncurses tool would be perfect.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Outback Dingo
look at gosa its a fairly well rounded ldap administration suite, probably more then you might need, but it covers alot of the services https://oss.gonicus.de/labs/gosa/ or potentially even Zivios might fit your needs http://www.zivios.org/ On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Julien Cigar

vinum raid degraded

2008-12-12 Thread Gerhard Schmidt
Hi, I'm running a gvinum raid array with 4x80G drives. This raid is running for 4 Years now. Today i found out that the status in degraded. All drives are up but on subdisk is stale. How can get the raid out of degraded mode. I have attached the output of gvinum l Greeting Estartu --

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only unix systems in LAN, NIS is much better easier and faster. for

Re: installation on Acer 4220

2008-12-12 Thread Bill Moran
In response to abedini abedini.erics...@gmail.com: Hi all dear I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. Are you having difficulty? What have you tried. Quite honestly, I don't understand the question. --

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Valentin Bud
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable.

Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Gary Hartl
Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. Thanks Gary ___

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Julien Cigar
On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 14:12 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only unix

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Valentin Bud wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right

Re: (no subject)

2008-12-12 Thread Jeff Laine
2008/12/12 abedini abedini.erics...@gmail.com: Hi all dear I have laptop acer 4220 and I need to install FreeBSD. This laptop have sata HDD how can install FreeBSD in this system. Hello. If you need a desktop environment you can try PC-BSD (http://www.pcbsd.org/), it's easy and fast to

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Ivan Voras
Julien Cigar wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 13:26 +0100, Ivan Voras wrote: 2008/12/12 Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I agree - NIS is easiest to setup, but LDAP is the right solution in this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right

Re: dialog run away processes

2008-12-12 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:35:43PM -0800, Noah wrote: Hi there, sometimes I find there one or two processes with the command name of 'dialog' tacking the cpu on my freebsd machines. any clues what creates this situation and how I can circumvent the problem? It appears to happen around

Re: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION

2008-12-12 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Sahil Tandon sa...@tandon.net wrote: hitech resources wrote: *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it for server purposes. TQ 7 And amd64 also :)

Re: ftpd not chroot'ing

2008-12-12 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:58 AM, Gunther Mayer gunther.ma...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm trying to set up a really simple, single account write only ftp service. So I put ftpd_enable=YES ftpd_flags=-o -d in my rc.conf and started the ftp server. Now I have a special password

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Nguyen Tam Chinh
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Ivan Voras ivo...@freebsd.org wrote: Valentin Bud wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution?

Re: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hartl gha...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. Perhaps

Re: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread michael
Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Gary Hartl gha...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) I'm using outlook 2008,

Re: NEED HELP FOR SUITABLE VERSION

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:55:49AM +0800, hitech resources wrote: *HI, i have PowerEdge(TM) 840, Quad Core Xeon Pro X3220 Processor, so what is the suitable version of FreeBSD i could use. I actually want to use it for server purposes. TQ Go with the latest RELEASE. If you can wait a short

Re: USB Flash Drives

2008-12-12 Thread Tyson Boellstorff
On Friday 12 December 2008 05:11:26 Manolis Kiagias wrote: fixer wrote: I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports these drives. But if FreeBSD does, I need instructions on how-to-use. Thanks in advance for anyone who can

Re: iwi config help

2008-12-12 Thread Oliver Peter
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:29:05AM +, AN wrote: I'm trying to configure a wireless adapter on an IBM Thinkpad R51, and need some help. I followed the iwi man page, but the card is not recognized. I have the following in /boot/loader.conf: cat /boot/loader.conf if_iwi_load=YES

Re: updating php5-pcre

2008-12-12 Thread David Newman
On 12/12/08 1:08 AM, Mike Clarke wrote: As of php 5.2.7, pcre extension is distributed with the core php5 package, and not as a standalone module anymore. Thanks much. So, I can safely deinstall the php5-pcre port? dn ___

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Joe S
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:01 AM, Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:59:24PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: I've been biting my tongue about this because I'm not sure that I can offer any help or useful suggestions, but here goes... What on earth is going on with

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:58:02 +0100 Bernt Hansson be...@bah.homeip.net wrote: Julien Cigar skrev: On Fri, 2008-12-12 at 00:23 +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote: Julien Cigar said the following on 2008-12-11 14:40: - Altough ports are fantastic, building things like OpenOffice or ... is just

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
-- From: Joe S js.li...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:20 PM To: Roland Smith rsm...@xs4all.nl Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Jonathan McKeown jonathan+freebsd-questi...@hst.org.za Subject: Re: Release schedules On Wed, Nov

Re: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 Gary Hartl gha...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am aware of) I'm using outlook 2008, picking up from gmail. Thanks Gary

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 07:04:18PM -0800, prad wrote: Each time, I have very clearly stated my disagreement with his estimation of FreeBSD as being thoroughly beaten by MS Windows in that area, with that URL provided as evidence to back my claim. the problem is that is your own

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 i don't think that's really what is happening, chad. i think there is

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Robert Huff
Joe S writes: What on earth is going on with release scheduling? Two words: volunteer project I would propose to do away with the release schedule altogether, or make it very succinct; next release: when it's done. What? Isn't that the Linux kernel schedule?

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:50:36PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:58:14 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal? no.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Dan
Wojciech Puchar(woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.12.12 14:12:45 +0100: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not right but interoperable. if i do have only

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Ivailo Bonev
- Original Message - From: Tyson Boellstorff perl...@alltel.net To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 7:45 AM Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Glen Barber
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: When it's ready used to be the scheduling principle. Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably not ready when it went out the door). I remember discussion afterwards, where there

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:04:21 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: there are excellent opensource software and there are crappy opensource bloatware. just being opensource doesn't mean anything agreed, but we prefer to support opensource from a philosophical

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Michael Powell
Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered a worthy goal? full support of open hardware standards is an

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything about that at this time:. i don't either, but these development teams do exist:

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread michael
Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Tyson Boellstorff wrote: On Thursday 11 December 2008 19:58:14 Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 05:00:11PM -0800, prad wrote: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:28:13 -0700 i don't think that's really what is

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: When it's ready used to be the scheduling principle. Then came 5.0 debacle: behind schedule big-time (and arguably not ready when it

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:35:46 -0500 Michael Powell nightre...@verizon.net wrote: My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial enterprise to dictate features FreeBSD must include before they will support

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:59:46 +0200 Ivailo Bonev ibb_o...@mbox.contact.bg wrote: What's your problem with Lada?! :-D They make cars (especially Niva) to drive everywhere! well may be they could work on the nvidia drivers. they already have 4 of the 6 letters correct. Just my 2 euro cents...

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Glen Barber
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion has come up countless number of times and the answer is always the same - all of us would rather wait for quality, but we'd also like some very rough timeline estimates that don't fall back into the past.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I disagree. I believe, rather, that support for closed hardware specs isn't *as* important -- but is still at least somewhat important. My reservation to the 3D driver thing is it is setting a very dangerous precedent if the solution involves allowing a third party commercial enterprise to

HD radio tuner for FreeBSD?

2008-12-12 Thread Steve Franks
Anyone know of a HD radio receiver (preferably USB, put PCI/PCIe ok) that we have drivers for? I assume it would show up as a usb audio device and a usb hid device? Ok, no doubt I'm being optimistic that such a thing actually even exists Steve ___

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Robert Huff
michael writes: why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. :-) Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to change the

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread michael
Robert Huff wrote: michael writes: why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. :-) Robert Huff haha, old man. ___

Re: HD radio tuner for FreeBSD?

2008-12-12 Thread Brian Whalen
Steve Franks wrote: Anyone know of a HD radio receiver (preferably USB, put PCI/PCIe ok) that we have drivers for? I assume it would show up as a usb audio device and a usb hid device? Ok, no doubt I'm being optimistic that such a thing actually even exists Steve Here is a Linux story,

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:02:28 -0500 Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: Market share increases by making your product more accessible and usable by a larger group of users. you make a good point here, jerry. what i'm wondering about though is if the 'normal' business model should be applied to fbsd

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Joe S
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make support for it. what is common today isn't normal. I honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate here. exactly what i wrote. the problem is

Re: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:38:17 -0500 Gary Hartl gha...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have any clue what I would be getting two of every message posted to the group? It started yesterday and nothing has changed on my end (that I am

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:20:12 -0800 Joe S js.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:28 PM, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Maxim Khitrov mkhit...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. With new hardware produced every year it MUST be buggy and certainly there are thousands of hardware

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:35:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: They do this to hide their hardware faults that way - that's the true reason they do this. this is really interesting. so the 'trade secrets' is largely a smoke-screen. i imagine this would also

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 02:44:27PM -0500, Robert Huff wrote: michael writes: why don't we all just say it. freebsd sucks because it isn't cp/m. CP/? Poser. I want my TWENEX back. :-) What do you have against ITS? -- Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL:

Re: Release schedules

2008-12-12 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi there, For example, RC2 builds were scheduled for 29 September 2008. When that day comes (or same week perhaps), whoever has the ability to change the release schedule page should update it regardless of what happened. If RC2 builds started, that should be reflected in the I have offered

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. Are you reading this, prad? -- Chad

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything about that at this

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread michael
Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:15:35PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: cropping up and saying the equivalent of If we work on that stuff, FreeBSD will just become MS Windows, and it'll suck. I disagree with because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:35:46PM -0500, Michael Powell wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:05:20PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: So . . . are you saying that increased support for 3D accelerated graphics is not an improvement, and should therefore not be considered

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2008-12-12 Thread michael
Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:07:45AM -0800, prad wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:11:48 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't recall anyone saying I'm with such-and-such a FreeBSD development team, and these are the reasons we aren't going to do anything

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread michael
has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here about those two

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 03:02:28PM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:32:59 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: NVidia MUST INCLUDE full documentation of their hardware. this is normal - hardware manufacturer produces hardware, programmers do make

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Brian Whalen
michael wrote: has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? is ranting on here

Re: ad

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
because linux got exactly that way and it sucks now. That's not what I'd call a productive response, nor is it well supported. what kind of productivity to you request from such topic. it doesn't have to be productive. it's just fact. ___

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread michael
Brian Whalen wrote: michael wrote: Brian Whalen wrote: michael wrote: has anyone stopped at all during this discussion and considered what you're arguing about? you're all complaining about a SERVER os that doesn't have an nvidia driver for its 64bit implementation and Wojciech. I mean

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I mean seriously, has this helped anything at all? no. all i want is to stop all stupid topics about: - KDE/Gnome/other crap (or great things for somebody) BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF FREEBSD. FreeBSD has nothing to this, except KDE/Gnome/whatever can be run on it - support of flash in

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
by a larger group of users. If FBSD wants to remain a 'niche' product with limited support for third party products, then the question of why FBSD is not more popular with hardware vendors has been answered. That's exactly what some people want -- though it's not a universal FreeBSD goal,

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Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Doug Hardie
On Dec 12, 2008, at 10:19, Dan wrote: Wojciech Puchar(woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl)@2008.12.12 14:12:45 +0100: this case (though it's very complicated to set up, especially the first why it is right solution? Interoperability. Today, with Linux, tomorrow, Windows or Mac OS X. so not

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Usr Random
Hi dear sirs! Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD already split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD (Desktop oriented) ? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples? WBR ___

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:46:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: if someone like to compare KDE with windoze - OK but NOT THIS GROUP! Hold the topic censorship horses there a bit... The freebsd-questions list is a general discussion forum where FreeBSD users

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:28:26 +0300, Usr Random rand15...@yandex.ru wrote: Hi dear sirs! Correct please if me wrong, but as i know the source tree of FreeBSD already split into two parts - Servers-oriented (FreeBSD) and PC-BSD (Desktop oriented) ? Or team from PC-BSD is not FreeBSD peoples?

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Wojciech Puchar
There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort. exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! everything else depends on what you install. that's why it would be good to finally introduce moderation on that list - to cut

RE: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Gabe
Its a conspiracy. Is it safe to say that it is in fact gmail related? -Original Message- From: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:41 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double Posts On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry

Re: Double Posts

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:56:30 -0800 Gabe n...@att.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Odhiambo Washington odhia...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 12:41 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Double Posts On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Jerry ges...@yahoo.com wrote:

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort. exactly! FreeBSD is unix oriented! everything else depends on what

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 02:28:54AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread Mike Jeays
On December 12, 2008 07:28:54 pm Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 00:22:15 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: There is _nothing_ that is inherently server oriented about the main FreeBSD tree, and it hasn't split to anything of the sort.

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com writes: If you only have UNIX systems in LAN. But in my case i have Linux + FreeBSD (server). From the handbook NIS only works between FBSDs. Am i missing something? Apparently. Quoting the Handbook: NIS, which stands for Network Information Services,

Re: Centralized DB of system users

2008-12-12 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Valentin Bud valentin@gmail.com writes: handbook but as you guys said it's FBSD only Well, aside from other Unix-like systems. Certainly Linux, MacOS, anything from Sun (which invented it), all the other BSDs, Ultrix, and probably anything else that ends in 'ix'. It might be a bit tricky

Re: USB Flash Drives

2008-12-12 Thread Lowell Gilbert
fixer ord...@fixer.com writes: FreeBSD localhost 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 r...@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 localhost# I just discovered flash drives. They are very easy to use on Windows. I don't know if FreeBSD supports

Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors

2008-12-12 Thread prad
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:28:54 +0200 Giorgos Keramidas keram...@freebsd.org wrote: It seems natural to return the favor now, and reply to *all* questions that I can help with; even if their relation to FreeBSD is very 'weak'. i think that is both very generous, appropriate and in keeping with

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