Re: OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I want to get started programming for hardware. Motors, sensors, actuators, etc. I have a programming background, (python, PHP, C++) but no experience with code that drives hardware. (Motors, sensors, etc.) add -- to your language list so first 2 would disappear and third will become C. I

Re: No sound in Flash

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
if you really need flash, you may install gnash from ports. not fully capable but usually works, and doesn't need linux emulator and closed source code. Thanks for the advice about gnash! I've installed it, and removed nspluginwrapper and all the linux stuff. It seems to work perfectly for

apache PHP suhosin load

2012-06-21 Thread n dhert
On FreeBSD 8.3 I have apache22 web server with PHP. PHP is PHP52 for compatibility with existing applications, but the most recent version in the php52 branch $ php --version PHP 5.2.17 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.7 (cli) (built: May 7 2012 08:45:58) From time to time, I notice in a top output, that

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-21 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: i would recommend you to take more care about yourself, and not me. You are not in the right position to give advice, young man. -- chs, ___

Re: Need latest xorg

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On 21 jun. 2012, at 05:28, Waitman Gobble gobble...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Lynn Steven Killingsworth blue.seahorse.syndic...@gmail.com wrote: I don't seem to have generated much

Re: apache PHP suhosin load

2012-06-21 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 21 Jun 2012, at 08:34, n dhert ndhert...@gmail.com wrote: On FreeBSD 8.3 I have apache22 web server with PHP. PHP is PHP52 for compatibility with existing applications, but the most recent version in the php52 branch $ php --version PHP 5.2.17 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.7 (cli) (built: May

Re: apache PHP suhosin load

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Powell
n dhert wrote: On FreeBSD 8.3 I have apache22 web server with PHP. PHP is PHP52 for compatibility with existing applications, but the most recent version in the php52 branch $ php --version PHP 5.2.17 with Suhosin-Patch 0.9.7 (cli) (built: May 7 2012 08:45:58) From time to time, I notice

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Michel Talon
Le 21 juin 2012 à 03:52, kpn...@pobox.com a écrit : All of this may seem stupid to a reasonable person outside of law. I'll agree that it probably does look stupid. But it is also the reality of the legal systems we must live with today. I can only praise kpneal for this very well

Re: OT: Robotics or embedded or hardware programming... what is this called?

2012-06-21 Thread David Collins
I have one of these http://www.nerdkits.com/ They pack everything you need in and a few examples, quite neat but you need to do some electronics On 21/06/2012, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I want to get started programming for hardware. Motors, sensors, actuators,

Re: Flaming mailing lists (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-21 Thread fred . morcos
And I just want to add I'm a gay Marxist atheist and I represent the accusations leveled in that other post...we have feelings too!!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
Snippet from Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl: I successfully predicted the fall of linux (in quality point of view) years ago, then netbsd - after this and my prediction were good. Now i predict FreeBSD will fall within 2015 time frame. What i mean fall - that it would be

Re: List flames (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
from Stephen Cook scli...@gmail.com: No, this is unusual. But also remember that most of these lists are not just unmoderated but open to posting without subscription. Then it becomes kind of amazing at how little flaming and trolling there is. That's not an accident, the admins work hard

Re: No surround sound with Creative SB Live! card

2012-06-21 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 21:07 15/06/2012, Edward M wrote: What do you mean by a decoder is needed? A decorder is either a special plugin/codex that gets installed into the OS ( codex called a52dec) and decoding happens internally. or a hardware device like a stereo receiver that is able to

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. If FreeBSD appears as a subsidiary of some commercial company (say Juniper) i am not sure this will be good I think any project that size is actually a subsidiary and must be. I just don't like that it isn't stated

Re: CLANG vs GCC tests of fortran/f2c program

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
force gcc build that MAYBE will work. possibly not. My experience with NetBSD suggests you may be right there, but Linux? After commercial support got too much about directing decisions, NetBSD got very quickly useless. I'll have to build a new Linux installation and see for myself!

Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Hooman Fazaeli
Dear community In the past, I built a 8TB ZFS log server on freebsd 7.4. However, the system experienced instablility after long up times. My main motive to use ZFS was UFS inability to support large file systems. Now, I want to the same thing on 8.3 and wanted to know your opinion on ZFS

Re: List flames (was Re: Why Clang)

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Because of FreeBSD lists being mainly unmoderated and open to posting without subscription, I notice some outright spams that slip through the list filters. I believe (could possibly be wrong) that the lists have spam filters in place. it must have and well done. FreeBSD list is for sure more

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Thomas Mueller
Snippet from Antonio Olivares olivares14...@gmail.com: I have some friends that develop software. They had released it under GNU umbrella. Later on, other folks were taking advantage and not giving back as the license requires. There was little to no way to enforce the license, he decided

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Fred Morcos
On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. Secondly (and probably stating the obvious), the handbook

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
wrong way to go. I can ask him for these and other reasons at your request. Yes, that would be a good idea, not so much for me as for others who want to better understand the licensing issues of GCC compared to Clang. i would like to hear this. but only in C compiler context. i understand

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Kaya Saman
Hi, I think it is stable enough on FreeBSD. Someone actually posted quite a similar thread not a while ago.. Here'e a quick summary: For my various OpenSource projects, I have deployed a 36TB file system which is fine and stable running 24/7. Additionally at home I use 4TB (2x 2TB) + 8TB

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. The correct answer would be. I depends on the work load ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I will go with a single thread. I will also try to keep it as short

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Евгений Лактанов
21.06.2012 15:52, Wojciech Puchar пишет: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
For my various OpenSource projects, I have deployed a 36TB file system which is fine and stable running 24/7. Additionally at home I use 4TB (2x 2TB) + 8TB (2x 4TB) on a machine with 4GB RAM this has been up for 3 years with minimum reboot! Good. There are some companies that make for

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. The correct answer would be. I depends on the work load For different kinds of production workload it doesn't, aat least for me.

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Hooman Fazaeli hoomanfaza...@gmail.comwrote: Dear community In the past, I built a 8TB ZFS log server on freebsd 7.4. However, the system experienced instablility after long up times. My main motive to use ZFS was UFS inability to support large file

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Robert Huff
Fred Morcos writes: q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? Mostly, yes. There are down-sides, but if you're building a client where specific

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 21/06/2012 12:24, Fred Morcos wrote: q) I am currently considering 3 disks for a home micro-server, with ZFS striping with the third disk being a parity disk. In case I decide to buy a fourth disk in the future and add it to the pool, is ZFS capable of re-structuring the data on-the-fly to

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: For my various OpenSource projects, I have deployed a 36TB file system which is fine and stable running 24/7. Additionally at home I use 4TB (2x 2TB) + 8TB (2x 4TB) on a machine with 4GB RAM this has

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
+---+ |Stripe | +---+---+ |Mirror1|Mirror2| +---+---+---+---+ | Disk1 | Disk2 | Disk3 | Disk4 | +---+---+---+---+ true. but there are mirror/stripe layout that is quite

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Dennis Glatting
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 12:03 +0430, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: Dear community In the past, I built a 8TB ZFS log server on freebsd 7.4. However, the system experienced instablility after long up times. My main motive to use ZFS was UFS inability to support large file systems. Now, I want to

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread weldon
On 21.06.2012 07:39, Dennis Glatting wrote: Stable? Yes. Be sure you have up-to-date FreeBSD kernel and your HBA firmware is up-to-date. Generally I use LSI 9211 cards. Does the 9211 support JBOD (complete plain disks, no RAID or single disk RAID mess)?

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Thursday 21 June 2012 18:24:26 Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar q) Is it possible to run a FreeBSD system without much building? In other words, can I survive by depending on packages and only resorting to ports when really needed? you can run both

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Maybe a hint. I leave always one big release out. With other words. If you start now with 9, you do not have to move to 10 but you can stick with 9 until 11 comes out. You do not even have to upgrade at the spot. my as i do - i for now run FreeBSD 8, and will run 9 when it will be needed with

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
System 1: 32 cores, Interlagos, 64GB, 18TB RAIDz1 System 2: 64 cores, Interlagos, 128GB, 15TB RAIDz1 System 3: 8 cores, Bulldozer, 16GB, 27TB RAIDz2 what these systems do? (no details, just rough information) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

A bash scripting question

2012-06-21 Thread Odhiambo Washington
How Can I simplify/perfect the following script, so that I read _ALL_ the lines in the file and act on the content as shown below, so that I do not have to specifiy an action per line? This below is doing exactly what i need BUT reading one line at a time untill the 10th line, if i want more i

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I really want to see your face when you fsck 48TB w/o ffs+j (since that is so young must be immature :S ) of data with the phone ring non stop with Even if ZFS would be the only filesystem in existence i would make one per 2 disks (single mirror). No matter what's going on, what do you

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I really want to see your face when you fsck 48TB w/o ffs+j (since that is so young must be immature :S ) of data with the phone ring non stop with Even if ZFS would be the only filesystem in existence i

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Hooman Fazaeli
On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for 2TB file systems with UFS? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
answer yourself. Sorry but I don;t follow you right there. with 48 disks you would not mirror 24vs24. if i wasn't clear enough then i would it like that (with UFS), and assuming disks are named disk0disk48, and that i have at least one more disk for system code, often acessed data etc

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for 2TB file systems with UFS? the same as for 2TB filesystems.

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Julien Cigar
One interesting feature of ZFS if it's block checksum: all reads and writes include block checksum, so it can easily detect situations where, for example, data is quietly corrupted by RAM. This feature is very important for databases. On 06/21/2012 15:58, Matthias Gamsjager wrote: On Thu, Jun

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: answer yourself. Sorry but I don;t follow you right there. with 48 disks you would not mirror 24vs24. if i wasn't clear enough then i would it like that (with UFS), and assuming disks are named

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Julien Cigar
On 06/21/2012 16:13, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for 2TB file systems with UFS? this should not be a problem if you use GPT + gpart (which is the way to go

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Eduardo Morras
At 16:13 21/06/2012, you wrote: On 6/21/2012 4:22 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. What options are there for 2TB file systems with UFS? With UFS2 you can use file systems up to 2^73 (8 ZB). The problem is not UFS, but the old

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Dennis Glatting
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 07:55 -0500, wel...@excelsusphoto.com wrote: On 21.06.2012 07:39, Dennis Glatting wrote: Stable? Yes. Be sure you have up-to-date FreeBSD kernel and your HBA firmware is up-to-date. Generally I use LSI 9211 cards. Does the 9211 support JBOD (complete plain

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
One interesting feature of ZFS if it's block checksum: all reads and writes include block checksum, so it can easily detect situations where, for example, data is quietly corrupted by RAM. you may be shocked but you are sometimes wrong. i already demostrated it and checksumming doesn't get

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
interesting idea but the options ZFS would give you are superior to this setup. Were you just unable to understand my setup or a reasons to do this? please reread former post and possibly ask again if you don't understand the reasons. I ignore performance issues completely for now. But

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
With UFS2 you can use file systems up to 2^73 (8 ZB). The problem is not UFS, but the old tools used to format the disk like fdisk and bsdlabel. For big file systems you must use gpart. true. or not using anything at all (and put filesystem directly on whole device/mirror). The problem with

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: interesting idea but the options ZFS would give you are superior to this setup. Were you just unable to understand my setup or a reasons to do this? please reread former post and possibly ask again

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good so i would repeat my question. Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 users with their data on them. Your solution with ZFS - ZFS crashes or you get double disk failure. Assuming the

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread weldon
On 21.06.2012 10:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good so i would repeat my question. Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 users with their data on them. Your solution with ZFS - ZFS crashes or

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I think it is incorrect to assume that a failure with ZFS that cannot be recovered could be recovered if you used UFS with fsck. i think it is incorrect to not read carefully. So explanation - ZFS failure NOT caused by disks failure cannot be usually recovered. But even if i am wrong at

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Felder
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:42:55 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: And it is truly funny for me to know people do think this way. If you understood how ZFS commits data to disk you'd not be making these statements. Also, if you take snapshots you can just roll

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On 21 jun. 2012, at 17:15, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I do understand your setup but I dont have too agree that it is a good so i would repeat my question. Assume you have 48 disks, in mirrored configuration (24 mirrors) and 480 users with their data on

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Another important point: With 24 ZFS mirrors you'd have your data being striped across ALL the mirrors. This will yield much better performance. i though already after few mails that you can discuss things normally. But this reply just perfectly proves you didn't read more than maybe my

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
stupid answer to stupid question. You never seen - but they do happens. In other topic you hammerd on fact and if someone ask you to deliver them its a stupid question. just a proof it is a waste of time to explain things (FOR FREE) for people like you. You are free to make dangerous

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Wojciech == Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: Wojciech I ignore performance issues completely for now. An ironic line, given your complaints about clang. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com

Re: A bash scripting question

2012-06-21 Thread Devin Teske
On Jun 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: How Can I simplify/perfect the following script, so that I read _ALL_ the lines in the file and act on the content as shown below, so that I do not have to specifiy an action per line? This below is doing exactly what i need BUT

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Matthias Gamsjager
On 21 jun. 2012, at 18:07, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: stupid answer to stupid question. You never seen - but they do happens. In other topic you hammerd on fact and if someone ask you to deliver them its a stupid question. just a proof it is a waste of time

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Daniel Staal
On 2012-06-21 08:12, Евгений Лактанов wrote: 21.06.2012 15:52, Wojciech Puchar пишет: stick with UFS. It JUST WORKS(R), and is trusty. And it works fast. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
True but this applies as much to you. You think you know it all and that is quite the probdlem with you. And discussing with you is a true waste with this attittute. Even its free. so stop it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
his interactions on several topics. ZFS is stable and tested, and works well if you have the resources. That means RAM as well as hard disks - and if you don't have the resources, most of ZFS's advantages wouldn't be coming into play anyway. I have seen no right. repeat it more times, as

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Kaya Saman
[...] My one note to the above would be to advise against using it for swap - unless you have enough RAM to make sure you never swap. It doesn't do well in that role, in my experience. (Though that was under a slightly earlier version.) I remember on SXCE running on my test Sun E420r

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 1:40 AM, Michel Talon wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: I'm quite new to FreeBSD too (RHEL/Fedora background), and am most impressed with it so far. rather huge difference. If you use the right

FreeBSD 8.2 Add second hard drive multi-boot

2012-06-21 Thread leeoliveshackelford
Good morning, FreeBSD enthusiasts. On my Hewlett-Packard xw4400 workstation, I had one hard drive. I partitioned it with two slices, the first one for FreeBSD 8.2 with its native file system, and the second one for a future re-installation of Windows XP, to be formatted with NTFS file system.

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Marco Antonio Muskus Muskus
ZFS is superior to UFS. End of the history. There is no point in use old technology (UFS) when the new one can make the same as the older and better ? Regards, El 21/06/12 11:31, Matthias Gamsjager escribió: On 21 jun. 2012, at 18:07, Wojciech Puchar

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those

NIC problem

2012-06-21 Thread Arlen McIntyre
I have an Intel Wifi Link 1000 BGN NIC that I'm having trouble getting to work. I have FreeBSD 8.3 installed. I looked in the NOTES file under /usr/src/sys/conf for the driver and did not see it listed. It is PCI. I have tried to configure the settings via the sysinstall command post

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 9:47 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: True but this applies as much to you. You think you know it all and that is quite the probdlem with you. And discussing with you is a true waste with this attittute. Even its free. so stop it. This mailing list isn't your blog. If you want to

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 10:08 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Second, FreeBSD is not a commercial company, and while this argument may have a merit for commercial sponsors of FreeBSD, it has zero bearing on FreeBSD itself. You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
the experimental development branch -HEAD, it _might_ happen that the system doesn't even compile, but updated 30 minutes after that accident, it runs fine again. :-) And finally unless doing tests or using private not-really-important computer, don't just install newest FreeBSD because it's

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
ZFS is superior to UFS. End of the history. There is no point in use old technology (UFS) when the new one can make the same as the older and better ? anyway there must be morons here like me that after observation conclude that older is far safer and better. But if you want end of history

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
We put clang because sponsors wanted it. Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 10:16 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: We put clang because sponsors wanted it. Sponsors didn't want clang. Sponsors wanted not to be encumbered by a GPLv3 they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered.

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Robison, Dave
On 06/21/2012 10:08, Wojciech Puchar wrote: You seem to be unaware of what percentage of the development and maintenance staff and the money to pay for them comes from those commercial users. If FreeBSD cannot maintain the critical mass to continue, it will not continue. but why it isn't

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Robison, Dave
On 06/21/2012 00:33, Hooman Fazaeli wrote: Dear community In the past, I built a 8TB ZFS log server on freebsd 7.4. However, the system experienced instablility after long up times. My main motive to use ZFS was UFS inability to support large file systems. Now, I want to the same thing on

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, indent with

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Felder
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
they are not. programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. Programs that link to GPLv3 libraries are encumbered. you mean libgcc_s.so.1 and libstdc++? scanned /bin and /usr/bin and few programs do link it - all are C++ written. None IMHO are needed in closed-source system

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion. Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC. Politics won. ___

Re: New to FreeBSD - Some questions

2012-06-21 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Thursday 21 June 2012 23:55:38 Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 13:24:26 +0200, Fred Morcos wrote: On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Wojciech Puchar q) Is it possible to get native resolution on the console? I played with vesa and vidcontrol but could never get what I wanted.

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists very good. just block me, instead of performing aggresive replies and personal attacks. ___

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Felder
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:30:40 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Google GPLv3 court case. There are no

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
sources please! Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. true. But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU Free Software Foundation asking for just that

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Mark Felder
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:36:03 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU Free Software Foundation asking for just that case? There needs to be a lawsuit and lawyers and judges need to be

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Robison, Dave
On 06/21/2012 10:30, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Because there's no reason to do that. It's an asinine suggestion. Clang is here to stay. Most of us are happy about that decision. GCC Because most that are not already stopped and ignored thing. and use GCC. Politics won. Excellent. We have a

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 10:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: sources please! Google GPLv3 court case. There are no applicable results. Until a Judge decides what the license truly means everyone using it is at risk. true. But why anyone from FreeBSD fundation didn't just write official letter to GNU Free

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Stas Verberkt
Mark Felder schreef op 21-06-2012 19:28: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Евгений Лактанов
21.06.2012 21:32, Wojciech Puchar пишет: Agreed. Wojciech Puchar is in my 'probable troll' file at this point, Here too, http://berklix.com/~jhs/dots/.procmailrc.lists very good. just block me, instead of performing aggresive replies and personal attacks.

Re: Is ZFS production ready?

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Only after you, my man, only after you. not yours. i'm not

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL executables is limited to what hey call eligible compilation processes, what rules out using proprietary GCC plugins or other combinations of core GCC functionality with non-GPL tooling and extensions. Please note

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Joe Gain
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:45 PM, Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl wrote: Mark Felder schreef op 21-06-2012 19:28: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:16:31 -0500, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
So, has anyone compared the performance of clang vs gcc compiled in daily use-- for example as a server? Anyone can cherry pick a couple of binaries, but how important is this for the performance of FreeBSD world? not big, as with almost any compiler. Most workload are dominated by cache

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Waitman Gobble
On Jun 21, 2012 11:23 AM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: Additionally, the exceptions for using the GCC runtime library for non-GPL executables is limited to what hey call eligible compilation processes, what rules out using proprietary GCC plugins or other combinations

Re: Why Clang

2012-06-21 Thread Roger B.A. Klorese
On 6/21/12 10:30 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: z woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: programs compiled by GPLv3 compiler are not encumbered. This has not been decided in court yet. sources please! Logical fallacy -- looking for a non-existence proof.

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