Re: Installing details

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I am absolutely new to FreeBSD and would like a simple 'by the hand' explanation of how to install and use FreeBSD on a Pc. I tried to follow the info from its website but explanations seem too cryptic for me to understand properly. I'd like to try it on a empty partition of my hard drive,

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi Ashkan, I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. true. it is consistently slow. REALLY from what tale do

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
i have 16tb storage. 8x2tb sata raided. i want to share it on network via nfs. which file system is better for it? thank you badly imprecise question. you may share any filesystem. Not sure what you want to achieve. No explanation of raided - this means nothing without precise description.

Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
are showing me. Read performance OTOH is strange, zpool and systat both reporting consistently an aggregated read speed of around 120MB/s during the block read tests (which seems a bit slow for the drives - and indeed systat reports the drives at less than 50% utilisation) but bonnie is only

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
be well within patent law to apply for a patent. The patent office has never been very good at examining software patents, and I have made a lot of money helping companies document the prior art not cited in patents that are being asserted against them. good there are people that helps. Bad

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Robert Huff
Wojciech Puchar writes: Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the idea

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Wojciech Puchar writes: Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software. Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement is to

Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 13:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: are showing me. Read performance OTOH is strange, zpool and systat both reporting consistently an aggregated read speed of around 120MB/s during the block read tests (which seems a bit slow for

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Robert Huff
Jerry writes: I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work, sweat and time to

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 03:46:53PM -0500, Marco Muskus wrote: Hi Ashkan, I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the

RE: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Graeme Dargie
snip Discover it alone. I told already enough about it but it results in attacks from ZFS (and general new technology) fanatics. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
First surprise, with only 4GB I had set primarycache=metadata, you mean 4 GIGABYTES of memory is ONLY? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. The idea that ZFS is faster than XFS is certainly a new one for me.

RE: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
If the rest of the world thought like you we would still be trying to invent the wheel. ??? what wheel. UFS is already invented. For LONG time. And UFS+softupdates works great. much better than new trash ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: Jerry writes: I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers, software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary reward for their

Re: ZFS bonnie puzzlement

2012-08-05 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 20:02:54 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: First surprise, with only 4GB I had set primarycache=metadata, you mean 4 GIGABYTES of memory is ONLY? At less than €30 - yes I think only is reasonable, I'd have bought more but 4GB

Webpage screenshot

2012-08-05 Thread Polytropon
I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be used for usability and design visualization where different components of the web page can be colored using Gimp to show

Re: Webpage screenshot

2012-08-05 Thread Kurt Buff
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be used for usability and design visualization where

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that individual deserves

Re: Webpage screenshot

2012-08-05 Thread Mike Clarke
On Sunday 05 August 2012 19:41:38 Polytropon wrote: The idea of taking a screenshot from the web browser may look sufficient at first, but it is problematic when the web page doesn't fit horizontally or vertically snip How would you suggest to solve this task? How about the Pixlr Grabber

Re: Webpage screenshot

2012-08-05 Thread Frank Reppin
Hi all, On 05.08.2012 20:41, Polytropon wrote: [website to picture cli] google search comes up with http://code.google.com/p/wkhtmltopdf/ which also provides a download called wkhtmltoimage ... which in turn seems to be what you want. cheers, frank\ -- 43rd Law of Computing:

Re: Webpage screenshot

2012-08-05 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: I'm searching for a simple way to create a screenshot from a web page, i. e. convert the rendered page into a PNG (or something similar) graphic format. This is intended to be used for usability and design visualization where

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Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Marco Muskus
El 05/08/12 06:22, Wojciech Puchar escribió: Hi Ashkan, I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. true. it

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Marco Muskus
El 05/08/12 13:03, Wojciech Puchar escribió: I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. The idea that ZFS is

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
really - stick with FreeBSD UFS. it is really best. Yes UFS is very good, but very hight IO ZFS is fastest if you use L2ARC/ZIL on SSD. if... better just move heavy used things on SSD and rest on HDD. really it's fastest. ___

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar
with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the differentiator. true. it is consistently slow. REALLY from what tale do you people get such a statements. There is no tale, only a feature set: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zfs#Features And everything everyone writes is

Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?

2012-08-05 Thread Mario Lobo
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400 Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400 Robert Huff articulated: [Snip] The socialists still feel they are entitled to something for nothing. Jerry; Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence describes

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Anonymous Remailer (austria)
I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS This is not up for discussion. but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. Too many iPads, iPhones, etc? For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk If not spelling, or grammar... and speed

questions on the use of moused for Xorg

2012-08-05 Thread Martin Alejandro Paredes Sanchez
when you must use the parameter -z of moused? I had an Apple Mighty Mouse and I would like to use the track ball (the wheel part) The driver UMS detects the Z Axis and the Wheel [XYZW] ums0: Mitsumi Electric Apple Optical USB Mouse, class 0/0, rev 1.10/1.08, addr 4 on usbus1 ums0: 4 buttons

Re: compare zfs xfs and jfs o

2012-08-05 Thread Daniel Staal
--As of August 5, 2012 10:29:16 AM -0600, Chad Perrin is alleged to have said: I think that XFS JFS are more mature filesystems than ZFS, but the feature set of ZFS i ahead in the future. For a NFS server first I'll go with ZFS because the consistence in disk and speed will gonna be the