Re: Re[2]: "Mounting a drive"

[backyard1454-bsd]

Keep in mind here without special device drivers (I've
heard they exist but have never installed any of them)
you will not be able to mount a "Linux" (linux uses
several different file systems) partition under
Windows XP. Disk Manager will allow an NTFS filesystem
directory mount an arbritrary Volume (a file system
windows supports, fat, fat32, ntfs, maybe hpfs) on
your system to overcome the DOS (it is not a Windows
limitation, Microsoft is still running a 16 bit world)
limitation of 26 drives, 24 of which can be
harddrives.

Mounting isn't really a function of the filesystem
(maybe in Linux it is???) but of the vnode system. It
allows a device (any "specially" configured file) with
a known structure to be referenced within the context
of a root directory structure, superceding
(non-destructively...) whatever was in the mounted
directory prior to the mount. In other words it lets
the partition (I'll keep the spcial files simple) be
seen on a filesystem to people with the appropriate
credentials, and by mounting say /foo with say the
special file /dev/da0s1a anything in /foo will no
longer be seen by the vnode system and instead
anything on /dev/da0s1a will be displayed in it's
place.

It would seem that unless you are installing Linux on
an Fat32 filesystem those partitions would be useless
within windows. You wouldn't be able to even edit
configuration files with Windows (the editors that
come with windows) editors because they will add line
feed (maybe it is carridge returns I always mess this
one up) to the text and Linux won't like that.

Any further help with Linux should be in another
mailling list, but if you want to put FreeBSD on one
of those memory sticks I'm sure we would try to
help...

Windows is just about useless, it doesn't even support
the now 5 year old or so 64-bit processors... I highly
doubt you will find anything but headaches doing what
you seem to be attempting to do with Windows and
GNUnix.

good luck

-brian


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hmm
> 
> Disk Manager - Change Mount Point - Mount Volume to
> a Directory
> 
> Unless I'm misunderstanding, that's what you're
> looking for on the Windows
> side.. 
> 
> --
> Chris
> 
> 
> Quoting Jerry McAllister
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > > 
> > > Many  thanks for reply Jerry, when I joined
> FreeBSD I had not realised
> > > that  it  was  a Linux/ Unix forum, on quick
> inspection I assumed that
> > > the title referred to some kind of general help
> forum. There is such a
> > > proliferation  of  abbreviated  titles  that I
> am not always sure from
> > > titles of their purpose.
> > > 
> > > My  question  referred really to Windows XP, as
> I am only just getting
> > > to grips with Linux.
> > 
> > First of all, it has nothing to do with LINUX.
> > 
> > This is FreeBSD which follows the BSD family of
> UNIX and
> > is not nearly the same.   In fact, most of us
> experience it
> > as superior to LUNIX for server work.
> >Check it out at:   http://www.freebsd.org/
> > 
> > As for any Microsloth stuff, I couldn't help, but
> I would
> > guess that you are wasting your time trying to do
> anything
> > of that sophistication in MS.
> > 
> > Finally, when you post questions or responses on
> the list, you should
> > always include the list in your responses (as a
> cc).
> > 
> > jerry
> > 
> > 
> > > I  had  read  an article recently, which I can
> no longer find, that to
> > > get  around  the  limitation, under windows XP,
> of the number of named
> > > partitions  that  one  can  use,  that 
> apparently  one  can "mount" a
> > > partition,  be  it  a  sector  of a hard drive,
> or a removeable drive,
> > > within  a  directory. ( I believe the article
> said directory, it might
> > > have  ben  a folder ) The article was referring
> to the ability then to
> > > have  a  number of flash drives or external USB
> connected drives which
> > > could exceed the normal Windows limitation.
> > > 
> > > I  am  running  a  piece of software, hyperOS,
> which allows me to have
> > > multiple  bootable partitions, and currently I
> have around 20 on a 300
> > > Gig  hard  drive,  I wanted to add several USB
> memory stick drives and
> > > some partitions with different flavours of
> linux, and so am interested
> > > in  finding  out  how I can overcome the windows
> XP limitation. I felt
> > > that  also  I  needed  to  understand what the
> term "mounting a drive"
> > > actually  meant

Re: Re[2]: "Mounting a drive"

[cknipe]

Hmm

Disk Manager - Change Mount Point - Mount Volume to a Directory

Unless I'm misunderstanding, that's what you're looking for on the Windows
side.. 

--
Chris


Quoting Jerry McAllister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> > 
> > Many  thanks for reply Jerry, when I joined FreeBSD I had not realised
> > that  it  was  a Linux/ Unix forum, on quick inspection I assumed that
> > the title referred to some kind of general help forum. There is such a
> > proliferation  of  abbreviated  titles  that I am not always sure from
> > titles of their purpose.
> > 
> > My  question  referred really to Windows XP, as I am only just getting
> > to grips with Linux.
> 
> First of all, it has nothing to do with LINUX.
> 
> This is FreeBSD which follows the BSD family of UNIX and
> is not nearly the same.   In fact, most of us experience it
> as superior to LUNIX for server work.
>Check it out at:   http://www.freebsd.org/
> 
> As for any Microsloth stuff, I couldn't help, but I would
> guess that you are wasting your time trying to do anything
> of that sophistication in MS.
> 
> Finally, when you post questions or responses on the list, you should
> always include the list in your responses (as a cc).
> 
> jerry
> 
> 
> > I  had  read  an article recently, which I can no longer find, that to
> > get  around  the  limitation, under windows XP, of the number of named
> > partitions  that  one  can  use,  that  apparently  one  can "mount" a
> > partition,  be  it  a  sector  of a hard drive, or a removeable drive,
> > within  a  directory. ( I believe the article said directory, it might
> > have  ben  a folder ) The article was referring to the ability then to
> > have  a  number of flash drives or external USB connected drives which
> > could exceed the normal Windows limitation.
> > 
> > I  am  running  a  piece of software, hyperOS, which allows me to have
> > multiple  bootable partitions, and currently I have around 20 on a 300
> > Gig  hard  drive,  I wanted to add several USB memory stick drives and
> > some partitions with different flavours of linux, and so am interested
> > in  finding  out  how I can overcome the windows XP limitation. I felt
> > that  also  I  needed  to  understand what the term "mounting a drive"
> > actually  meant,  so  that  I  could  try  to  anticipate  any unusual
> > behaviour,  particularly  with  boot  switching.  From  your  email it
> > appears  that  "mounting"  implies  letting the device driver know the
> > address of the device upon which it is to work.
> > 
> > Best regards and thanks for reply,
> > Richard
> > 
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Re[2]: "Mounting a drive"

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Many  thanks for reply Jerry, when I joined FreeBSD I had not realised
> that  it  was  a Linux/ Unix forum, on quick inspection I assumed that
> the title referred to some kind of general help forum. There is such a
> proliferation  of  abbreviated  titles  that I am not always sure from
> titles of their purpose.
> 
> My  question  referred really to Windows XP, as I am only just getting
> to grips with Linux.

First of all, it has nothing to do with LINUX.

This is FreeBSD which follows the BSD family of UNIX and
is not nearly the same.   In fact, most of us experience it
as superior to LUNIX for server work.
   Check it out at:   http://www.freebsd.org/

As for any Microsloth stuff, I couldn't help, but I would
guess that you are wasting your time trying to do anything
of that sophistication in MS.

Finally, when you post questions or responses on the list, you should
always include the list in your responses (as a cc).

jerry


> I  had  read  an article recently, which I can no longer find, that to
> get  around  the  limitation, under windows XP, of the number of named
> partitions  that  one  can  use,  that  apparently  one  can "mount" a
> partition,  be  it  a  sector  of a hard drive, or a removeable drive,
> within  a  directory. ( I believe the article said directory, it might
> have  ben  a folder ) The article was referring to the ability then to
> have  a  number of flash drives or external USB connected drives which
> could exceed the normal Windows limitation.
> 
> I  am  running  a  piece of software, hyperOS, which allows me to have
> multiple  bootable partitions, and currently I have around 20 on a 300
> Gig  hard  drive,  I wanted to add several USB memory stick drives and
> some partitions with different flavours of linux, and so am interested
> in  finding  out  how I can overcome the windows XP limitation. I felt
> that  also  I  needed  to  understand what the term "mounting a drive"
> actually  meant,  so  that  I  could  try  to  anticipate  any unusual
> behaviour,  particularly  with  boot  switching.  From  your  email it
> appears  that  "mounting"  implies  letting the device driver know the
> address of the device upon which it is to work.
> 
> Best regards and thanks for reply,
> Richard
> 
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: "Mounting a drive"

[Jerry McAllister]

> 
> Hallo 
> Could  someone  explain  exactly what is meant by "mounting" a disk. I
> understand  that it is making a disk available for use, but would like
> to understand the implications of the term and what abilities it
> confers.

Mounting connects the mount point to the device driver.
After the mount, references to the mount point, cause it to 
talk to the device driver.

> Part  of  the  purpose of the question is that I am trying to find out
> how  I  can  have more partitions and detachable drives than there are
> letters in the alphabet.

I don't know what you mean by detachable drives - do you mean removable,
hot-swap, unmount-able,  whatever?

Any drive - except root can be unmounted.   You can mount only the 
filesystems you want to use at the time, regardless of how many
physical drives are connected to the box.

On each disk device whether single drive or raid, you are allowed up 
to 4 slices (1-4) and within each slice, 8 partitions (a-h).  But, 
partition c is generally reserved.   A partition is turned in to a
filesystem with the newfs(8) utility.  You can have as many drives as 
your controllers can talk to.   

Every filesystem refers to a single partition.   A partition/filesystem
is unseen by the system except for some utilities that talk to devices 
directly such as fsck(8) or dd(1) unless it is mounted.

jerry

> 
> Best Regards,
> Richard Shoebridge
> 
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Re: "Mounting a drive"

[Fabian Keil]

rs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could  someone  explain  exactly what is meant by "mounting" a disk. I
> understand  that it is making a disk available for use, but would like
> to understand the implications of the term and what abilities it
> confers.


 
> Part  of  the  purpose of the question is that I am trying to find out
> how  I  can  have more partitions and detachable drives than there are
> letters in the alphabet.

FreeBSD has no "number of letters in the alphabet" limitation.
Are you aware of the fact that this isn't a Windows specific mailing
list?

Fabian
-- 
http://www.fabiankeil.de/


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"Mounting a drive"

[rs]

Hallo 
Could  someone  explain  exactly what is meant by "mounting" a disk. I
understand  that it is making a disk available for use, but would like
to understand the implications of the term and what abilities it
confers.

Part  of  the  purpose of the question is that I am trying to find out
how  I  can  have more partitions and detachable drives than there are
letters in the alphabet.

Best Regards,
Richard Shoebridge


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