Re: AMD vs Intel

2004-04-24 Thread Harald Schmalzbauer
Am Samstag, 24. April 2004 03:51 schrieb Marc G. Fournier:
 I'm looking at picking up the following:

 Intel Technology Server
 Chassis Intel SC1300 1U Rack
 MainBoard: Intel SE7501WV2SCSI
 Ram memory: 4 x 1 GB
 Processor: 2  x  Xeon 3.06 Ghz
 Discos Duros: 3x Seagate ST336607KLC
 Intel: SRCZR
 CD-ROM: 52x
 Floppy: 3.5
 Monitor, Mouse  Keyboard: Not Included


 Now, I've been hearing alot of how AMD tends to perform better, but I have
 zero experience with AMD ... I'm curious as to what those with experience
 with AMD would be considered:

   1. equivalent in power to the Xeon 3.06Ghz
   2. a rackmount/motherboard they would recommend for a server

I just can tell you that AMD has proofen their reliability in a lot of server 
environments of my friends and since everything after 
coppermine/tualatin/M/dothan... INTELs do consume at least the same power and 
with the northwood core much more power than performance equivalent AMDs.
So in my opinion these are all ineligible for servers but that's another 
story.
I'd take the AMD and reinvest the saved money in very good coolers
And of corse there is the bright new 64-bit world..
No long-term behaviour nor productive environment experiences but I only hear 
positive stories...

-Harry


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Re: AMD vs Intel

2004-04-24 Thread MIchael Alexander
Hey Marc:
Five of the six computers in my home office / conservatory are AMD's.
They do run a little hotter than Intel, but they are cheaper to buy, and
I'm a certified cheap-skate. Now the question Why do I have sooo many
computers? I just do.


On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 18:51, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
 I'm looking at picking up the following:
 
 Intel Technology Server
 Chassis Intel SC1300 1U Rack
 MainBoard: Intel SE7501WV2SCSI
 Ram memory: 4 x 1 GB
 Processor: 2  x  Xeon 3.06 Ghz
 Discos Duros: 3x Seagate ST336607KLC
 Intel: SRCZR
 CD-ROM: 52x
 Floppy: 3.5
 Monitor, Mouse  Keyboard: Not Included
 
 
 Now, I've been hearing alot of how AMD tends to perform better, but I have
 zero experience with AMD ... I'm curious as to what those with experience
 with AMD would be considered:
 
   1. equivalent in power to the Xeon 3.06Ghz
   2. a rackmount/motherboard they would recommend for a server
 
 Thanks ...
 
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AMD vs Intel

2004-04-23 Thread Marc G. Fournier

I'm looking at picking up the following:

Intel Technology Server
Chassis Intel SC1300 1U Rack
MainBoard: Intel SE7501WV2SCSI
Ram memory: 4 x 1 GB
Processor: 2  x  Xeon 3.06 Ghz
Discos Duros: 3x Seagate ST336607KLC
Intel: SRCZR
CD-ROM: 52x
Floppy: 3.5
Monitor, Mouse  Keyboard: Not Included


Now, I've been hearing alot of how AMD tends to perform better, but I have
zero experience with AMD ... I'm curious as to what those with experience
with AMD would be considered:

1. equivalent in power to the Xeon 3.06Ghz
2. a rackmount/motherboard they would recommend for a server

Thanks ...

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-03-04 Thread Francisco
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all our
 current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are so
 much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
 offer as comparable ...

 Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)

Marc,

Although nothing I have ever worked with comes even remotely close to what
you are going to torture this new machine with I wanted to throw in my
$0.02.. and mostly subjective testing at that

I had been using nothing but AMD for a few years. Recently I bought a few
machines from a local vendor and they are an Intel shop. These machines
have faster CPUs that most of my other AMD machines yet felt less
responsive with FreeBSD.

I think that the entire subsystem should be taken into consideration:
chipset, ECC memory, memory speed, disk subsystem, etc..

Just so you get a feeling for what I am talking about... Most of my AMD
machines FreeBSD/Windows were 500Mhz to 1Ghz. The two Intel I bought for 2
clients were 2+Ghz Intel Pentium 4. Although I have not done custom
kernels for those machines I find it interesting that they would Feel
slower than machines that are half as fast. I can only guess that
something in the subsystems of these new machines is slower than
in the AMD machines.

Given your environment I think 2+ CPUs with ECC and a good disk subsystem
would be good. Raid 1+0 makes a huge difference in performance (at least
in my testing). Perhaps you could do your DB 1+0 and everything else Raid
5 (which is what I think you have).

Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up having
a VM in it someday. :-)
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-03-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:

 Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
 having a VM in it someday. :-)

actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)


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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-03-04 Thread Francisco Reyes
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:

  Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
  having a VM in it someday. :-)

 actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)


Something I have always wondered.. When you move to a machine or install a
new VM do you keep the /etc/newsyslog.conf file?
I have added some lines there. Should I back it up?
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-03-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco Reyes wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

  On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Francisco wrote:
 
   Hope things work out with this new machine.. who knows I may end up
   having a VM in it someday. :-)
 
  actually, you'd be one ofthe first moved over to it :)


 Something I have always wondered.. When you move to a machine or install a
 new VM do you keep the /etc/newsyslog.conf file?
 I have added some lines there. Should I back it up?

Any config files that you happen to modify in the VM itself is backed
up/moved to the new server ... simple rsync of your root directory down


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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Chuck Swiger
Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote: 
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.

I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 (Shuttle AK39N 
w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which is one third the cost of 
your dual-proc MB, although obviously one can spend more on either type.

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 10, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need 
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a 
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Hi, Chad--

I've got a Shuttle AK31v3 motherboard which does registered+ECC memory, 
which is a single-proc motherboard:

System Mainboard
Manufacturer : HOLCO (Shuttle)
MP Support : No
Model : VT8366-8233
BIOS ID : 04/17/2002-VT8366-8233-6A6LVH2CC-00
Chipset : VIA KT266/A Chipset
[ ... ]
Logical/Chipset Memory Banks
Bank 0 Setting : 128MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Bank 1 Setting : 128MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Bank 2 Setting : 256MB DDR-SDRAM Registered 8-1-1-1R 4-1-1-1W 2.5-3-3CL 
1CMD
Speed : 2x 133MHz (266MHz data rate)
Multiplier : 1/1x

Memory Modules
Memory Module 1 : Micron 18VDDT3272DG-265Z1 080EBD07 256MB 18x(16Mx8) 
ECC
DDR-SDRAM PC2100R-2533-750 (CL2.5 upto 133MHz) (CL2 upto 100MHz)
Memory Module 2 : Micron 9VDDT3272G-265B2 1B1B108E 256MB 9x(32Mx8) ECC
DDR-SDRAM PC2100R-2533-750 (CL2.5 upto 133MHz) (CL2 upto 100MHz)

...but you are right that ECC support is quite uncommon for AMD 
motherboards.

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Marc Wiz
On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 10:58:34AM -0700, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
 
 On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:
 
 Marc Wiz wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
 OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
 but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
 dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
 2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
 Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
 MP-capable motherboard.
 Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
 I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
 
 You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
 (Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which is 
 one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one can 
 spend more on either type.
 
 
 Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need 
 to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a 
 board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.

That's exactly why I bought that board.  I already had ECC memory.

Marc
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Kenneth Culver
Quoting Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which 
is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one 
can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.
Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Kenneth Culver wrote:

Quoting Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, 
but be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for 
dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 
2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a 
Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional costs for a 
MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), which 
is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although obviously one 
can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards 
and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.

Which is why I said (not AMD64)

Chad

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Kenneth Culver
Quoting Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Kenneth Culver wrote:

Quoting Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 5:25 AM, Chuck Swiger wrote:

Marc Wiz wrote:
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty 
significant, but be aware that you'll also pay a significant 
premium for dual-proc hardware versus single-proc machines: 
compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz 
Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor in the additional 
costs for a MP-capable motherboard.
Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.
I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.
You can get a decent single-proc AMD motherboard for about $55 
(Shuttle AK39N w/ VIA KT400 + VT8235, onboard LAN and audio), 
which is one third the cost of your dual-proc MB, although 
obviously one can spend more on either type.

Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you need
to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who makes a
board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Unless you buy one of the single processor athlon 64/opteron boards 
and get an
opteron/athlon 64 fx chip.

Which is why I said (not AMD64)
yeah, I saw that right after I responded :-P

Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-10 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Feb 10, 2004, at 11:13 AM, Charles Swiger wrote:

On Feb 10, 2004, at 12:58 PM, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
Just a note:  If you want ECC with an AMD Athlon (not AMD64), you 
need to buy a dual board anyway, since I don't know of anyone who 
makes a board with a chipset that supports ECC that isn't a dual.
Hi, Chad--

I've got a Shuttle AK31v3 motherboard which does registered+ECC 
memory, which is a single-proc motherboard:

System Mainboard
Manufacturer : HOLCO (Shuttle)
MP Support : No
Model : VT8366-8233
BIOS ID : 04/17/2002-VT8366-8233-6A6LVH2CC-00
Chipset : VIA KT266/A Chipset
Hmm, that must have been a KT266A (versus KT266) feature.

Anyone know of any current AMD Athlon motherboards with chipsets that 
support ECC that are not dual MB?  The KT266A is an older chipset.

The AMD 760 series of chipsets support ECC but you only find these in 
dual motherboards usually.  I have the Gigabyte dual and it seems to 
work great with the Gentoo Linux installed on it (needed it for some 
specialized Java stuff) and I also have some Tyan Tiger MP (not MPX) 
and they run great with FreeBSD.

Thanks
Chad
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AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Marc G. Fournier

G'day all ...

  Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server, and
want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
equivalent to an AMD ... ??

Thanks ...


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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
G'day all ...

  Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server, 
and
want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
equivalent to an AMD ... ??
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking 
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)  An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz 
CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities 
and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from 
www.spec.org's spec2000int:

Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792
...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does 
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you 
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Kenneth Culver
Quoting Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
G'day all ...

  Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server, and
want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
equivalent to an AMD ... ??
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)  An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz
CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities
and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from
www.spec.org's spec2000int:
Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792
...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?
If I remember correctly though, the fp numbers are for SSE on the Xeon, and not
the regular old FPU, p4 based machines are horrible when it comes to
non-SSE/SSE2 type stuff.
Ken
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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Charles Swiger wrote:

 On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
  G'day all ...
 
Simple question, I would hope ... I want to spec out a new server,
  and
  want to compare AMD vs Intel ... is there anything online that gives
  approx equivalents?  ie. a Xeon 2.4Ghz processor would be approx
  equivalent to an AMD ... ??

 I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
 whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)

Actually, I wasn't asking which one was better though :)  I'm only curious
as to how I can compare the two ... its kinda like Sun vs Intel ... I know
that the Sun should usually outperform Intel on fp, but Intel tends to do
a pretty good job against Sun on int operations ...

 An Intel Xeon 2.4GHz
 CPU approximately resembles an AMD 2400MP CPU in terms of capabilities
 and performance.  By this I mean they get very similar scores from
 www.spec.org's spec2000int:

 Epox 8KHA+, AMD Athlon XP 2400+: 782
 Dell PowerEdge 2650 (2.4 GHz Xeon): 792

 ...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
 better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
 require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this machine?

Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all our
current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are so
much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
offer as comparable ...

Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)



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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 9, 2004, at 1:20 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Charles Swiger wrote:
I know you're not a troll, Marc, but this question is much like asking
whether emacs or vi makes a better editor.  :-)
Actually, I wasn't asking which one was better though :)  I'm only 
curious
as to how I can compare the two ... its kinda like Sun vs Intel ... I 
know
that the Sun should usually outperform Intel on fp, but Intel tends to 
do
a pretty good job against Sun on int operations ...
I'd tend to agree, and Kenneth also, it seems-- the raw FP performance 
of the P4s is kinda pokey compared to their int performance.  But 
whether that matters depends on what tasks you're doing.

...although the spec2000fp numbers are 641 vs. 726, so the Xeon does
better at floating point.  For that particular test, anyway.  Do you
require SMP capabilities?  What are you trying to do with this 
machine?
Server environment, Dual Processor ... web/mail/ftp generally ... all 
our
current servers are Intel based, but looking at the costs, the AMD are 
so
much cheaper, just figured for next one I'd check out what AMD had to
offer as comparable ...

Just trying to do some comparison shopping ... :)
OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.

Are your machines especially busy, ie CPU-bound?  Two 2.4GHz processors 
is a lot of computing horsepower, although dynamic web content 
generation or virus scanning can be resource intensive if there's 
enough traffic...

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Re: AMD vs Intel ...

2004-02-09 Thread Marc Wiz
On Mon, Feb 09, 2004 at 01:53:38PM -0500, Charles Swiger wrote:
 
 OK.  The price difference for AMD vs. Intel is pretty significant, but 
 be aware that you'll also pay a significant premium for dual-proc 
 hardware versus single-proc machines: compare an AMD 2400MP versus the 
 2400XP price, or the 2.4GHz Xeon P4 vs. a Northwood P4, and then factor 
 in the additional costs for a MP-capable motherboard.

Try about $159 for a dual processor motherboard from Tyan.

I just bought a S2466 for about that much brand new.

Marc

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