Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:27:08AM +0200, Jerome Herman wrote: Most androids phone already do have a quite useful and complete shell, the main problem is that most phone are actually root locked. Namely you cannot get any access to nay interesting without getting an access denied. There are tools that will break this protection and grant you root access on the phone, but they are to be used with caution, and most of the time you must first degrade your OS to an older version in order for them to work. It's worse than that. Android does not, by default, give access to some very basic tools to which even non-root users are accustomed to having access. Consider cat, for instance. So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor lock stuff. There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpqpqAQHv7qv.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin: So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor lock stuff. There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications. HTC is removing the root lock protection soon. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:30:08PM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin: So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor lock stuff. There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications. HTC is removing the root lock protection soon. I'd heard that about HTC -- and an HTC smartphone might be what I choose to replace my current device in another year or so. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpchqHBeTKPM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings it might be somewhat useful to me ... There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com escribió: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings it might be somewhat useful to me ... There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). Why do you want to use the closed Android if there is an OpenSource, Linux based cellphone, having shell, X11, GPS, GPRS, Wifi, USB ethernet, x11vnc, ... etc. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt HIH matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:48:46AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote: El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com escribió: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings it might be somewhat useful to me ... There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). Why do you want to use the closed Android if there is an OpenSource, Linux based cellphone, having shell, X11, GPS, GPRS, Wifi, USB ethernet, x11vnc, ... etc. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page http://www.unixarea.de/openmoko.txt I considered that. Unfortunately, it does not suffice. The OpenMoko project suffers some pretty significant hardware issues -- such as, in some cases, lack of necessary hardware to achieve anything close to functionality parity with common Android devices. It does not even provide G3 access, which is a minimal piece of functionality for a smartphone to be worth having, according to my preferences at least. I wish circumstances were different. I would much prefer something like OpenMoko if it provided what I needed. I would even accept a slightly slower processor, no accelerometer, no GPS, and several other shortcomings compared to the hardware in my current Android smartphone, but the lack of G3 support -- especially in combination to some hardware quality issues that have come up for several people I know who have OpenMoko devices mouldering in drawers right now -- ensures it is not worth my while to spend real money on one. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpwORf6ldLsV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings it might be somewhat useful to me ... There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). If I had more time, I might write an entire replacement userland for it and offer it in the Android Market, but I do not have that kind of time. If you want to pay me a living wage to work on it, though, I will happily find the time. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpuVEaWvTZ73.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Android (Re: 2020: Will BSD and Linux be relevant anymore?)
On 24/07/2011 15:41, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: There_is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access to bash (and thence any other desired command-line tools). Most androids phone already do have a quite useful and complete shell, the main problem is that most phone are actually root locked. Namely you cannot get any access to nay interesting without getting an access denied. There are tools that will break this protection and grant you root access on the phone, but they are to be used with caution, and most of the time you must first degrade your OS to an older version in order for them to work. So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor lock stuff. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
