Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:57:58 -0800,
Don O'Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

 With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if
 it's really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory
 utilization, speed, stability, etc...
 
 So, my question is this... If you were building a brand new 6.3/7.0
 server with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of
 known compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...)
 what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides
 UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues
 when there are power hits?

May be UFS + gjournal.
I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine.

Regards.
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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar

what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides
UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues
when there are power hits?


May be UFS + gjournal.
I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine.

is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i wrong?
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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Ivan Voras
Wojciech Puchar wrote:
 what file system would you choose? What options are out there besides
 UFS and ZFS? What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues
 when there are power hits?

 May be UFS + gjournal.
 I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine.
 is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i wrong?

It writes everything twice :)

(but every journaling system has to write something twice)



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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine.

is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i wrong?


It writes everything twice :)

(but every journaling system has to write something twice)


there is a big difference between something (metadata, short data 
writes and everything (like huge file data)

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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:21:19 +0100 (CET),
Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

  I use gjournal since FreeBSD 7.0 and it seems to work fine.
  is it really smart enough to not write everything twice or am i
  wrong?
 
  It writes everything twice :)
 
  (but every journaling system has to write something twice)
 
 there is a big difference between something (metadata, short data 
 writes and everything (like huge file data)

I don't know how Gjournal works, but it works below the filesystem (so
i think it is not aware of metadata), see
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-June/064043.html

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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-03 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I don't know how Gjournal works, but it works below the filesystem (so

  ^^
next lines shows you actually know.
thanks for answer, for me it's definitely not worth using, i would prefer 
waiting for fsck every few months or less than to have much slower writes



i think it is not aware of metadata), see
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-June/064043.html



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Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Don O'Neil
With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's
really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization,
speed, stability, etc...

So, my question is this... If you were building a brand new 6.3/7.0 server
with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of known
compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file
system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS?
What FS's are least likely to have corruption issues when there are power
hits?

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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Wojciech Puchar

With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's
really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization,

no


speed, stability, etc...

So, my question is this... If you were building a brand new 6.3/7.0 server
with decent performance (dual core, 32 Bit OS - because of known
compatibility issues with specific software, 4 GB RAM, etc...) what file
system would you choose? What options are out there besides UFS and ZFS?


i use UFS everywhere. it's ACTUALLY high performance, just lacking ZFS 
fancy features.

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Re: Best Journaling File System - ZFS/???

2008-12-02 Thread Dan
Don O'Neil([EMAIL PROTECTED])@2008.12.02 08:57:58 -0800:
 With all the discussions of ZFS lately, I'm beginning to wonder if it's
 really ready for a production environment. Concerns over memory utilization,
 speed, stability, etc...


From everything I've read people use it in production successfully, but
not without some tweaking or testing.

That said, I would love to see XFS ported. IIRC you can't resize gvinum
volumes on the fly either, if that's the case, that would also be a nice
feature.

On Linux I can resize LVM volumes, and then resize a live XFS without
having to unmount it. Takes seconds.
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