Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-17 Thread Robert Huff

Olivier Nicole writes:

>  > What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching
>  > sources and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries
>  > (like Debian) only?
>  
>  I'd say that installing from the source is part of the phylosophy
>  of FreeBSD. There are pre-compiled packages, but as I see them,
>  they are only designed to be bootstrap, not to be used on a long
>  term basis.

While I strongly favor the "roll you own" approach, not every
one has the time or patience to sit through building some of the
larger applications like Java or KDE/GNOME or (worst of all)
OpenOffice.  In those limited cases, installing by package makes
sense.


Robert Huff

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Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-17 Thread Brent Clark

I have been using Debian for some years and have gotten tired by
system freezes, having a slow system, and having a package system that
requires that I install every skin of KDE to get KDE up and running.

I hope FreeBSD will be better! :-)


Hiya

Im all for one compiling software for ones self, BUT the fact that you 
mention system freezes and a slow system is very suspect.


Its in your best interest to get a live cd and run memcheck and more 
importantly check your hardware.


Also have you check your machine, by using system tools such as

top, netstat, vmstat, iostat, lsof etc, basically to check what your 
machine is doing and whats it up too.


HTH

Regards
Brent Clark
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Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-17 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

> What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching
> sources and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries
> (like Debian) only?

I'd say that installing from the source is part of the phylosophy of
FreeBSD. There are pre-compiled packages, but as I see them, they are
only designed to be bootstrap, not to be used on a long term basis.

Best regards,

olivier
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Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-17 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 02:11:32 +0100 (CET), "Daniel"  
wrote:
> Hi list
>
> This may be a basic question, but a question non the less.
>
> I have been using Debian for some years and have gotten tired by
> system freezes, having a slow system, and having a package system that
> requires that I install every skin of KDE to get KDE up and running.
>
> I hope FreeBSD will be better! :-)
>
> What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching
> sources and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries
> (like Debian) only?

Yes.  The `Ports' system can be used to compile your own packages.
Build-time options can be set either to the defaults or to a local
customization of those defaults.

You can find more information about the Ports system by reading the
ports(7) manpage or the relevant Handbook section:

  http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

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Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-16 Thread Ivan "Rambius" Ivanov
Hello

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 3:11 AM, Daniel  wrote:
> Hi list
>
> This may be a basic question, but a question non the less.
>
> I have been using Debian for some years and have gotten tired by system 
> freezes, having a slow system, and having a package system that requires that 
> I install every skin of KDE to get KDE up and running.
>
> I hope FreeBSD will be better! :-)
>
> What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching sources 
> and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries (like Debian) 
> only?

You can get the system's sources using csup or cvsup, please check the
handbook at [1]. The system consist of the kernel and the world. You
can rebuild the kernel and the world following [2].

For applications such as KDE you can use the ports tree or install the
as packages. These options are described at [3].

Regards
Rambius

P.S. I do not understand what you mean with "getting binaries like
Debian only". As far as I remember in (but I may be wrong) Debian
using its package management system you can build pretty much
everything and it treats even the linux kernel as a package. This is
different in FreeBSD - you do not install the kernel as a package or
port.

[1] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html
[2] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html
[3] http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html

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Re: Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-16 Thread Mike Jeays

-- 

On March 16, 2009 09:11:32 pm Daniel wrote:
> Hi list
>
> This may be a basic question, but a question non the less.
>
> I have been using Debian for some years and have gotten tired by system
> freezes, having a slow system, and having a package system that requires
> that I install every skin of KDE to get KDE up and running.
>
> I hope FreeBSD will be better! :-)
>
> What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching
> sources and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries
> (like Debian) only?
>
> Thanks in advanced.

You can do either one. The ports system automates source download, compilation 
and installation.  The package system fetches and installs pre-compiled 
binaries. Take your pick.

Mike Jeays
http://www.jeays.ca
http://www.rotarycpmm.ca

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Compiling everything myself?

2009-03-16 Thread Daniel
Hi list

This may be a basic question, but a question non the less.

I have been using Debian for some years and have gotten tired by system 
freezes, having a slow system, and having a package system that requires that I 
install every skin of KDE to get KDE up and running.

I hope FreeBSD will be better! :-)

What I want to know is the following: Do I get the option of fetching sources 
and running through a guided compilation; or do I get binaries (like Debian) 
only?

Thanks in advanced. 
-- 
Daniel
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