Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread NetOpsCenter

Aloha,

I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening 
its code for development of its operating system.
Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way 
to go?


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Re: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Erich Dollansky

Hi,

NetOpsCenter wrote:

Aloha,

I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening 
its code for development of its operating system.
Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way 
to go?


they use this just as another form of outsourcing.

As long as they get the work done and still can charge for their 
programs, why not?


Isn't Microsoft doing some kind of open source stuff since some time?

Erich
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RE: [SDBUG] Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Jeremiah Gowdy
Super massive cross-post activate!


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Aloha,

I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening 
its code for development of its operating system.
Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way 
to go?

~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii -  Phone:  808-284-2740
  + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + [EMAIL PROTECTED] +
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Re: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening its 
code for development of its operating system.
Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way to 
go?


yes. look at linux as an example.
this will make windows even slower, even more buggy - thats exactly what 
hardware producers like.

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FW: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Fidel Garcia
Why do you think hardware producers will like that?


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Subject: Re: Did Microsoft give up?

 I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening its 
 code for development of its operating system.
 Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way to

 go?

yes. look at linux as an example.
this will make windows even slower, even more buggy - thats exactly what 
hardware producers like.
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Re: [LUAU] Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Jim Thompson


On Feb 21, 2008, at 7:20 AM, NetOpsCenter wrote:


Aloha,

I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is  
opening its code for development of its operating system.
Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best  
way to go?



No.

Its more get the EU off our backs and control the message.
here are the key, tangible actions Microsoft details in their  
announcement:


* Ensuring open connections to Microsoft’s high-volume products, where  
high-volume means:


	Windows Vista (including the .NET Framework), Windows Server 2008,  
SQL Server 2008, Office 2007, Exchange Server 2007, and Office  
SharePoint Server 2007, and future versions of all these products.


Note that you'll need 'new software' to get the open connections.

* Documenting how Microsoft supports industry standards and extensions
* Enhancing Office 2007 to provide greater flexibility of document  
formats

* Launching the Open Source Interoperability Initiative
* Expanding industry outreach and dialogue.

Looking deeper into the announcement, much of what Microsoft’s doing  
is providing a more accessible platform for third-party developers to  
tap into their ecosystem of multi-billion dollar software franchises.  
For example, the company is launching APIs for Word, Excel, and  
Powerpoint, and publishing tens of thousands of pieces of  
documentation to its MSDN site.


They're playing the same game with a new mask.

They'll license their patented protocols to all comers at low,  
reasonable rates.


They have stated that they won't sue open source developers that make  
products that connect to theirs.


They have also stated that they won't sue open source developers or  
non-commercial  distributors of software that uses their protocols.
If you're RedHat, or a company that uses Debian or Ubuntu, you still  
have to license their patents.


They did not vet' Open Source as a development process.   They did  
not vet Free Software in any way, shape or form.


Don't believe anything you see on TV.  Here is the actual PR from  
MSFT: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/feb08/02-21ExpandInteroperabilityPR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases 



Jim


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Re: FW: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar

Why do you think hardware producers will like that?


slowest system, and frequent new versions even slower, requiring constant 
buying new hardware

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Re: FW: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
Why do you think hardware producers will like that?

slowest system, and frequent new versions even slower, requiring constant 
buying new hardware

Much the same reason IBM like[ds] JCL on main frames.  Every time
somebody messed it up, it required more computer time on their
iron.  The army of ``systems engineers'' required to feed the
beasts also benefit from the unnecessary complexity.

Bill
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Re: Did Microsoft give up?

2008-02-21 Thread B H

NetOpsCenter 48799160 %m:

Aloha,

I just saw on TV news that Micro$oft has announced that it is opening 
its code for development of its operating system.


God.

Does this mean the Open Source Community has proved itself the best way 
to go?


Yes.
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