Re: Dual boot problems (RESOLVED)
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:46:18 -0800 Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. I'm not sure why gag is i386 only, all it does is install a binary floppy disk ISO. You can also install it from many Linux live CDs. Once it's installed it's independent of the original installation medium. Probably because architecture stuff and bit length in 32-bit is half :)? Instruction set's a bit different too. There are some new features in the new Intel processors like overflow protection, etc, so I wouldn't doubt there are differences in ISA at the assembler level. No, at the point Gag runs, the CPU isn't even 32-bit, let alone 64-bit. The port just extracts a precompiled ISO file. It won't run on anything that isn't PC compatible, so it isn't actually platform independent, but it should run on any CPU with a real mode. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems
Howdy, Hello, This weekend I purchased a laptop with a core2duo processor. The laptop came with windows Vista premier. Due to some applications that I require, removing Vista and installing FreeBSD is not an issue. (Please leave the Vista/Microsoft flames at the door) When I install FreeBSD/i386, I can then install grub (instead of FreeBSD's bootloader) and I can have grub chainload the Vista bootloader. All works fine. However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. Do you really need to use Grub to replace the FreeBSD MBR? I haven't had my hands on Vista yet - in no hurry either - but I think it should boot Vista OK. I've use it for several other MS versions from Win-95 - Win 2K - Xp-Pro and it works just fine. I haven't heard that any low level boot code (at the level the MBR works) has been changed in Vista, though I haven't been out looking yet either. I would be interested to know if they have changed the BIOS to MBR to boot sector handoff specs if something has happened to it. jerry Has anyone successfully been able to dual boot Vista + FreeBSD/amd64? I'm eager to have both on the laptop, however I've spent the entire weekend scouring google, and reinstalling both freebsd (i386 and amd64 versions) and have reinstalled vista at least 8 times. I've already thought about using the windows bootloader, but Vista has done away with NTLDR/boot.ini in favor of BCD. editing BCD seems non-trivial at best, and frankly I'm getting tired of reinstalling OS's; so I thought I'd ask around instead of reinventing the wheel. Thank you in advance for any advice, or input. Also thanks in advance for leaving the irrelevant MS hatred out of the thread. - Jeff Palmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems
On Wed, Feb 14, 2007 at 12:04:57PM -0500, Jeff Palmer wrote: Do you really need to use Grub to replace the FreeBSD MBR? I haven't had my hands on Vista yet - in no hurry either - but I think it should boot Vista OK. I've use it for several other MS versions from Win-95 - Win 2K - Xp-Pro and it works just fine. I haven't heard that any low level boot code (at the level the MBR works) has been changed in Vista, though I haven't been out looking yet either. I would be interested to know if they have changed the BIOS to MBR to boot sector handoff specs if something has happened to it. jerry Jerry, I can confirm the FreeBSD bootloader does *not* work with vista.from my research, it appears vista now writes some kind of signature or hash into the MBR for the bitlocker technology.if you modify the MBR with a bootloader (that doesn't chainload) then the checksum/hash doesn't match, and vista complains that the drive/data is corrupted. It will not boot. Geez. Damn cretins. Just another attempt to jerk the user around and strongarm control the use of the system. Thanks for the info. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dual boot problems
Hello, This weekend I purchased a laptop with a core2duo processor. The laptop came with windows Vista premier. Due to some applications that I require, removing Vista and installing FreeBSD is not an issue. (Please leave the Vista/Microsoft flames at the door) When I install FreeBSD/i386, I can then install grub (instead of FreeBSD's bootloader) and I can have grub chainload the Vista bootloader. All works fine. However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. Has anyone successfully been able to dual boot Vista + FreeBSD/amd64? I'm eager to have both on the laptop, however I've spent the entire weekend scouring google, and reinstalling both freebsd (i386 and amd64 versions) and have reinstalled vista at least 8 times. I've already thought about using the windows bootloader, but Vista has done away with NTLDR/boot.ini in favor of BCD. editing BCD seems non-trivial at best, and frankly I'm getting tired of reinstalling OS's; so I thought I'd ask around instead of reinventing the wheel. Thank you in advance for any advice, or input. Also thanks in advance for leaving the irrelevant MS hatred out of the thread. - Jeff Palmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems
On 2/13/07, Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This weekend I purchased a laptop with a core2duo processor. The laptop came with windows Vista premier. Due to some applications that I require, removing Vista and installing FreeBSD is not an issue. (Please leave the Vista/Microsoft flames at the door) When I install FreeBSD/i386, I can then install grub (instead of FreeBSD's bootloader) and I can have grub chainload the Vista bootloader. All works fine. However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. to make sure i understand this correctly, you can install FreeBSD (assuming 6.1-RELEASE)/amd64 on your system but am having problems compiling grub in this environment from the ports tree? it looks like grub may only build correctly on i386 systems, but you may be able to define your cpu as a 32bit arch in /etc/make.conf while trying to build grub to see if that works. i've never had to do this though, but it's worth a shot. -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. I'm not sure why gag is i386 only, all it does is install a binary floppy disk ISO. You can also install it from many Linux live CDs. Once it's installed it's independent of the original installation medium. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems
On 2/13/07, Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This weekend I purchased a laptop with a core2duo processor. The laptop came with windows Vista premier. Due to some applications that I require, removing Vista and installing FreeBSD is not an issue. (Please leave the Vista/Microsoft flames at the door) When I install FreeBSD/i386, I can then install grub (instead of FreeBSD's bootloader) and I can have grub chainload the Vista bootloader. All works fine. However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. to make sure i understand this correctly, you can install FreeBSD (assuming 6.1-RELEASE)/amd64 on your system but am having problems compiling grub in this environment from the ports tree? it looks like grub may only build correctly on i386 systems, but you may be able to define your cpu as a 32bit arch in /etc/make.conf while trying to build grub to see if that works. i've never had to do this though, but it's worth a shot. -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:4,45d26f9c8487852311823! Thanks for the fast reply, Pete. It's actually 6.2-RELEASE/amd64, and I have tried compiling grub with the pentium3, and pentium4 CPUTYPE's in /etc/make.conf, to no avail. Sadly, it seems as though vista has code in the MBR now, that seems to be part of the bitlocker stuff. FreeBSD's standard bootloader interferes with it, causing Vista to give a error message about files being corrupted. Maybe there is a simple (to the MBR guru types) that could be implemented into the fbsd bootloader. -Jeff Palmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems (RESOLVED)
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. I'm not sure why gag is i386 only, all it does is install a binary floppy disk ISO. You can also install it from many Linux live CDs. Once it's installed it's independent of the original installation medium. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:4,45d274028483574158760! To help anyone out who is also attempting to dualboot FreeBSD/amd64 and Vista: here is what I did. Install Vista first. Use the disk manager to create a partition (or resize the partition) to make room for FreeBSD. reboot, and install FreeBSD, installing a standard MBR (the machine will reboot directly into FreeBSD) After back into a fresh FreeBSD, do: sysinstall Configure Distributions lib32 (this installs 32bit compatibility libraries. Now fetch ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.2-release/Latest/grub.tbz (yes, the i386 package) pkg_add grub.tgz It will now work in compatibility mode, and you can use it same as you can with a native FreeBSD/i386. Hope it helps someone! - Jeff Palmer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems (RESOLVED)
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. I'm not sure why gag is i386 only, all it does is install a binary floppy disk ISO. You can also install it from many Linux live CDs. Once it's installed it's independent of the original installation medium. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] !DSPAM:4,45d274028483574158760! To help anyone out who is also attempting to dualboot FreeBSD/amd64 and Vista: here is what I did. Install Vista first. Use the disk manager to create a partition (or resize the partition) to make room for FreeBSD. reboot, and install FreeBSD, installing a standard MBR (the machine will reboot directly into FreeBSD) After back into a fresh FreeBSD, do: sysinstall Configure Distributions lib32 (this installs 32bit compatibility libraries. Now fetch ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.2-release/Latest/grub.tbz (yes, the i386 package) pkg_add grub.tgz It will now work in compatibility mode, and you can use it same as you can with a native FreeBSD/i386. FWIW gag will work without any of that, and will carry on working if you replace the FreeBSD partition. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot problems (RESOLVED)
RW wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:51:52 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:44:03 -0500 (EST) Questions [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, when I try FreeBSD/amd64, grub won't compile (it's architecture is forced to i386 only in the Makefile. I haven't dug into why, but I'm confident there is a reason. Obviously, grub becomes a non-option. Gag has the same limitation of being i386 only. I'm not sure why gag is i386 only, all it does is install a binary floppy disk ISO. You can also install it from many Linux live CDs. Once it's installed it's independent of the original installation medium. Probably because architecture stuff and bit length in 32-bit is half :)? Instruction set's a bit different too. There are some new features in the new Intel processors like overflow protection, etc, so I wouldn't doubt there are differences in ISA at the assembler level. !DSPAM:4,45d274028483574158760! To help anyone out who is also attempting to dualboot FreeBSD/amd64 and Vista: here is what I did. Install Vista first. Use the disk manager to create a partition (or resize the partition) to make room for FreeBSD. reboot, and install FreeBSD, installing a standard MBR (the machine will reboot directly into FreeBSD) After back into a fresh FreeBSD, do: sysinstall Configure Distributions lib32 (this installs 32bit compatibility libraries. Now fetch ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6.2-release/Latest/grub.tbz (yes, the i386 package) pkg_add grub.tgz It will now work in compatibility mode, and you can use it same as you can with a native FreeBSD/i386. FWIW gag will work without any of that, and will carry on working if you replace the FreeBSD partition. Yeah, but grub provides more power in choosing your load options though. Besides, gag has an ugly bootloader screen _.. I only use gag when I'm not afforded a choice with FreeBSD's bootloader and then grub. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sparc dual boot problems
Here's the situation The machine is a SUN ULTRA 5 and I have 4 IDE devices. I am new to SUN hardware I know much more about PC's. The first device primary master is the cdrom which Solaris 10 and FreeBSD were successfully installed from. Currently Solaris 10 which is the primary slave is the default boot device. FreeBSD is installed on the primary slave drive. I am used to the FreeBSD install on a PC and during that install it gave time for configuring the boot loader but I can't find it on the recent Sparc FreeBSD edition? During the partition process it says I will have the option to configure the boot loader latter. Right now I can't boot FreeBSD and I have no idea how to configure this machine to make it dual boot? I would like to have Solaris 10 as the primary O/S, FreeBSD as the secondary and Sparc Linux on the third hd. Can you please help? Jason Harback ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sparc dual boot problems
- Original Message - From: jasonharback [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 5:47 AM Subject: Sparc dual boot problems During the partition process it says I will have the option to configure the boot loader latter. Right now I can't boot FreeBSD and I have no idea how to configure this machine to make it dual boot? I would like to have Solaris 10 as the primary O/S, FreeBSD as the secondary and Sparc Linux on the third hd. I don't know if theres a possibility of using a boot loader, but I have multibooted my sparc boxes from the OFW prompt by writing the primary OS into OFW config and booting into other OS's using the ofw prompt (stop-a) and then giving boot command with the disk/cdrom name I want to boot from. I think neither NetBSD or FreeBSD supports a boot loader on Sparc but I'm not 100% sure about that. After trying Slowlaris I'm running all my boxes with BSD's only though. -Reko ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sparc dual boot problems
On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 03:47, jasonharback wrote: Here's the situation The machine is a SUN ULTRA 5 and I have 4 IDE devices. I am new to SUN hardware I know much more about PC's. The first device primary master is the cdrom which Solaris 10 and FreeBSD were successfully installed from. Currently Solaris 10 which is the primary slave is the default boot device. FreeBSD is installed on the primary slave drive. I am used to the FreeBSD install on a PC and during that install it gave time for configuring the boot loader but I can't find it on the recent Sparc FreeBSD edition? During the partition process it says I will have the option to configure the boot loader latter. Right now I can't boot FreeBSD and I have no idea how to configure this machine to make it dual boot? I would like to have Solaris 10 as the primary O/S, FreeBSD as the secondary and Sparc Linux on the third hd. Can you please help? Jason Harback Jason, You don't need to use a boot loader with the U5, just boot to the promt (Stop A). Then just type boot followed by the alias of the slice you want to boot. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
