Re: Dual head video cards

2007-07-18 Thread dgmm
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, Josh Paetzel wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 July 2007, dgmm wrote:
> > Are there any "gotchas" I should look out for when purchasing a
> > dual head video card?
> >
> > I'm currently looking for a cheap NVidia card with both analogue
> > and digital output to use my old 21" CRT and the new 19" LCD but,
> > as usual, there's very little info other than for Windows in the
> > write ups/reviews.
> >
> > I've never used dual head before so I'm concerned that some cards
> > might share resources to the extent that they are windows only .
> > Maybe I'm seeing potential problems that aren't there?
> >
> > Budget is tight so I don't want to screw up the purchase.  "Cheap"
> > is word I'm looking for :-)
>
> You'll need to use the binary nvidia drivers, the open source nv
> driver doesn't support dual-head at all.  So you run in to a couple
> of gotchas there.  The first being that the nvidia drivers are i386
> only, they aren't available for AMD64, and the second is that
> twinview has a sort of odd behavior when you use different
> resolutions on each monitor.  It's hard to describe but the driver
> basically pretends that the resolutions are the same and then only
> draws what can be displayed of the smaller one, so there's desktop
> outside of the monitor that you can drag windows in to but obviously
> can't see.
>
> With regards to cards I've used the recent nvidia drivers and
> dual-head with everything from an fx5500 PCI card to 6200LE to 6600GT
> to 7200 cards.  I've used the legacy drivers with various 4x00ti
> cards.
>
> Here are links to cards I've personally used with dual head in the sub
> $50 range USD.
>
> pci-e
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121080
>
> agp
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127290

Thanks both to you and to Yuri for the quick and useful replies.  Not having 
looked at dual head before I was unaware that the open source driver didn't 
do it.  I'm sure I'd have found out eventually but you guys have saved me 
some head scratching time ;-)

Screen res will be 1280x1024 on both and I'm using an i386 system.

I'll probably end up with either a 6200 or maybe a 7600 if the budget will 
stretch.

Thanks again.

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Dual head video cards

2007-07-17 Thread dgmm
Are there any "gotchas" I should look out for when purchasing a dual head 
video card?

I'm currently looking for a cheap NVidia card with both analogue and digital 
output to use my old 21" CRT and the new 19" LCD but, as usual, there's very 
little info other than for Windows in the write ups/reviews.

I've never used dual head before so I'm concerned that some cards might share 
resources to the extent that they are windows only .  Maybe I'm seeing 
potential problems that aren't there?

Budget is tight so I don't want to screw up the purchase.  "Cheap" is word I'm 
looking for :-)

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Re: Dual head video cards

2007-07-17 Thread Josh Paetzel
On Tuesday 17 July 2007, dgmm wrote:
> Are there any "gotchas" I should look out for when purchasing a
> dual head video card?
>
> I'm currently looking for a cheap NVidia card with both analogue
> and digital output to use my old 21" CRT and the new 19" LCD but,
> as usual, there's very little info other than for Windows in the
> write ups/reviews.
>
> I've never used dual head before so I'm concerned that some cards
> might share resources to the extent that they are windows only . 
> Maybe I'm seeing potential problems that aren't there?
>
> Budget is tight so I don't want to screw up the purchase.  "Cheap"
> is word I'm looking for :-)

You'll need to use the binary nvidia drivers, the open source nv 
driver doesn't support dual-head at all.  So you run in to a couple 
of gotchas there.  The first being that the nvidia drivers are i386 
only, they aren't available for AMD64, and the second is that 
twinview has a sort of odd behavior when you use different 
resolutions on each monitor.  It's hard to describe but the driver 
basically pretends that the resolutions are the same and then only 
draws what can be displayed of the smaller one, so there's desktop 
outside of the monitor that you can drag windows in to but obviously 
can't see.

With regards to cards I've used the recent nvidia drivers and 
dual-head with everything from an fx5500 PCI card to 6200LE to 6600GT 
to 7200 cards.  I've used the legacy drivers with various 4x00ti 
cards.

Here are links to cards I've personally used with dual head in the sub 
$50 range USD.

pci-e
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121080

agp
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127290

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Thanks,

Josh Paetzel


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Re: Dual head video cards

2007-07-17 Thread Yuri Pankov
On Tue, Jul 17, 2007 at 12:22:51PM +0100, dgmm wrote:
> Are there any "gotchas" I should look out for when purchasing a dual head 
> video card?
> 
> I'm currently looking for a cheap NVidia card with both analogue and digital 
> output to use my old 21" CRT and the new 19" LCD but, as usual, there's very 
> little info other than for Windows in the write ups/reviews.
> 
> I've never used dual head before so I'm concerned that some cards might share 
> resources to the extent that they are windows only .  Maybe I'm seeing 
> potential problems that aren't there?
> 
> Budget is tight so I don't want to screw up the purchase.  "Cheap" is word 
> I'm 
> looking for :-)
> 
> -- 
> Dave

Nvidia's DualHead works nice, but only with binary Nvidia drivers (which
are i386 only). There's some preliminary support for DualHead in xorg's
opensource nv driver (starting with version 2.1.0, AFAIK), so it can be
used with FreeBSD/amd64, but it doesn't play nice with Xinerama yet.
Check Nvidia's documentation and release notes for drivers for more
information.


HTH,
Yuri


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Re: passively cooled pci-e dual head video cards for X?

2006-03-29 Thread Doug Poland
On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 03:08:59PM -0800, George Hartzell wrote:
> 
>  http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadronvs.html
>
> which seem to almost cut it.  Googling suggests that xinerma
> performance isn't usable, but that they do ok as separately managed
> desktops.
> 
Nvidia has a proprietary mode called "TwinView".  It allows you to span
a single desktop across multiple monitors.  I think that's what xinerama
does.  It works great for me and I have no performance issues.

I'm currently using TwinView on a 5.2.1-RELEASE box and a 6.0-STABLE system.
Using a GeForce4 Ti 4200 on the former and a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra on the later.

HTH,

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Doug
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passively cooled pci-e dual head video cards for X?

2006-03-29 Thread George Hartzell

I'm looking for a passively cooled pci-express card that will support
dual-head w/ dvi lcd's on FreeBSD -STABLE.

I'm currently using an AGP based matrox and it works well enough.

I don't do anything 3-D, just a gnome desktop and various xterms and
xemacs and stuff.  The only fancy hardware acceleration I can imagine
needing would be to support up-and-coming gnome eye-candy.

I'd like a xinerama like effect (single desktop image), either w/
xinerma or card specific stuff (like the matrox).

I've found these:

  http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadronvs.html

which seem to almost cut it.  Googling suggests that xinerma
performance isn't usable, but that they do ok as separately managed
desktops.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

g.

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