Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: * Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Glyn Millington
Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: * Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand them a web

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
FreeBSD? i don't think so. While I can see the point you are trying to make, and it's a valid concern, I don't fully agree. What you are essentially hinting at is that having a forum will attract less experienced users. I don't think less experienced people are, for some reason, 'idiots', but

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I have the perfect solution for you since you know more than 80 - 90 percent of the subscribers to this list. Why not create you own operating system and then pick and choose who could use it. All of the source you need is freely available. because it will take too much time.

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't be Rolls-Royce anymore. This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then. FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever more users are using it. if it would be kept high quality i would be able to pay for

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I don't want to fan the flames, but isn't that exactly what Wojciech is suggesting? That Linux went wrong when it began to cater too much to the perceived need to give former Windows users a user-friendly system? exactly. Anyway, I suspect that this discussion more properly belongs on the

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
have). while there may be some benefit to freebsd becoming 'popular', it would it is already popular within experienced users. number one or two. it's just enough. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi, there are difference between less experienced and idiots. the latter are less experienced and WANT TO keep it that way. Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points are exagerrated to say the least. I

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Wojciech - I appreciate the UNIX knowledge that you have but continuing this discussion in this manner seems pointless. Your points are exagerrated to say the least. exactly the same i heard years ago on NetBSD list, and more years ago on linux list. time showed that i was right. I am very

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:27:08 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: _large_ number of inexperienced people may result in a significantly lower signal/noise ratio. I can definitely agree to that. with 100:1 signal/noise ratio experienced people will start to leave the

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot
Hi, it already had for years. just required to turn on brain for a minute or less to send subscription mail The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only because they have different preference than you.

www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums)

2008-11-17 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: | On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:29:42 +, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Oh, wow. That's perfect. Or it would be if it was compatible with | firefox-3.0.4 ... | | It is. I'm using it with Firefox 3.0.4, after

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The fact that you love to communicate via email does not mean that everyone shoud/must/does. And you shouldn't call people idiots only because they have different preference than you. it's not preference. it's self-limiting to just single interface for everything - WWW. today common trend.

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
today we have at least 10:1 Let's not be too pessimistic, shall we? :D i'm realistic. those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:01:03 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those who are not just less experienced but so brainless that they can't even sent a subscribing mail to mailing list they will not become experienced unix users ever. We can help as much as we can, by

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
questions a day. and i do answer and help if i can. but soon it will be much worse. I beg to differ. I don't like playing the `old fart' card, but I've been a subscriber to questions for a decade or so. I haven't noticed any significant reduction in the quality of traffic. It still rocks as

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Modulok
maybe this webforum could help by redirecting some kind of folks to it, making mailing list less noisy. If we're talking about signal to noise ratio, this thread is getting pretty high on the noise end of the spectrum... -Modulok- ___

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Robert
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:50:40 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- minix doesn't work well under high

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 01:06:34AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand what i write

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Giorgos Keramidas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread John Nielsen
On Sunday 16 November 2008 11:04:28 am Brad Davis wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. Thank you! For problem-solving and discussion my personal preference is still for mailing lists,

Re: www/xpi-mozex (was Re: Official FreeBSD Forums)

2008-11-17 Thread Matthew Seaman
Matthew Seaman wrote: Looks like the www/xpi-mozex port is a bit out of date. 1.9.5 in ports versus 1.9.9 available on-line. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll submit an update to the maintainer this evening. ports/128945 Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil.

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread cpghost
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: You can register and start using our new service here: http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new list, say, [EMAIL

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Steven Susbauer
cpghost wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 09:04:28AM -0700, Brad Davis wrote: You can register and start using our new service here: http://forums.FreeBSD.org How about setting up a bidirectional Forum - Mailing List bridge? Perhaps to freebsd-questions@ or (not as good) to a special new

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread cpghost
-only mailing list (freebsd-forums@) similar to freebsd-cvs@ for forum posts could be set up anyway? IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Frank Steinborn
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:38:53PM +0100, cpghost wrote: IMHO there should be a way to archive forum posts in some way, and make them available in near real-time to users whose workflow is much more geared towards mailing lists. One might miss an interesting forum thread, because not everyone

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Unfortunately, the only one who doesn't understand would not be any of the other posters. The community is much more trustworthy than you give it credit. The community got us a valuable resource and will continue to do so if people who might take an interest aren't too put off by perpetual

Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Brad Davis
an '@' character at the end of their username. It is our hope that both users and developers will find this new service useful. Please help spread the word. Sincerely, The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread FBSD UG
, FreeBSD developers (people with commit access to our CVS/SVN trees) can be distinguished by having an '@' character at the end of their username. It is our hope that both users and developers will find this new service useful. Please help spread the word. Sincerely, The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our fine mailing lists. this

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Peter Boosten
Wojciech Puchar wrote: this will add lots of i...ts that are unable to configure mail program and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. If all people were specialists in FreeBSD,

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for specialists (i mean just someone bit advanced)? will it be separate forum or integrated

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Dave Feustel
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 07:58:39PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: and subscribe. is having as much users as possible really good for FreeBSD? i don't think so. There's no law or even a policy against i...ts using FreeBSD. OF COURSE. but how usable such forum be for specialists (i mean just someone bit advanced)? will it be

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It's independent of the mailing lists -- there's a feed of the News articles that's fine - just i've checked it. i was scared it will be webinterface to this mailing list. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! complete beginners by what ever means work, since today's Noob is potentially tomorrow's elite Kernel programmer. At first he must be programmer at all. you can learn programming in any OS, even

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Lei Chen
, The FreeBSD Forums Admin Team ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- Bruce Cran

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Glen Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Bruce Cran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:56:28 +0100 (CET) Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Having a larger user-base is definitely a good thing. That means attracting NO IT IS NOT! Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) -- minix doesn't work well under high load. it's not even designed to do this. maybe it will change, and full DMA ide drivers. will be

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential user's question turned into a flamewar. actually it's NOT a flamewar. it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD community about the effect of doing such nonsense

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Glen Barber
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...snip...] I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. -- Glen Barber If you have any trouble sounding condescending, find a

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I strongly recommend all of You to stop this bad trend. Could you please stop trolling? You're not contributing to anything here. no - because i'm not trolling. simply ignore me if you don't understand what i write ___

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread matt donovan
Indeed you are trolling Considering that your way of thinking is actually a flame. Also I never knew how to program before I even started to use *nix, but once I did I began to learn how to code. Also I know what your saying your in the dark ages it seems where, elites rule No Offense

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
No Offense indeed it is offense. my opinion is different than yours so i have to shut up. that's what you said/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread FBSD UG
On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Well, it sounds like Minix may be gaining a new user soon then ;) I cannot begin to express how disappointed I am that a potential user's question turned into a flamewar. actually it's NOT a flamewar. it's my WARNING to all current FreeBSD

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Wojciech Puchar
why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? what better exactly? sounds interesting. please add some details, because for now i see that it going not better not worse but exactly the same way as my examples. If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread prad
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:20:47 +0100 FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD becomes popular we'll have to deal with it sooner or later this is possibly good advice, but i think that wojciech makes a valid warning and, imho, i think it

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Charlie Kester
* FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating and repeating the same mistake again. why not learn from where it went wrong and do it better? If FreeBSD becomes

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread matt donovan
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Charlie Kester [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: * FBSD UG [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-17 01:20:47 +0100]: On 17 nov 2008, at 01:02, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Learn from other's mistakes (like linux,netbsd), instead of repeating and repeating the same mistake again.

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Reed Loefgren
Wojciech Puchar wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for FreeBSD users around the world and as a complement to our

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Peter Boosten
Wojciech Puchar wrote: In the same time, it's like Rolls-Royce of operating system. So Rolls-Royce should start to mass-produce cars for everyone? it won't be Rolls-Royce anymore. This is nonsense: better start charging money for FreeBSD then. FreeBSD will not turn bad (or Linux) whenever

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:58:39 +0100 (CET), Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FreeBSD project is finally, after much work, pleased to announce the availability of an official FreeBSD web based discussion forum. It is our hope that this forum will serve as a public support channel for

Re: Official FreeBSD Forums

2008-11-16 Thread Matthew Seaman
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: * Having five gazillion posts that say me too, is not exactly a productive answer to a problem. Alas, this is often what you get when you gather hundreds of _very_ inexperienced people and you hand them a web interface to freely post short, often

FreeBSD Forums

2004-09-14 Thread Gary Hayden
Is the FreeBSD Forums which your website links with active? Is it open to new members? Sorry to bother you if this is the wrong place to ask, but no one in the Forums area seems to be responding to mail or requests. I have been attempting to install Versions 4.10 or 5.2.1 for the last 2

Re: FreeBSD Forums

2004-09-14 Thread Joshua Tinnin
On Tuesday 14 September 2004 12:23 pm, Gary Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want your support to grow, you better learn to foster new novices such as myself! I'm really not sure I want to converse with the experts within the forums! After reading several posts from individuals