Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-21 Thread David Davis

Hi Guys,

I just wanted to mention that George's changes should be incorporated 
into the official FreeNAS build of 0.7 (it's RC1 right now) when it 
comes out, so using our custom image should only be a temporary thing 
should you choose to go the A2000 route.


Regards, 


David Davis
Software Engineer
Logic Supply, Inc.
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George Hartzell wrote:

Tim Judd writes:
  On 7/19/09, Aleksandr Miroslav alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Aleksandr Miroslav
   alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
   What kind of RAID chassis, computer system should I get for this setup?
   Would a soekris be sufficient, or is that overkill?
  
   Or should I just buy a barebones headless desktop PC (Dell has them
   cheap now for $241) for this task?
  
  I don't like OEMs.  I would rather build my own.
  
  Recently well-reviewed Via ARTiGO A2000 is a 2 SATA drive enclosure.

  You can install anything you want in it.  I don't think it has onboard
  raid, but a software raid (in a lightly loaded NAS) should work pretty
  well
  
  Let me know what you choose.


I have an A2000 running -STABLE and another running a slightly hacked
version of FreeNAS.  All of my FreeNAS support hacks (and then some)
have been merged into the image available at:

  http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2009/05/11/custom-a2000-freenas-image/

I don't have any connection with them except as a happy
camper/customer.

You'd need to hang the third drive off the USB connection, so it
wouldn't be a screamer, but it should work well.

Both systems are running the 1TB Western Digital green drives.
Otherwise they're plug and play.

g.
  

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FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread Aleksandr Miroslav
I would like to setup a home fileserver running FreeNAS (which itself runs
on FreeBSD 7.2). Can someone recommend hardware for this?

I know I'd have to get 3 harddrives. Two will be at home running RAID1, and
the third will be mirrored about once per quarter and brought offsite.

What kind of RAID chassis, computer system should I get for this setup?
Would a soekris be sufficient, or is that overkill?

Thanks in advance for your help/advice.
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Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread Aleksandr Miroslav
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Aleksandr Miroslav
alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
 What kind of RAID chassis, computer system should I get for this setup? Would 
 a soekris be sufficient, or is that overkill?

Or should I just buy a barebones headless desktop PC (Dell has them
cheap now for $241) for this task?
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Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread Tim Judd
On 7/19/09, Aleksandr Miroslav alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Aleksandr Miroslav
 alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
 What kind of RAID chassis, computer system should I get for this setup?
 Would a soekris be sufficient, or is that overkill?

 Or should I just buy a barebones headless desktop PC (Dell has them
 cheap now for $241) for this task?



I don't like OEMs.  I would rather build my own.

Recently well-reviewed Via ARTiGO A2000 is a 2 SATA drive enclosure.
You can install anything you want in it.  I don't think it has onboard
raid, but a software raid (in a lightly loaded NAS) should work pretty
well


Let me know what you choose.
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Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread Steve Bertrand
Aleksandr Miroslav wrote:
 I would like to setup a home fileserver running FreeNAS (which itself runs
 on FreeBSD 7.2). Can someone recommend hardware for this?
 
 I know I'd have to get 3 harddrives. Two will be at home running RAID1, and
 the third will be mirrored about once per quarter and brought offsite.

Right off the bat, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Technically:

Have at *least* four disks, in RAID 10 ( 10 as in 1+0, or bin(1010) );

As far as chassis, I prefer anything that says Intel on it. Your RAID
setup will be managed by FreeBSD anyway. I've found that FreeBSD
interacts well deeply with Intel-based hardware.

Politically:

Don't do 'once per quarter'.

It feels to me as though you are an outside contractor (forgive me if
i'm wrong).

Put a cheap box in that aggregates a daily rsync on a removable drive,
and have one of the staff take that drive home.

If that is not feasible, dump the changes over the Internet with rsync(1).

If both suggestions are not feasible, then you don't want them as your
client anyway, as they are too cheap to listen to reason.

Either way, for reliable consistency:

- use good hardware where the manufacturer has a long-standing
reputation for providing documentation to their hardware API (afaik,
Intel (smack me if I'm wrong))

- learn the difference between ``archive'' and ``backup''

- understand that the hardware is your weakest link... once you figure
out that your storage method is better than the storage mechanism, then
you won't ever have to ask this question again ;)

Steve


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Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote:
 Aleksandr Miroslav wrote:
 I would like to setup a home fileserver running FreeNAS (which itself runs
 on FreeBSD 7.2). Can someone recommend hardware for this?

 I know I'd have to get 3 harddrives. Two will be at home running RAID1, and
 the third will be mirrored about once per quarter and brought offsite.
 
 Right off the bat, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

meh, I missed the entire home fileserver... when I flamed my last
post. My apologies. Hopefully it will still apply.

Steve


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Re: FreeNAS file server...which hardware to choose?

2009-07-19 Thread George Hartzell
Tim Judd writes:
  On 7/19/09, Aleksandr Miroslav alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
   On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Aleksandr Miroslav
   alexmiros...@gmail.com wrote:
   What kind of RAID chassis, computer system should I get for this setup?
   Would a soekris be sufficient, or is that overkill?
  
   Or should I just buy a barebones headless desktop PC (Dell has them
   cheap now for $241) for this task?
  
  I don't like OEMs.  I would rather build my own.
  
  Recently well-reviewed Via ARTiGO A2000 is a 2 SATA drive enclosure.
  You can install anything you want in it.  I don't think it has onboard
  raid, but a software raid (in a lightly loaded NAS) should work pretty
  well
  
  Let me know what you choose.

I have an A2000 running -STABLE and another running a slightly hacked
version of FreeNAS.  All of my FreeNAS support hacks (and then some)
have been merged into the image available at:

  http://www.logicsupply.com/blog/2009/05/11/custom-a2000-freenas-image/

I don't have any connection with them except as a happy
camper/customer.

You'd need to hang the third drive off the USB connection, so it
wouldn't be a screamer, but it should work well.

Both systems are running the 1TB Western Digital green drives.
Otherwise they're plug and play.

g.
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