Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Tsu-Fan Cheng
Hi,
correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the
only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because
days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I
had to use my windows laptop to do the job. thanks!!


TFC

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote:
 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:
 Chris Rees wrote:

 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:

 Yuri wrote:

 I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

 mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.


 Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:

 I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an
 extremely long time,  24hrs.

 Yes, sorry, I totally failed to make my point, since I scrapped that line
 and forgot about it writing the mail. (The important part was in the
 parenthesis you removed.)

 My point is that I had problems with ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 not
 working, while ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-1.13.1 was doing just fine. (I hit
 that twice -- on different computers.)

 Thus, I would suggest to try mkntfs from ntfsprogs-1.13.1, if mkntfs from
 ntfsprogs-2.0.0 fails.

 If the older mkntfs works, it would be another reason to revive the old
 port.

 ntfsprogs-2.0.0 was criticized, for example in the thread ending with this
 posting:
 http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-May/msg02306.html

 A developer from ntfs-3g that formerly worked on ntfsprogs recommends to use
 the older version: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#ntfsprogs

 I do not really know who is right, but ntfs-3g is actively developed while
 ntfsprogs is not, other people seem to trust ntfs-3g more than the newer
 version of ntfsprogs, and the arguments of the ntfs-3g developer sound
 reasonable.

 I wrote about it last year (before I actually hit problems):
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050157.html

 The reply was that there are no new problems known with the 2.0.0 version:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050406.html

 I would like to have ntfsprogs-1.13.1 back -- as ports/ntfsprogs1 or by
 reverting ports/ntfsprogs. Thus, Yuri, please try and report back.

 Cheers,
 Jan Henrik


 Hah, sorry for the vicious reply from me. Don't take it personally, I
 just snapped this time at reading what looked like a dupe  I promise
 I'll lay off the coffee for a bit.

 Chris

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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-13 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/13 Tsu-Fan Cheng tfch...@gmail.com:
 Hi,
    correct me if I am wrong, but is it true that ntfsprogs is the
 only port that comes with formating disk into NTFS system? because
 days ago I also had this problem with my friend's extra USB 1T HD, I
 had to use my windows laptop to do the job. thanks!!


 TFC


NTFS is one of the 'crown jewels' at Microsoft, who consider the idea
of sharing ideas despicable. The only way to get information about it
is to reverse-engineer the format, which is such a bugger that not
many people are interested enough in doing. Ntfsprogs is the only tool
(AFAIK) that can do that.

Read Jan's part though
http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1743061+0+archive/2009/freebsd-questions/20090412.freebsd-questions

Sorry,

Chris

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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:
 Yuri wrote:
 I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

 mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.


Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:

 I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an 
 extremely long time,  24hrs.

Chris


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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Jan Henrik Sylvester

Chris Rees wrote:

2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:

Yuri wrote:

I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.



Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:


I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an extremely 
long time,  24hrs.


Yes, sorry, I totally failed to make my point, since I scrapped that 
line and forgot about it writing the mail. (The important part was in 
the parenthesis you removed.)


My point is that I had problems with ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 not 
working, while ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-1.13.1 was doing just fine. (I 
hit that twice -- on different computers.)


Thus, I would suggest to try mkntfs from ntfsprogs-1.13.1, if mkntfs 
from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 fails.


If the older mkntfs works, it would be another reason to revive the old 
port.


ntfsprogs-2.0.0 was criticized, for example in the thread ending with 
this posting: 
http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-May/msg02306.html


A developer from ntfs-3g that formerly worked on ntfsprogs recommends to 
use the older version: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#ntfsprogs


I do not really know who is right, but ntfs-3g is actively developed 
while ntfsprogs is not, other people seem to trust ntfs-3g more than the 
newer version of ntfsprogs, and the arguments of the ntfs-3g developer 
sound reasonable.


I wrote about it last year (before I actually hit problems): 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050157.html


The reply was that there are no new problems known with the 2.0.0 
version: 
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050406.html


I would like to have ntfsprogs-1.13.1 back -- as ports/ntfsprogs1 or by 
reverting ports/ntfsprogs. Thus, Yuri, please try and report back.


Cheers,
Jan Henrik
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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-11 Thread Chris Rees
2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:
 Chris Rees wrote:

 2009/4/11 Jan Henrik Sylvester m...@janh.de:

 Yuri wrote:

 I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

 mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.


 Yuri had already written ONE LINE below your quote:

 I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an
 extremely long time,  24hrs.

 Yes, sorry, I totally failed to make my point, since I scrapped that line
 and forgot about it writing the mail. (The important part was in the
 parenthesis you removed.)

 My point is that I had problems with ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-2.0.0 not
 working, while ntfsresize from ntfsprogs-1.13.1 was doing just fine. (I hit
 that twice -- on different computers.)

 Thus, I would suggest to try mkntfs from ntfsprogs-1.13.1, if mkntfs from
 ntfsprogs-2.0.0 fails.

 If the older mkntfs works, it would be another reason to revive the old
 port.

 ntfsprogs-2.0.0 was criticized, for example in the thread ending with this
 posting:
 http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2008-May/msg02306.html

 A developer from ntfs-3g that formerly worked on ntfsprogs recommends to use
 the older version: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#ntfsprogs

 I do not really know who is right, but ntfs-3g is actively developed while
 ntfsprogs is not, other people seem to trust ntfs-3g more than the newer
 version of ntfsprogs, and the arguments of the ntfs-3g developer sound
 reasonable.

 I wrote about it last year (before I actually hit problems):
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050157.html

 The reply was that there are no new problems known with the 2.0.0 version:
 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2008-August/050406.html

 I would like to have ntfsprogs-1.13.1 back -- as ports/ntfsprogs1 or by
 reverting ports/ntfsprogs. Thus, Yuri, please try and report back.

 Cheers,
 Jan Henrik


Hah, sorry for the vicious reply from me. Don't take it personally, I
just snapped this time at reading what looked like a dupe  I promise
I'll lay off the coffee for a bit.

Chris

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How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Yuri
I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things on 
it under Windows.


I tried to use mkntfs from ports/ntfsprogs but it didn't finish after an 
extremely long time,  24hrs.


Yuri

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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things on it 
under Windows.


i would rather make FAT32 partition

newfs_msdos

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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Yuri

Wojciech Puchar wrote:


i would rather make FAT32 partition


Unfortunately FAT32 has a file size limit 2^32-1 bytes (~4GB)
And I talk about HD 1TB and files might me larger.

Yuri

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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Polytropon
On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:33:13 -0700, Yuri y...@rawbw.com wrote:
 Unfortunately FAT32 has a file size limit 2^32-1 bytes (~4GB)
 And I talk about HD 1TB and files might me larger.

The easiest way would be to format it inside a Windows PC
that is NTFS capable. But I think your problem is that you
don't have such a PC at hand...

Maybe a (very overcomplicated) solution is to (install and
then) run some kind of Windows in a VM and format the disk
from there...



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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Jan Henrik Sylvester

Yuri wrote:
 I need to format NTFS partition to give HD to someone to write things

mkntfs from sysutils/ntfsprogs should do it.

(I did use mkntfs successfully with the 1.13.1 version, but never tried 
with 2.0.0. ntfsresize from 2.0.0 failed for me when 1.13.1 did work.)


Jan Henrik
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Re: How to create NTFS file system from FreeBSD?

2009-04-10 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi,

 The easiest way would be to format it inside a Windows PC
 that is NTFS capable. But I think your problem is that you
 don't have such a PC at hand...
 
 Maybe a (very overcomplicated) solution is to (install and
 then) run some kind of Windows in a VM and format the disk
 from there...
 
I am not sure that my reply is allowed here, but I recently found out
that Hiren BooCD 9.8 includes a live version of XP...

Bests,

Olivier
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