information about configurable load-time parameters
Hi, I'm using FreeBSD 9.1 and looking for a way to pass a module parameters on load time. I came across the 'TUNABLE' macros which provided a decent solution. The question that remains is how to notify the user about those configurable load-time parameters ? I guess I'm looking for some kind of 'modinfo' which describes those parameters among other things. Thanks, Meny Yossefi | SW Engineer | FreeBSD team Mellanox Technologies Ltd Work: +972-74-7129121, Cell: +972-52-8379557 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.
I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I have narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf the full file just has: WITHOUT_BIND=YES WITHOUT_NTP=YES WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is built, everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not working on an installed port, with no apparent error. To make a long story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the /etc/src.conf file to the new system. And well the problem was gone, when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it worked. Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't see how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be causing the problem. Though I am in the process of building systems with different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure. The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time ago about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before now. I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled libraries. But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.
dweimer wrote: I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I have narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf the full file just has: WITHOUT_BIND=YES WITHOUT_NTP=YES WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is built, everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not working on an installed port, with no apparent error. To make a long story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the /etc/src.conf file to the new system. And well the problem was gone, when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it worked. Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't see how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be causing the problem. Though I am in the process of building systems with different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure. The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time ago about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before now. I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled libraries. But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is. I'm not a code hacker, so take with pinch of salt. In the man page for src.conf it declares that variable values would be ignored, and of course I missed that. While I have WITHOUT_PROFILE= true in my src.conf, the correct use is simply WITHOUT_PROFILE by itself. Since I have never experienced any form of difficulty perhaps the difference here is the quotation marks. Maybe something is malfunctioning from the . See if removing these helps? Also, from what I understand what's in src.conf should only apply to building the system, e.g code located under /usr/src. I've always taken this to mean it should not apply to building anything in ports. My limited understanding is that when you build profiled code you are inserting a little extra debug code which is utilized to measure the time spent within internal structures, such as functions and other sub-routines. Not that I even know how such info would get extracted at runtime, programmers use this to look for areas within their code that hog resources time-wise and zero in on those to concentrate on makeing more efficient/faster. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Can anyone direct me to some information about what WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES actually means.
On 02/04/2013 3:25 pm, Michael Powell wrote: dweimer wrote: I have ran into a recent issue, after a lot of trouble shooting I have narrowed it down to something in my /etc/src.conf the full file just has: WITHOUT_BIND=YES WITHOUT_NTP=YES WITHOUT_FLOPPY=YES WITHOUT_FREEBSD_UPDATE=YES WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES Of course bind and ntp are added in by ports after the system is built, everything compiles, I have a very specific issue with one thing not working on an installed port, with no apparent error. To make a long story short though one of my build attempts, I forgot to copy the /etc/src.conf file to the new system. And well the problem was gone, when I discovered that's what I did differently, I commented out all lines on a different system rebuilt and installed, sure enough it worked. Looking at the src.conf options that I was using, I can't see how any option other than the WITHOUT_PROFILE could possibly be causing the problem. Though I am in the process of building systems with different options removed in an attempt to find out for sure. The WITHOUT_PROFILE was added from a help document I read some time ago about upgrading from source, and hasn't caused any problems before now. I know it instructs the build process to avoid compiling profiled libraries. But my searching hasn't been able to lead me to what the difference is between a profiled and non-profiled library is. I'm not a code hacker, so take with pinch of salt. In the man page for src.conf it declares that variable values would be ignored, and of course I missed that. While I have WITHOUT_PROFILE= true in my src.conf, the correct use is simply WITHOUT_PROFILE by itself. Since I have never experienced any form of difficulty perhaps the difference here is the quotation marks. Maybe something is malfunctioning from the . See if removing these helps? Also, from what I understand what's in src.conf should only apply to building the system, e.g code located under /usr/src. I've always taken this to mean it should not apply to building anything in ports. My limited understanding is that when you build profiled code you are inserting a little extra debug code which is utilized to measure the time spent within internal structures, such as functions and other sub-routines. Not that I even know how such info would get extracted at runtime, programmers use this to look for areas within their code that hog resources time-wise and zero in on those to concentrate on makeing more efficient/faster. -Mike if I remember right, from information about src.conf, I believe that WITHOUT_PROFILE WITHOUT_PROFILE= WITHOUT_PROFILE=true WITHOUT_PROFILE=YES ... are all functionally equivalent as it does ignore the rest, though I could be wrong and this could be my problem. I do know for sure that the WIHTOUT_BIND, WITHOUT_NTP, are working correctly as they are gone form the system, prior to me installing the versions from ports after the build/install world. Yes this does apply only to system. With the above options buildworld / buildkernel / install kernel / install world/ mergemaster / reinstall all ports, I have my problem. Remove all options, repeat no problem. Remove just WITHOUT_PROFILE repeat again, problem is back. So I was wrong as to that line being the cause, at least by itself. I did a lot of initial testing with port option changes, and changes to make.conf on my system, thought maybe it was clang, etc. Didn't get anywhere, the system is running on a ZFS boot partition, and as a last effort I tried on UFS. It worked, but I also realized I forgot the src.conf settings. I copied my ZFS systems boot environment and rebuilt without src.conf, it now works as well. Currently doing a fresh install on ZFS to build from ground up with the same process used originally, except without the src.conf and confirm I can repeat its success. Then I can do some more testing with adding options back into the src.conf to try and narrow down which of those options is causing the problem. If I can figure out which one, or combination of them is the cause, then I will hopefully have something that can lead to someone with more knowledge than I have being able to discover why its having the problem. The port doesn't fail to compile it installs fine, and 99.5% of it runs perfect, just one little thing that I need to work hangs up for about 5 minutes, before timing out, but doesn't log an error, even with insanely verbose debugging, it acts as if it completed but it didn't. I posted another message about the specific problem several days ago, before I had it figured out to be caused somehow by something in the src.conf file. I am trying to run Squid (version 3.2.6 is the current port) in reverse proxy, the problem is only when doing a post via HTTPS above a certain size, somewhere between 2k and 3.2k is where it begins. -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net
how to update the revision information
Hi All, The blow information can be found when we boot up the system, also can use command uname -v my question is how can I change this, and I cannot rebuild it ,because on my freebsd, I dont have src anymore . [image: Inline image 1] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: how to update the revision information
On 04/07/2012 12:13, Bill Yuan wrote: The blow information can be found when we boot up the system, also can use command uname -v Unfortunately the mailing list software has stripped your attachment. For this sort of thing, its good to put your image up on a pastebin site and include the link in your e-mail. my question is how can I change this, and I cannot rebuild it ,because on my freebsd, I dont have src anymore . Well, the info that uname(1) prints out is generated from the source code at compile time. Recompiling the kernel, or updating the kernel via eg. freebsd-update(8) are the only ways to change it. If you're asking about the perennial I just security-patched my system with freebsd-update, but uname still shows the old patch-level thing, then yeah. Unless freebsd-update supplies you with a whole new kernel image, which only happens when a security bug involves the kernel, then the uname output will not be changed. It's a flaw, but any solutions involving being able to tweak uname settings without changing kernels open up a whole can of security worms[*] which are, on the whole, worse than living with some mildly outdated data. Cheers, Matthew [*] J. Random Blackhat could fake you into thinking the system was patched and up to date when in fact it was still vulnerable to exploitation. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: how to update the revision information
Thanks very much, I found the source code of the loader, on the newvers.sh it will generate a vers.c I changed this script, and manually created this vers.c file. it will be inlcude in all other sources. and it contains all system version. that's my way to change it . thanks, On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Matthew Seaman matt...@freebsd.org wrote: On 04/07/2012 12:13, Bill Yuan wrote: The blow information can be found when we boot up the system, also can use command uname -v Unfortunately the mailing list software has stripped your attachment. For this sort of thing, its good to put your image up on a pastebin site and include the link in your e-mail. my question is how can I change this, and I cannot rebuild it ,because on my freebsd, I dont have src anymore . Well, the info that uname(1) prints out is generated from the source code at compile time. Recompiling the kernel, or updating the kernel via eg. freebsd-update(8) are the only ways to change it. If you're asking about the perennial I just security-patched my system with freebsd-update, but uname still shows the old patch-level thing, then yeah. Unless freebsd-update supplies you with a whole new kernel image, which only happens when a security bug involves the kernel, then the uname output will not be changed. It's a flaw, but any solutions involving being able to tweak uname settings without changing kernels open up a whole can of security worms[*] which are, on the whole, worse than living with some mildly outdated data. Cheers, Matthew [*] J. Random Blackhat could fake you into thinking the system was patched and up to date when in fact it was still vulnerable to exploitation. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Capturing Information About PANIC
I am having problems with my system panicking and crashing during Bacula backups. Is there any way short of enabling full memory dumps to log the output of the crash? After a reboot there is no information in the messages log, and dmesg generally only shows the information since the reboot started. The system is running FreeBSD9.0-RELEASE compiled from source, I had it running bacula backups for close to 2 weeks without a problem, but now it consistently crashes every night. The system is running the client directory and storage daemon, oddly enough it never crashes when backing up itself, but instead crashes when backing up one of the two remote systems. I was beginning to think that perhaps my recompile using clang was the problem, so I rebuilt the world and all ports without clang but the problem persists. I have tested my external eSATA drive on another system, and temporarily connected the drive to the internal SATA ports to rule out the eSATA controller and the backup drive as the source of the problems. This is the only drive in the system that is setup with GEOM_ELI encryption, so I can't rule out that the encryption process is causing a load that the motherboard/CPU/RAM is failing to cope with for hardware reasons. Though this system shouldn't have a problem keeping up. FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE #1: Tue Mar 6 18:42:48 CST 2012 dweimer@webmail.dweimer.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VESAKERN amd64 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 7750 Dual-Core Processor (2700.06-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = AuthenticAMD Id = 0x100f23 Family = 10 Model = 2 Stepping = 3 Features=0x178bfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT Features2=0x802009SSE3,MON,CX16,POPCNT AMD Features=0xee500800SYSCALL,NX,MMX+,FFXSR,Page1GB,RDTSCP,LM,3DNow!+,3DNow! AMD Features2=0x7ffLAHF,CMP,SVM,ExtAPIC,CR8,ABM,SSE4A,MAS,Prefetch,OSVW,IBS TSC: P-state invariant real memory = 4294967296 (4096 MB) avail memory = 3843878912 (3665 MB) Event timer LAPIC quality 400 ACPI APIC Table: 072309 APIC1220 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 2 CPUs FreeBSD/SMP: 1 package(s) x 2 core(s) cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 ioapic0 Version 1.1 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 cryptosoft0: software crypto on motherboard -- Thanks, Dean E. Weimer http://www.dweimer.net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Capturing Information About PANIC
On 03/09/12 01:45, Dean E. Weimer wrote: I am having problems with my system panicking and crashing during Bacula backups. Is there any way short of enabling full memory dumps to log the output of the crash? After a reboot there is no information in the messages log, and dmesg generally only shows the information since the reboot started. You can enable all.log in syslog.conf (follow the instructions there); this will provide verbose logging of everything at all levels. And you can enable dumpdev in rc.conf. HTH ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Where to go for xorg information
If this is not the list, please point me to the correct one. Is there a list that corresponds to the XFree86 newbies list? Anyway my question: I imderstand that the FreeBSD Foundation is/was sponsoring coding for the Intel Ironlake chip. Does anyone know the status of this or perhaps where to inquire about the project status? _ Douglas Denault http://www.safeport.com d...@safeport.com Voice: 301-217-9220 Fax: 301-217-9277 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Where to go for xorg information
Dnia wtorek, 11 października 2011 11:52:15 d...@safeport.com pisze: Anyway my question: I imderstand that the FreeBSD Foundation is/was sponsoring coding for the Intel Ironlake chip. Does anyone know the status of this or perhaps where to inquire about the project status? _ Douglas Denault This should say something: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU Maciej ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Where to go for xorg information
On Tue, 11 Oct 2011, Maciej Milewski wrote: Dnia wtorek, 11 pa?dziernika 2011 11:52:15 d...@safeport.com pisze: Anyway my question: I imderstand that the FreeBSD Foundation is/was sponsoring coding for the Intel Ironlake chip. Does anyone know the status of this or perhaps where to inquire about the project status? _ Douglas Denault This should say something: http://wiki.freebsd.org/Intel_GPU Maciej Thanks, UTFM is a subset of FTFM. Understanding is a work in progress. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Do I get a cookie? Only if you visit a web site that uses them, and have them enabled in your browser :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 07:25:52AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Do I get a cookie? Only if you visit a web site that uses them, and have them enabled in your browser :) I accept or deny on a site-by-site basis. I wouldn't want to get one with cranberries in it. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpIQcU2pgDNF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: more information
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, zareena crisostomo cyra_angel0...@yahoo.com wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. So, please clarify. You want us to do your homework assignment? But how can we? You sent a proprietary format and it's locked, so we can't even cut and paste to answer the assignment for you! I wonder what Ms. Nancy M. Flores would think of your research techniques! Sadly, none of your college of IT have their e-mails posted. Let's see. You were able to post on this list, so obviously you know how to STFW, and you obviously know how to read. So here, RTFM: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Then, after you actually install and try FreeBSD, and if you have any _specific_ questions, then come back here with ONE (1) question per e-mail. You may be wondering why such a hostile reaction from many people here. This will answer _that_ question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Best, -- Alejandro Imass Zareena C. Bohol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:47:54AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: . . . a bunch of stuff. I had no interest in reading the attached PDF until I saw the message by Alejandro Imass. Now that I've read it, I can only think that if one takes the tasks described in that PDF literally and seriously the project must be the equivalent of a Master's thesis. Holy crap. That's a lot of work, and if someone does a good job on that set of tasks for FreeBSD, that person should end up knowing more than me about FreeBSD despite having spent six years using it so far. I hope this isn't some two-week project. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpQnazHKfuH0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 9:18 PM, zareena crisostomo cyra_angel0...@yahoo.com wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. So, please clarify. You want us to do your homework assignment? But how can we? You sent a proprietary format and it's locked, so we can't even cut and paste to answer the assignment for you! I wonder what Ms. Nancy M. Flores would think of your research techniques! Sadly, none of your college of IT have their e-mails posted. Let's see. You were able to post on this list, so obviously you know how to STFW, and you obviously know how to read. So here, RTFM: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html Then, after you actually install and try FreeBSD, and if you have any _specific_ questions, then come back here with ONE (1) question per e-mail. You may be wondering why such a hostile reaction from many people here. This will answer _that_ question: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:47:54AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: . . . a bunch of stuff. I had no interest in reading the attached PDF until I saw the message by Alejandro Imass. Now that I've read it, I can only think that if one takes the tasks described in that PDF literally and seriously the project must be the equivalent of a Master's thesis. Holy crap. That's a lot of work, and if someone does a good job on that set of tasks for FreeBSD, that person should end up knowing more than me about FreeBSD despite having spent six years using it so far. I hope this isn't some two-week project. Ja! Especially fun will be cutting and pasting sections II.a and b. Here you go, Zareena, all you need to do is divide this list about 30/70 into points IIa and IIb, I'm sure your teacher's won't know the difference which goes where: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/master-index.html What's sad IMHO is that IT Colleges world-wide, not in the OP's country, have gotten so pirate, that they don't really teach computing, but rather create users maybe analogous to Agricultural schools which teach the techniques and legal aspects of cross-pollination for planting with Monsanto seeds. Anyway, the fact that the teacher assigned this student FreeBSD at least is a sign of hope ;-) but on the other hand it's no wonder why the largest IT companies in the world were formed by University drop-outs... The curriculum is probably OK, for example as you said, if this assignment would be taken seriously but you can clearly see the attitude of students which is probably an x-ray into his college. Then again, I think the FBSD Handbook is even more complete than this homework assignment. Cheers! -- Alejandro Imass -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. Everyone reacts from his or her particular perception. The assignment is in plain English so I doubt the problem is language related, so in my perception, the question is laziness. And you have to respect that. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. The only one attacking here, my friend, is you. My mail was very straight forward: go do your homework first; then come back and ask some intelligent question. I would gladly accept you criticism if I hadn't pointed the OP in the right direction. But if it's a question of style then the question becomes, where did you get your education? because any of my teachers would have done the same or worse: go away and come back with a specific question; don't come here with you assignment and expect me to do it for you!, but here, read this and then come back If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. Yeah well you should have looked yourself first, the faculty staff is here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/Programs/Faculty?College=CITCS And, as I stated in my original reply, they don't post their mails. I do my homework first. -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] For Christ's sake, he posted a simple assignment outline, more than likely the original one he received and asked for help with it. Obviously, part of the problem can be attributed to language. I assume someone besides myself noticed where the assignment originated from. Everyone reacts from his or her particular perception. The assignment is in plain English so I doubt the problem is language related, so in my perception, the question is laziness. And you have to respect that. No I don't. Being able to read a language, and I have no idea, nor do you, exactly how well the OP can converse in English. There are numerous posters on this forum that apparently can read to a limited extend and post as well in English. Grammatically, it may suck but at least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. quote Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. /quote Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. assuming that you actually have some education, basket weaving doesn't count, and have received assignments that required obtaining facts, etcetera. It would have been so much easier and pleasant to have simple listed a few links to documentation that he might be able to use rather than attacking the OP in a condescending manner. The only one attacking here, my friend, is you. My mail was very straight forward: go do your homework first; then come back and ask some intelligent question. I would gladly accept you criticism if I hadn't pointed the OP in the right direction. But if it's a question of style then the question becomes, where did you get your education? because any of my teachers would have done the same or worse: go away and come back with a specific question; don't come here with you assignment and expect me to do it for you!, but here, read this and then come back If you are really looking for e-mail addresses, start here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/. When you e-mail his instructors, please CC me as well. I really want to see how this is going to turn out for you. Be sure to include the OP's original post to this list as well. Yeah well you should have looked yourself first, the faculty staff is here: http://www.uc-bcf.edu.ph/Programs/Faculty?College=CITCS And, as I stated in my original reply, they don't post their mails. I do my homework first. Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. Oh, so you speak on the majority of this community? Who seconds you? The fact is that there were 5 answers to the OP's questions 4 of which agree with me. So it is you that is wrong, and have anger management issues. [...] Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, Man, you should really read up on nettiquette. What the fuck is all this personal insulting bullshit? Have I insulted you or the OP? Have YOU ever had an IQ test? You seem so obsessed with it, maybe you should get one. and get a psycho exam while you're at it. BTW, in fact my IQ was formally tested as part of hiring process in 2005, and that was before I discovered FBSD - imagine what it is now Sorry to disappoint you, but mine was actually not 2 but rather 133, that's 3 points higher than the highest average of 95% of the population. using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. [...] Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores If you would actually do your homework instead of all this inflammatory material, Nacy Flores is the Dean of the IT College. It was just a pun, a joke, get it? is your brain even capable of comprehending a little humor? requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. what is your problem man? why are you so angry and making this personal? -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Alejandro Imass Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:30 PM To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: more information On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:13 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: [...] least the the majority of this community can ascertain what the OP was trying to convey. Oh, so you speak on the majority of this community? Who seconds you? The fact is that there were 5 answers to the OP's questions 4 of which agree with me. So it is you that is wrong, and have anger management issues. [...] Interesting! Do != Help You do have a serious IQ deficiency. So, Man, you should really read up on nettiquette. What the fuck is all this personal insulting bullshit? Have I insulted you or the OP? Have YOU ever had an IQ test? You seem so obsessed with it, maybe you should get one. and get a psycho exam while you're at it. BTW, in fact my IQ was formally tested as part of hiring process in 2005, and that was before I discovered FBSD - imagine what it is now Sorry to disappoint you, but mine was actually not 2 but rather 133, that's 3 points higher than the highest average of 95% of the population. using your interpretation, the next time someone posts asking for help with a problem they have encountered with FreeBSD, you are going to assume that they want you to actually fix it for them rather then give them some verbal assistance or a link to a possible fix? Pathetic to say the least. [...] Really, it took me just seconds to find this address: em...@uc-bcf.edu.ph. I have just sent a message to that address requesting that it be routed to his instructor, Ms. Nancy M. Flores If you would actually do your homework instead of all this inflammatory material, Nacy Flores is the Dean of the IT College. It was just a pun, a joke, get it? is your brain even capable of comprehending a little humor? requesting clarification on this assignment, particularly whether it is considered outside the bounds of the assignment to contact the FreeBSD mailing list directly. I included the OP's original post to this group so as to eliminate any confusion on her part. what is your problem man? why are you so angry and making this personal? -- Alejandro -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Here are some ideas: - Convince Americans to use their Debit cards instead of credit - Follow Thomas Jefferson's advice and dissolve the Fed - Re-read the Keynes v Hayek published inthe NY Times in 1932 - Do something about Bernard von NotHaus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:37:30 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Obviously, you are not well versed with Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. quote The way to make money is to buy stock at a low price, then when the price goes up, sell it. If the price doesn't go up, don't buy it. /quote -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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If only it were that easy! And excellent example of circular logic / illogic. -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:11 PM To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: more information On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:37:30 -0500 Gary Gatten articulated: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Obviously, you are not well versed with Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. quote The way to make money is to buy stock at a low price, then when the price goes up, sell it. If the price doesn't go up, don't buy it. /quote If only it were that easy! And excellent example of circular logic / illogic. font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:17:13PM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Jerry je...@seibercom.net wrote: On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:47:54 -0400 Alejandro Imass articulated: All he did was ask for some assistance; not for someone to do the actual assignment. Perhaps he could have worded it different; however, anyone with an IQ over 2 would have been aware of what his intent was. Exactly my point, thanks: With my humble IQ of 2, his e-mail reads Please do my homework for me. I'm actually not entirely certain what the querent's intent was at this point, but I think that providing the URI for a helpful guide to asking questions effectively is actually very pertinent and useful to the recipient, if that person has any interest in learning. If not, well, no harm done. Personally, if I was his instructor, I would give him high marks on initiative for going straight to the source and seeking answers. I am It's a good thing you are not! IMHO awarding laziness is not a good thing. Laziness is its own reward, when it is properly applied. For instance, writing code to accomplish a task many times in the future so you do not have to go through the motions all those many times yourself is an exercise of laziness that turns out to be both very productive and very rewarding. That is why laziness is one of the three virtues of a programmer, along with impatience and hubris. Of course abused laziness -- basically pushing off work on others or doing a crappy job for lack of interest in putting in the time and effort to do it right -- is bad laziness, and not the kind of good laziness I just described. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXqVl83jhBs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: more information
On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:37:30PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Regarding IQ tests . . . there's not much point in comparing measurements. I've taken half a dozen or so IQ tests over the years. Among them, all but two have landed between 135 and 168, depending on the specific test, the scale used, what I had for breakfast that morning, my mood, the sort of uses to which I've put my brain in the year or two immediately preceding the test, my age, and numerous other factors. Those other two tests -- one of them came in under 100, and the other was off the charts to the tune of +30 or more, probably a lot more according to the guy scoring it. Add to that an SAT score from way back when the SATs actually measured aptitude and were considered suitable measures of IQ to qualify people for Mensa membership, with every single score I've gotten differing notably from all the rest, and the result seems obvious: Whatever each of you has for an IQ score from some test years ago, chances are good that if you took a test again you would get a wildly different result. . . . and let's not forget that deficiencies in some areas can drag your score down, while particular aptitudes can in others can drag it up, skewing the overall results in a way that might set unrealistic expectations one way or the other for judging general intelligence. Good at spacial relations, but bad at abstract logic? Maybe you'll end up confusing the hell out of people who think you're brilliant half the time and rock stupid the other half. As for your money lost to the market, you're going to have a tough time getting someone to tell you a foolproof way to get it back that does not involve time travel. If I had a pretty clear view of your investment patterns over the years that led to these losses, though, I could probably give you some halfway decent advice to avoid taking similar losses in the future. Unfortunately, it's much more difficult to predict future (safe) money-makers than to point out where someone is just gambling with market trends that represent aberrations rather than the consistent positive growth that they think it really represents, with a basic grasp of some driving economic principles. In general, my first piece of advice would be that you should never invest in something whose success you do not actually understand at the level of microeconomic principles. Next, consider the political landscape that might skew the effect of those principles. . . . and if you can do that, you should also be able to develop a pretty good intuition for dealing with security threats for your FreeBSD systems, because a lot of those threats are essentially the result of economic and political circumstances inspiring people to act according to their natures. Voila. By a long and circuitous route, I brought it back to the subject of FreeBSD. Do I get a cookie? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpibmZStSvrl.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Friday 05 August 2011 19:47:17 Chad Perrin wrote: On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:37:30PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: If I find someone with an IQ of 160+ and they ask everyone to play nice, will you? Mine is only 140 something so I don't feel qualified to take this task on myself. It would be nice though if someone took such offense to a post they would simply ignore it or contact OP offline. Seem 50% of the content here is b!itching. Now sometimes, and perhaps most times, it serves as a source of entertainment for me. Others it's just annoying - such as now. With all this brain power and apparently spare time, can anyone tell me how to get back all the money I've lost in the market over the last 3 years? Or, perhaps in the last 3 days? I would like some help with that! Regarding IQ tests . . . there's not much point in comparing measurements. I've taken half a dozen or so IQ tests over the years. Among them, all but two have landed between 135 and 168, depending on the specific test, the scale used, what I had for breakfast that morning, my mood, the sort of uses to which I've put my brain in the year or two immediately preceding the test, my age, and numerous other factors. Those other two tests -- one of them came in under 100, and the other was off the charts to the tune of +30 or more, probably a lot more according to the guy scoring it. Add to that an SAT score from way back when the SATs actually measured aptitude and were considered suitable measures of IQ to qualify people for Mensa membership, with every single score I've gotten differing notably from all the rest, and the result seems obvious: Whatever each of you has for an IQ score from some test years ago, chances are good that if you took a test again you would get a wildly different result. . . . and let's not forget that deficiencies in some areas can drag your score down, while particular aptitudes can in others can drag it up, skewing the overall results in a way that might set unrealistic expectations one way or the other for judging general intelligence. Good at spacial relations, but bad at abstract logic? Maybe you'll end up confusing the hell out of people who think you're brilliant half the time and rock stupid the other half. As for your money lost to the market, you're going to have a tough time getting someone to tell you a foolproof way to get it back that does not involve time travel. If I had a pretty clear view of your investment patterns over the years that led to these losses, though, I could probably give you some halfway decent advice to avoid taking similar losses in the future. Unfortunately, it's much more difficult to predict future (safe) money-makers than to point out where someone is just gambling with market trends that represent aberrations rather than the consistent positive growth that they think it really represents, with a basic grasp of some driving economic principles. In general, my first piece of advice would be that you should never invest in something whose success you do not actually understand at the level of microeconomic principles. Next, consider the political landscape that might skew the effect of those principles. . . . and if you can do that, you should also be able to develop a pretty good intuition for dealing with security threats for your FreeBSD systems, because a lot of those threats are essentially the result of economic and political circumstances inspiring people to act according to their natures. Voila. By a long and circuitous route, I brought it back to the subject of FreeBSD. Do I get a cookie? Yeah, Chad! and crispy one indeed. This IQ thing is really boring. Luckily, I never had to take an IQ test but I know that some people who took them didn't have an option. It was either it or the job. But actually, I'm not even curious about it. It is much more appealing to me to spend time studying and learning new things about FreeBSD for instance, than to spend time, as short as it may be, trying to find out how big my brain d**k is. A lazy bum with an IQ of 2000 is worthless while an energetic jack ass with an IQ of -100 at least can be used to pull a chariot or something. IQ tests can't point out character and diligence. Psychological profiles may do that but that's for another troll. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. Zareena C. Bohol http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/book.html You should find many answers there. Hope it helps in someway. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, zareena crisostomo wrote: Please help me with my research work..I'm working on Freebsd as my OS. Tnx. And you attach a Word document? Your scam stinks to high heaven. Zareena C. Bohol -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:04:22 -0500, Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: And you attach a Word document? Your scam stinks to high heaven. It's a pdf... but yeah, weird. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Dear sir/madam, Myself Tejas Oza a student of post-graduation. I want to use Unix Operating system to run some of tools that are useful in my study. Please provide me information from where can i get it. and whether it is free or not? and if its free then please provide me the link for the same, to download image file. Thanking you, -- Tejas Oza ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 08/25/2010 05:26, tejas oza wrote: Dear sir/madam, Myself Tejas Oza a student of post-graduation. I want to use Unix Operating system to run some of tools that are useful in my study. Please provide me information from where can i get it. and whether it is free or not? and if its free then please provide me the link for the same, to download image file. Thanking you, You might want to try http://www.freebsd.org/ for starters. Good luck, -- jhell,v ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: for the information
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 02:56:20PM +0530, tejas oza wrote: Dear sir/madam, Myself Tejas Oza a student of post-graduation. I want to use Unix Operating system to run some of tools that are useful in my study. Please provide me information from where can i get it. and whether it is free or not? and if its free then please provide me the link for the same, to download image file. Start athttp://www.freebsd.org/ There you will find complete documentation in the Handbook plus additional FAQs about certain issues, links to all the distributions and the place to sign up for Email lists - I suggest signing up for at least freebsd-questions and freebsd-announce and there may be a couple of others you might like. If you have no experience in UNIX, then it will take some studying to become familiar with it. There are several books available. Some are more specific to FreeBSD and some are general UNIX books. There is a link to some of these on that freebsd web site also. At first it might seem too difficult, but some persistence will pay off and in the end your effort to learn will be worth the work. jerry Thanking you, -- Tejas Oza ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
On Mon, 31 May 2010 02:05:57 -0300 (ADT) Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Anh Ky Huynh wrote: the numbers are growing ... since the start of May, I've seen the numbers jump by almost 2k new computers, so it is growing ... but ppl have to consciously install the software ... I remember the days when I was using Linux with http://counter.li.org/ (my ID is 392115). Anonymousness is good but I think that I'll be proud of having a counter for my (Free)BSD box :) Why don't bsdstat support registration? one of the critical requirements that alot of ppl out there had at the start was anonymity ... not so much that they weren't proud to run *BSD, but for safety ... there is nothing in the database that can be traced back to the source, nor that can be spammed ... Also, easy of use was a big factor ... registration is just yet another step that ppl (myself included) generally just don't bother with ... it really doesn't give you much, and discourages alot of ppl from doing it ... ... and, in the case of PCBSD, would make it harder to have it auto-enabled, since it couldn't be enabled without the end user registering first, which most wouldn't do ... Uhm... I see. Thank you for your great explanation :) Regards, -- Anh Ky Huynh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Is this information obtainable?
I trying to estimate the number of Freebsd computers. To gauge a rough range size. Number of subscribers to this question list. Number of unique email address or ip address across all the Freebsd mailing lists. Number of unique ip address hits to the cvsup ftp servers since Jan 2009. Unique hits on the FreeBSD handbook since Jan 2009. Is this information obtainable? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:41:16 +0800 Aiza aiz...@comclark.com wrote: I trying to estimate the number of Freebsd computers. To gauge a rough range size. This may help: http://www.bsdstats.org/ :) Number of subscribers to this question list. Number of unique email address or ip address across all the Freebsd mailing lists. Number of unique ip address hits to the cvsup ftp servers since Jan 2009. Unique hits on the FreeBSD handbook since Jan 2009. Why these numbers? -- Anh Ky Huynh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
Anh Ky Huynh wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:41:16 +0800 Aiza aiz...@comclark.com wrote: I trying to estimate the number of Freebsd computers. To gauge a rough range size. This may help: http://www.bsdstats.org/ :) Number of subscribers to this question list. Number of unique email address or ip address across all the Freebsd mailing lists. Number of unique ip address hits to the cvsup ftp servers since Jan 2009. Unique hits on the FreeBSD handbook since Jan 2009. Why these numbers? Trying to generate from other sources, numbers to compare to what is reported on bsdstats. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Anh Ky Huynh wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:41:16 +0800 Aiza aiz...@comclark.com wrote: I trying to estimate the number of Freebsd computers. To gauge a rough range size. This may help: http://www.bsdstats.org/ :) BSDstats has a very long way to go before the numbers start to look rasonable ... for PCBSD, the #s are pretty reasonable, because they set it up so that its auto-enabled when you intall ... for FreeBSD, the numbers aren't even close, since ppl have to manually install it ... the numbers are growing ... since the start of May, I've seen the numbers jump by almost 2k new computers, so it is growing ... but ppl have to consciously install the software ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
On Mon, 31 May 2010 01:31:34 -0300 (ADT) Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010, Anh Ky Huynh wrote: On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:41:16 +0800 Aiza aiz...@comclark.com wrote: I trying to estimate the number of Freebsd computers. To gauge a rough range size. This may help: http://www.bsdstats.org/ :) BSDstats has a very long way to go before the numbers start to look rasonable ... for PCBSD, the #s are pretty reasonable, because they set it up so that its auto-enabled when you intall ... for FreeBSD, the numbers aren't even close, since ppl have to manually install it ... I think so:) I shouldn't use bsdstat on my servers, but I'm eager to use it on my desktops the numbers are growing ... since the start of May, I've seen the numbers jump by almost 2k new computers, so it is growing ... but ppl have to consciously install the software ... I remember the days when I was using Linux with http://counter.li.org/ (my ID is 392115). Anonymousness is good but I think that I'll be proud of having a counter for my (Free)BSD box :) Why don't bsdstat support registration? Just my two cents... Regards, -- Anh Ky Huynh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Is this information obtainable?
On Mon, 31 May 2010, Anh Ky Huynh wrote: the numbers are growing ... since the start of May, I've seen the numbers jump by almost 2k new computers, so it is growing ... but ppl have to consciously install the software ... I remember the days when I was using Linux with http://counter.li.org/ (my ID is 392115). Anonymousness is good but I think that I'll be proud of having a counter for my (Free)BSD box :) Why don't bsdstat support registration? one of the critical requirements that alot of ppl out there had at the start was anonymity ... not so much that they weren't proud to run *BSD, but for safety ... there is nothing in the database that can be traced back to the source, nor that can be spammed ... Also, easy of use was a big factor ... registration is just yet another step that ppl (myself included) generally just don't bother with ... it really doesn't give you much, and discourages alot of ppl from doing it ... ... and, in the case of PCBSD, would make it harder to have it auto-enabled, since it couldn't be enabled without the end user registering first, which most wouldn't do ... Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. scra...@hub.org http://www.hub.org Yahoo:yscrappySkype: hub.orgICQ:7615664MSN:scra...@hub.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On 23.04.10 18:02, Onur Aslan wrote: $ cat /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4; 8.8.8.4 is not a valid Nameserver. You want 8.8.4.4... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On 23-4-2010 17:22, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Onur Aslan wrote:
I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient in a
client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I
configured
dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook.
If the machine you are testing from is one of onur-pc or onur-eee, you aren't
getting a default router because you've only defined it for the dynamic pool
range of .4 - .24. Move the:
option routers 192.168.1.1;
...statement to the top level, or move the host declarations inside of the
subnet 192.168.1.0 block. Or copy the routers line to your host
declarations, I suppose.
No, better to keep routers information together with subnet (or else you
will get in trouble when adding a second subnet):
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
option routers 192.168.1.1;
pool {
range 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.24;
}
}
Peter
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Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On 23/04/10 15:14, Onur Aslan wrote:
Do you have any idea?
Still haven't solved the problem?
I just looked over your dhclient.conf:
#prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4;
#request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
# domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
# netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
# rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
request subnet-mask, broadcast-address;
Seems like you don't request router information.
As for dhcpd.conf, I don't know if you have a real need to keep static
addresses, if you do use fixed-address then your dhcpd.conf can only be
good for that subnet.
I have:
subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.254.0 { # Server subnet
default-lease-time 3600;
max-lease-time 86400;
option routers 192.168.0.1;
option domain-name-servers ns1.example.com;
option domain-name example.com;
pool {
range 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.127;
deny unknown-clients;
}
pool {
range 192.168.1.128 192.168.1.254;
allow unknown-clients;
}
}
group {
use-host-decl-names on;
host myhost {
hardware ethernet 00:ab:cd:de:f0:12;
}
}
With this my host declarations are good for any subnet I may define, and
I can set special options for known clients as needed - say I only want
to send router information to known clients, unknown clients will only
have access to the local network. Of course, this kind of security is
easy to circumvent. But I do use it to avoid non-diskless clients
suddenly booting off the network.
BR, Erik
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dhcpd doesn't sent route information
Erik Norgaard wrote: Seems like you don't request router information. After I changed request in dhclient.conf to: request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu, rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers; It's working fine. But it was getting route ip from other networks before doing that. I guess it's not a problem after all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
option domain-name-servers ns1.example.com; option domain-name example.com; A fqdn for a name server? That'll give you a chicken and egg problem, don't you think? Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On 24/04/10 17:41, Peter Boosten wrote: option domain-name-servers ns1.example.com; option domain-name example.com; A fqdn for a name server? That'll give you a chicken and egg problem, don't you think? No, the dhcpd server resolves the address and sends the ip to the clients. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On 24 apr 2010, at 23:07, Erik Norgaard wrote: On 24/04/10 17:41, Peter Boosten wrote: option domain-name-servers ns1.example.com; option domain-name example.com; A fqdn for a name server? That'll give you a chicken and egg problem, don't you think? No, the dhcpd server resolves the address and sends the ip to the clients. Ah, didn't know that. Thanks. Peter -- http://www.boosten.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
dhcpd doesn't sent route information
Hi.
I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient in a
client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I configured
dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook.
My dhcpd.conf file:
option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
default-lease-time 3600;
max-lease-time 86400;
ddns-update-style none;
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.24;
option routers 192.168.1.1;
}
host onur-pc {
hardware ethernet 00:0e:2e:ff:6b:e7;
fixed-address 192.168.1.2;
}
host onur-eee {
hardware ethernet 00:22:43:45:a1:2d;
fixed-address 192.168.1.3;
}
I attached client machines dhclient.conf file (client is Debian GNU/Linux
testing/squeeze).
Do you have any idea?
# Configuration file for /sbin/dhclient, which is included in Debian's
# dhcp3-client package.
#
# This is a sample configuration file for dhclient. See dhclient.conf's
# man page for more information about the syntax of this file
# and a more comprehensive list of the parameters understood by
# dhclient.
#
# Normally, if the DHCP server provides reasonable information and does
# not leave anything out (like the domain name, for example), then
# few changes must be made to this file, if any.
#
option rfc3442-classless-static-routes code 121 = array of unsigned integer 8;
#send host-name andare.fugue.com;
#send dhcp-client-identifier 1:0:a0:24:ab:fb:9c;
#send dhcp-lease-time 3600;
#supersede domain-name fugue.com home.vix.com;
#prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
prepend domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4;
#request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
# domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name,
# netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu,
# rfc3442-classless-static-routes, ntp-servers;
request subnet-mask, broadcast-address;
#require subnet-mask, domain-name-servers;
#timeout 60;
#retry 60;
#reboot 10;
#select-timeout 5;
#initial-interval 2;
#script /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script;
#media -link0 -link1 -link2, link0 link1;
#reject 192.33.137.209;
#alias {
# interface eth0;
# fixed-address 192.5.5.213;
# option subnet-mask 255.255.255.255;
#}
#lease {
# interface eth0;
# fixed-address 192.33.137.200;
# medium link0 link1;
# option host-name andare.swiftmedia.com;
# option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
# option broadcast-address 192.33.137.255;
# option routers 192.33.137.250;
# option domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
# renew 2 2000/1/12 00:00:01;
# rebind 2 2000/1/12 00:00:01;
# expire 2 2000/1/12 00:00:01;
#}
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Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Onur Aslan wrote: I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient in a client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I configured dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook. If the machine you are testing from is one of onur-pc or onur-eee, you aren't getting a default router because you've only defined it for the dynamic pool range of .4 - .24. Move the: option routers 192.168.1.1; ...statement to the top level, or move the host declarations inside of the subnet 192.168.1.0 block. Or copy the routers line to your host declarations, I suppose. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
I tried, but It doesn't helped. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:22:54AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Onur Aslan wrote: I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient in a client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I configured dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook. If the machine you are testing from is one of onur-pc or onur-eee, you aren't getting a default router because you've only defined it for the dynamic pool range of .4 - .24. Move the: option routers 192.168.1.1; ...statement to the top level, or move the host declarations inside of the subnet 192.168.1.0 block. Or copy the routers line to your host declarations, I suppose. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
Onur Aslan wrote: I tried, but It doesn't helped. Please show us the revised dhcpd.conf. Also, did you -HUP your named? Kevin Kinsey A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:22:54AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Onur Aslan wrote: I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient in a client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I configured dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook. If the machine you are testing from is one of onur-pc or onur-eee, you aren't getting a default router because you've only defined it for the dynamic pool range of .4 - .24. Move the: option routers 192.168.1.1; ...statement to the top level, or move the host declarations inside of the subnet 192.168.1.0 block. Or copy the routers line to your host declarations, I suppose. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Onur Aslan wrote: I tried, but It doesn't helped. Please show us the revised dhcpd.conf. Also, did you -HUP your named? Sorry! That should be dhcpd. $kill -HUP `pgrep dhcpd` should do the trick. KDK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
$ cat /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf
option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
default-lease-time 3600;
max-lease-time 86400;
ddns-update-style none;
option routers 192.168.1.1;
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.24;
}
host onur-pc {
hardware ethernet 00:0e:2e:ff:6b:e7;
fixed-address 192.168.1.2;
}
host onur-eee {
hardware ethernet 00:22:43:45:a1:2d;
fixed-address 192.168.1.3;
}
#
I am starting dhcpd with '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/isc-dhcpd start'. It's
starting with this command:
/usr/local/sbin/dhcpd -cf /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf -lf
/var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases -pf /var/run/dhcpd/dhcpd.pid -user dhcpd
-group dhcpd ral0
After I added dhcpd_flags=-HUP to my rc.conf It's giving an error
message when I starting dhcpd:
# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/isc-dhcpd restart
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.7
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
Usage: dhcpd [-p UDP port #] [-d] [-f]
[-cf config-file] [-lf lease-file]
[-user user] [-group group]
[-chroot dir] [-early_chroot]
[-jail name ip]
[-tf trace-output-file]
[-play trace-input-file]
[-t] [-T] [-s server] [if0 [...ifN]]
Configuration file sanity check failed:
===
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.7
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
Usage: dhcpd [-p UDP port #] [-d] [-f]
[-cf config-file] [-lf lease-file]
[-user user] [-group group]
[-chroot dir] [-early_chroot]
[-jail name ip]
[-tf trace-output-file]
[-play trace-input-file]
[-t] [-T] [-s server] [if0 [...ifN]]
===
It's saying 'Configuration file sanity check failed' but I don't see
any problem in my configuration file.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Onur Aslan wrote:
I tried, but It doesn't helped.
Please show us the revised dhcpd.conf. Also, did you -HUP
your named?
Kevin Kinsey
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:22:54AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote:
On Apr 23, 2010, at 6:14 AM, Onur Aslan wrote:
I am using isc-dhcp30-server-3.0.7_5 in FreeBSD 7.2. When I run dhclient
in a
client machine, this machine doesn't get gateway from dhcp server. I
configured
dhcpd server as described in FreeBSD handbook.
If the machine you are testing from is one of onur-pc or
onur-eee, you aren't
getting a default router because you've only defined it for the dynamic
pool
range of .4 - .24. Move the:
option routers 192.168.1.1;
...statement to the top level, or move the host declarations
inside
of the subnet 192.168.1.0 block. Or copy the routers line to your
host declarations, I suppose.
Regards,
--
-Chuck
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Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
Hi-- On Apr 23, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Onur Aslan wrote: After I added dhcpd_flags=-HUP to my rc.conf It's giving an error message when I starting dhcpd: Remove that; I believe what Kevin meant was to do this: kill -HUP `cat /var/run/dhcpd.pid` ...to restart dhcpd. Running dhcpd -t will let you test the config file syntax, but what you've shown most recently should work now. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: dhcpd doesn't sent route information
Onur Aslan wrote:
$ cat /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf
option domain-name-servers 8.8.8.8, 8.8.8.4;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
default-lease-time 3600;
max-lease-time 86400;
ddns-update-style none;
option routers 192.168.1.1;
subnet 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.1.4 192.168.1.24;
}
host onur-pc {
hardware ethernet 00:0e:2e:ff:6b:e7;
fixed-address 192.168.1.2;
}
host onur-eee {
hardware ethernet 00:22:43:45:a1:2d;
fixed-address 192.168.1.3;
}
#
I am starting dhcpd with '/usr/local/etc/rc.d/isc-dhcpd start'. It's
starting with this command:
/usr/local/sbin/dhcpd -cf /usr/local/etc/dhcpd.conf -lf
/var/db/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases -pf /var/run/dhcpd/dhcpd.pid -user dhcpd
-group dhcpd ral0
After I added dhcpd_flags=-HUP to my rc.conf It's giving an error
message when I starting dhcpd:
# /usr/local/etc/rc.d/isc-dhcpd restart
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.7
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
Usage: dhcpd [-p UDP port #] [-d] [-f]
[-cf config-file] [-lf lease-file]
[-user user] [-group group]
[-chroot dir] [-early_chroot]
[-jail name ip]
[-tf trace-output-file]
[-play trace-input-file]
[-t] [-T] [-s server] [if0 [...ifN]]
Configuration file sanity check failed:
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Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Server V3.0.7
Copyright 2004-2008 Internet Systems Consortium.
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Usage: dhcpd [-p UDP port #] [-d] [-f]
[-cf config-file] [-lf lease-file]
[-user user] [-group group]
[-chroot dir] [-early_chroot]
[-jail name ip]
[-tf trace-output-file]
[-play trace-input-file]
[-t] [-T] [-s server] [if0 [...ifN]]
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-HUP is an option to kill(1). Many daemons can
be told to re-read their configuration file like this:
kill -HUP `pgrep daemonname`
where daemonname is something like dhcpd, named, inetd,
httpd, etc. I've never had much trouble with dhcpd, so I
may be wrong about using kill -HUP on it; I am fairly
certain you don't wanna flag -HUP in /etc/rc.conf,
though. Take it away and the usage message will disappear.
It's saying 'Configuration file sanity check failed' but I don't see
any problem in my configuration file.
Me neither, unless Chuck was also mistaken and you can't put the
option routers line up there, I don't think I see anything either.
Of course, my monitor's a little dusty and I think I need a stronger
eyeglass prescription :-)
If at first you don't succeed, edit, and try again? :-)
KDK
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Does geli metadata contain sensitive information?
Does a geli metadata backup contain any sensitive information? Like... should apply the same precations as I do the key and password? Thanks! -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does geli metadata contain sensitive information?
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:13:42 -0700 Modulok modu...@gmail.com wrote: Does a geli metadata backup contain any sensitive information? Like... should apply the same precations as I do the key and password? If you change the keyfile the metadata is changed and the old keyfile becomes useless; but if the attacker also has the old metadata file they can make use of the old keyfile. Likewise if someone has the metadata you lose the ability to delete all copies of it making the partition instantaneously unrecoverable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
mount_udf information
Does anyone know where I can find out what versions of the UDF file system that the FreeBSD mount_udf command supports? Or more specifically does anyone know if it's possible to mount an ISO image of Windows 2008 server with FreeBSD? I created an ISO image server running on FreeBSD 7.2 (Also tested on a FreeBSD 8.0 machine, no change in results) to store the ISO images we use frequently. Serving them both through NFS for access to be mounted as CD/DVD drives with on VMware ESX servers, and through samba shares both as ISO images and mounted as read only file systems. Everything worked great right up until I got to the mounting of the Windows 2008 Server DVDs. Tried using: mdconfig -a -t vnode -f /windows2008serverdvd.iso -u 0 mount -t udf /dev/md0 /mnt/windows2008serverdvd It returns mount_udf: /dev/md0: Invalid argument And logs a kernel error of FSD does not lie within the partition! Thanks, Dean Weimer Network Administrator Orscheln Management Co ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Prompt containing SSH login information
2009/11/24 Polytropon free...@edvax.de: Hi, again, a strange question: I'd like to know if there is a builtin means to let the csh's (or bash's) prompt show an information if the current dialog session has been opened via SSH from another system. The obvious is: �...@sys1:~% ssh m...@sys2 �...@sys2:~% _ I'd like the second prompt that I've been logged into sys2 by sys1, such as �...@sys1sys2:~% _ How about this: - On all servers add the following to sshd_config: AcceptEnv MYPROMPT - and the following to ssh_config: Host * SendEnv MYPROMPT - fix shell rc files on servers and workstation: MYPROMPT=$MYPROMPT$u...@$(hostname -s) export MYPROMPT and you will get more than two hosts: m...@sys1m...@sys2m...@sys3:~% We use this for root account to give every admin his own: /root/.zshrc.admin /root/.zlogin.admin /root/.zhistory.admin /root/.vimrc.admin /root/.viminfo.admin ... -- Artis Caune Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Prompt containing SSH login information
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:22:47 -0800, George Davidovich free...@optimis.net wrote: I'd suggest parsing out w(1), or better yet, making use of environmental variables instead. The following, for example, are set by ssh: SSH_CLIENT SSH_CONNECTION SSH_TTY That sounds interesting, I'll research on this further. Out of curiosity, why are you wanting to do this? Are you chaining connections and need an analog of SHLVL for ssh connections? Quite. Because most of my systems look uniform (prompt and other things), I'd like to immediately know where I am, especially when I need to walk subnet paths (which sometimes is a security requirement - one server that allows SSH from external, all connected clients only allow SSH from local network), so I think it would be good to know what's exactly going on. I think the prompt is the most obvious thing to put those informations, because I'm looking at it anyway. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Prompt containing SSH login information
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 05:10:38AM +0100, Polytropon typed:
Hi,
again, a strange question: I'd like to know if there is a builtin
means to let the csh's (or bash's) prompt show an information if
the current dialog session has been opened via SSH from another
system. The obvious is:
m...@sys1:~% ssh m...@sys2
m...@sys2:~% _
I'd like the second prompt that I've been logged into sys2 by
sys1, such as
m...@sys1sys2:~% _
or reverse
m...@sys2sys1:~% _
or something similar, like the complex form with different user
names, such as
m...@sys1:~% ssh b...@sys2
m...@sys1b...@sys2:~% _
Is this possible with the means given by the shell? I read man
csh, but found nothing that would fit.
Maybe it's not possible (because not intended)...
In tcsh there's the REMOTEHOST env variable. Don't know about bash.
Something like:
set prompt = ${us...@${host}${REMOTEHOST}
should do it?
Ruben
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Re: Prompt containing SSH login information
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 12:19:45 +0100, Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org wrote:
In tcsh there's the REMOTEHOST env variable. Don't know about bash.
Something like:
set prompt = ${us...@${host}${REMOTEHOST}
should do it?
That's an approach, it it makes the upper stage visible;
it works in bash, too.
For interactive shells, I would include a test if $REMOTEHOST
is set, and if it is, then it's a SSH session, so a different
prompt has to be set.
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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Prompt containing SSH login information
Hi, again, a strange question: I'd like to know if there is a builtin means to let the csh's (or bash's) prompt show an information if the current dialog session has been opened via SSH from another system. The obvious is: m...@sys1:~% ssh m...@sys2 m...@sys2:~% _ I'd like the second prompt that I've been logged into sys2 by sys1, such as m...@sys1sys2:~% _ or reverse m...@sys2sys1:~% _ or something similar, like the complex form with different user names, such as m...@sys1:~% ssh b...@sys2 m...@sys1b...@sys2:~% _ Is this possible with the means given by the shell? I read man csh, but found nothing that would fit. Maybe it's not possible (because not intended)... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Prompt containing SSH login information
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 05:10:38AM +0100, Polytropon wrote: again, a strange question: I'd like to know if there is a builtin means to let the csh's (or bash's) prompt show an information if the current dialog session has been opened via SSH from another system. The obvious is: m...@sys1:~% ssh m...@sys2 m...@sys2:~% _ I'd like the second prompt that I've been logged into sys2 by sys1, such as m...@sys1sys2:~% _ or reverse m...@sys2sys1:~% _ or something similar, like the complex form with different user names, such as m...@sys1:~% ssh b...@sys2 m...@sys1b...@sys2:~% _ Is this possible with the means given by the shell? I read man csh, but found nothing that would fit. Maybe it's not possible (because not intended)... I'd suggest parsing out w(1), or better yet, making use of environmental variables instead. The following, for example, are set by ssh: SSH_CLIENT SSH_CONNECTION SSH_TTY Out of curiosity, why are you wanting to do this? Are you chaining connections and need an analog of SHLVL for ssh connections? -- George ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables
On Thursday 29 October 2009 20:44:12 Martin McCormick wrote: Giorgos Keramidas writes: You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want the output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those together. The alternative is to use join(1). A records look like: hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123 Text or TXT records look similar [...] hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123 This will work well since the default join field is the first field in the line. Jonathan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Merging Related Information from 2 Tables
This is probably going to be a hashing exercise but I am checking to see if any of the building blocks needed are already out there. The problem is simple to describe in that there are 2 tables. One is a DNS zone transfer table of all the A or Address records in a given zone or from several zones for that matter. the other table is from the same zones and consists of text or TXT records. The only thing the 2 tables have in common is that some of the TXT records share the exact same name field as the A records so we should be able to display the important contents of the A and TXT records on the same line if their names match. The challenge is to do this quickly so some sort of hash function is needed to locate A and TXT records having the same name. Grep does this beautifully for single entries across multiple files, but I need to merge the text part of the TXT record with the IP address and host name from the A record with the same name. The only hard part is finding the quickest way to match the roughly 25,000 host names in the A records with around half as many TXT records. This is basically a bucket list problem in which we can either have an A record name in a bucket by itself or an A record in a given bucket and a TXT record in another bucket with the same name as the A record. In the interest of standing on the shoulders of giants, I am checking to see how much tried and tested tools already exist and how much needs to be home-grown. It is also possible to use egrep to search for A and TXT records in 1 pass through a file in which case one would search from the same file for both record types but the problem is the same. In case anybody wonders: egrep '([[:space:]]IN([[:space:]]TXT[[:space:]]|[[:space:]]A[[:space:]]))' okstate.zone ATXT.txt The line break here is for Email consideration. The above command should all be on one line. Thanks for any suggestions. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:56 -0500, Martin McCormick
mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote:
This is probably going to be a hashing exercise but I am checking to see
if any of the building blocks needed are already out there.
The problem is simple to describe in that there are 2 tables. One is a
DNS zone transfer table of all the A or Address records in a given zone
or from several zones for that matter. the other table is from the same
zones and consists of text or TXT records. The only thing the 2 tables
have in common is that some of the TXT records share the exact same name
field as the A records so we should be able to display the important
contents of the A and TXT records on the same line if their names match.
The challenge is to do this quickly so some sort of hash function is
needed to locate A and TXT records having the same name.
Hi Martin,
You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash...
If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want the
output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those
together.
With a short input file like this:
: keram...@kobe:/tmp$ cat input-file
: localhost IN A 127.0.0.1
: kobeIN A 127.0.0.1
: kobeIN TXT This is a test
You can construct a hash map of hostname - list of records in
Python with a relatively short script:
: #!/usr/bin/env python
:
: import re
: import sys
:
: are = None # a regexp for matching 'A' records
: txtre = None# a regexp for matching 'TXT' records
:
: try:
: are =
re.compile(r'^\s*(\S+)\s+[iI][nN]\s+[aA]\s+(((25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)\.){3}(25[0-5]|2[0-4][0-9]|[01]?[0-9][0-9]?)).*$')
: txtre = re.compile(r'^\s*(\S+)\s+[iI][nN]\s+[tT][xX][tT]\s+(.*)$')
: except Exception, inst:
: sys.stderr.write('regexp error: %s' % str(inst))
: sys.exit(1)
:
: hosts = {}
:
: for l in sys.stdin.readlines():
: l = l.rstrip('\n\r')
: # Is this an A record?
: m = are.match(l)
: if m:
: (name, addr) = (m.group(1), m.group(2))
: rec = ('A', addr)
: if not name in hosts:
: hosts[name] = [rec]
: else:
: hosts[name].append(rec)
: # Is this a TXT record?
: m = txtre.match(l)
: if m:
: (name, text) = (m.group(1), m.group(2))
: rec = ('TXT', text)
: if not name in hosts:
: hosts[name] = [rec]
: else:
: hosts[name].append(rec)
:
: print hosts
Running this script should produce something like:
: keram...@kobe:/tmp$ python martin.py input-file
: {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'), ('TXT', 'This is a test')],
: 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]}
When you have the hash map of hostname to record-list for each host, you
can select and print any combination of host=record from this hash.
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Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables
Giorgos Keramidas writes: You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash... If you show us a few sample lines from the input file and how you want the output to look, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly hack one of those together. Perl and python-- I wasn't even thinking of that! Thank you. I have installed python now on the FreeBSD system and will start learning it. A records look like: hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123 Text or TXT records look similar except that the data they convey are ASCII text strings of various information that are either read by people or maybe tell servers how to behave toward that particular client. hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123 Our hope is to have an output line looking like: 192.168.2.123 hydrogen.cis.osu cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123 We will actually run that output through sed to convert the 's to blanks and also the ,'s to blanks but that is trivial. Thanks for the examples. Martin McCormick ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Merging Related Information from 2 Tables
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:37:09 +0200, Giorgos Keramidas
keram...@ceid.upatras.gr wrote:
You should use a Perl or Python script, and a hash...
...
Running this script should produce something like:
: keram...@kobe:/tmp$ python martin.py input-file
: {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'), ('TXT', 'This is a test')],
: 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]}
When you have the hash map of hostname to record-list for each host, you
can select and print any combination of host=record from this hash.
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:44:12 -0500, Martin McCormick
mar...@dc.cis.okstate.edu wrote:
Perl and python-- I wasn't even thinking of that! Thank you. I have
installed python now on the FreeBSD system and will start learning it.
A records look like:
hydrogen.cis.osu. 43200 IN A 192.168.2.123
Text or TXT records look similar except that the data they
convey are ASCII text strings of various information that are
either read by people or maybe tell servers how to behave toward
that particular client.
hydrogen.cis.osu. 5 IN TXT cordell-north,009,192.168.2.123
Once you slurp all the A and TXT records in a hash-map or another data
structure of your own with Python, you can iterate over the hash and
print parts or all of it. For example, if you have the hash I printed
in my previous reply, you can print all addresses and text records with
a small bit of code:
: keram...@kobe:/home/keramida$ cat hello.py
: #!/usr/bin/env python
:
: hosts = {'kobe': [('A', '127.0.0.1'),
: ('TXT', 'This is a test')],
: 'localhost': [('A', '127.0.0.1')]}
:
: for h in sorted(hosts):
: addrs = [x[1] for x in hosts[h] if x[0] == 'A']
: txts = [x[1] for x in hosts[h] if x[0] == 'TXT']
: for a in addrs:
: if len(txts) == 0:
: txts = []
: for t in txts:
: print %-20s %-30s %s % (a, h, t)
: keram...@kobe:/home/keramida$ python hello.py
: 127.0.0.1kobe This is a test
: 127.0.0.1localhost
: keram...@kobe:/home/keramida$
Add or remove formatting as you see fit :-)
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Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
2009/8/28 Ruben de Groot mai...@bzerk.org On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:28:26PM -0400, APseudoUtopia typed: Two more questions then I should be ready to go with my jail(s). In order to minimize the HDD space of the jail, can I add things in my src.conf such as WITHOUT_BOOT, WITHOUT_ACPI, WITHOUT_PF? Yes you can. Another option is to use read only nullfs mounts for e.g. /usr, /lib, /sbin/ /bin to populate the jail. That will cost you no HDD space at all. The ezjail port, allready mentioned, can more or less automate this. I do use pf on the host system, but it isn't needed inside the jail as well, correct? Rather, it's not possible to use inside a standard (non-vimage) jail. There's only one network stack. Also, is it possible to compile a port (specifically nginx) inside the host, then simply cp it into the jail and run it? I'd like to do this to avoid installing a compiler into the jail itself. make package-recursive Ruben Thanks again for the help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I've not seen all this post so sorry if this has been mentioned before. Apache has a module called mod_jail, that means (im pretty sure) you dont have to build the full jail environment. I've not looked at it in detail but it's probably worth looking at before you start hacking around with full jails http://www.freebsdsoftware.org/www/mod_jail.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:28:26PM -0400, APseudoUtopia typed: Two more questions then I should be ready to go with my jail(s). In order to minimize the HDD space of the jail, can I add things in my src.conf such as WITHOUT_BOOT, WITHOUT_ACPI, WITHOUT_PF? Yes you can. Another option is to use read only nullfs mounts for e.g. /usr, /lib, /sbin/ /bin to populate the jail. That will cost you no HDD space at all. The ezjail port, allready mentioned, can more or less automate this. I do use pf on the host system, but it isn't needed inside the jail as well, correct? Rather, it's not possible to use inside a standard (non-vimage) jail. There's only one network stack. Also, is it possible to compile a port (specifically nginx) inside the host, then simply cp it into the jail and run it? I'd like to do this to avoid installing a compiler into the jail itself. make package-recursive Ruben Thanks again for the help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Erich Dollanskyer...@apsara.com.sg wrote: Hi, On 27 August 2009 am 11:10:37 Adam Vande More wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? Very light when compared to other virtualization methods. jails share the kernel but not the world. So, there will be only one kernel loaded but all libraries in use will be loaded individually by each jail when needed. Jails need some more disk space as the world, all libraries needed and all applications needed are installed individually in each jail. This can be minimised with proper planning of what runs it what jail. Erich Thanks for the helpful replies. I have a couple of questions: When a jail is compromised, the only thing I have to do to recover the system is delete the jail and create a new one, correct? The host system is untouched even if a jail is compromised? And how does the upgrade process work? I know the userland must be the same for the host system and the jail. If I want to upgrade to, say, FreeBSD 8 when released, what is the process? I'd imagine it goes something like this, but I'm not sure: -Shut down jail -Upgrade host system -Install host binaries -Install jail binaries -Restart jail Or is there more to the process than what it seems? Thanks again. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:13 AM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Erich Dollanskyer...@apsara.com.sg wrote: Hi, On 27 August 2009 am 11:10:37 Adam Vande More wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? Very light when compared to other virtualization methods. jails share the kernel but not the world. So, there will be only one kernel loaded but all libraries in use will be loaded individually by each jail when needed. Jails need some more disk space as the world, all libraries needed and all applications needed are installed individually in each jail. This can be minimised with proper planning of what runs it what jail. Erich Thanks for the helpful replies. I have a couple of questions: When a jail is compromised, the only thing I have to do to recover the system is delete the jail and create a new one, correct? The host system is untouched even if a jail is compromised? Really depends on how you're using the jail, but under standard usage yes. And how does the upgrade process work? I know the userland must be the same for the host system and the jail. If I want to upgrade to, say, FreeBSD 8 when released, what is the process? I'd imagine it goes something like this, but I'm not sure: -Shut down jail -Upgrade host system -Install host binaries -Install jail binaries -Restart jail Or is there more to the process than what it seems? That's the basic process, however as mentioned before checkout ezjail. It makes administering multiple jails much easier and can save you disk space. Thanks again. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Adam Vande Moreamvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:13 AM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Erich Dollanskyer...@apsara.com.sg wrote: Hi, On 27 August 2009 am 11:10:37 Adam Vande More wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? Very light when compared to other virtualization methods. jails share the kernel but not the world. So, there will be only one kernel loaded but all libraries in use will be loaded individually by each jail when needed. Jails need some more disk space as the world, all libraries needed and all applications needed are installed individually in each jail. This can be minimised with proper planning of what runs it what jail. Erich Thanks for the helpful replies. I have a couple of questions: When a jail is compromised, the only thing I have to do to recover the system is delete the jail and create a new one, correct? The host system is untouched even if a jail is compromised? Really depends on how you're using the jail, but under standard usage yes. And how does the upgrade process work? I know the userland must be the same for the host system and the jail. If I want to upgrade to, say, FreeBSD 8 when released, what is the process? I'd imagine it goes something like this, but I'm not sure: -Shut down jail -Upgrade host system -Install host binaries -Install jail binaries -Restart jail Or is there more to the process than what it seems? That's the basic process, however as mentioned before checkout ezjail. It makes administering multiple jails much easier and can save you disk space. Thanks again. Ok, thanks. Two more questions then I should be ready to go with my jail(s). In order to minimize the HDD space of the jail, can I add things in my src.conf such as WITHOUT_BOOT, WITHOUT_ACPI, WITHOUT_PF? I do use pf on the host system, but it isn't needed inside the jail as well, correct? Also, is it possible to compile a port (specifically nginx) inside the host, then simply cp it into the jail and run it? I'd like to do this to avoid installing a compiler into the jail itself. Thanks again for the help. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
Le 26/08/2009 à 22:59:34-0400, APseudoUtopia a écrit Hello, I have a small site which runs PostgreSQL, Nginx, and PHP. I'm looking into running nginx inside a jailed host on my server for security reasons (eg, if there is a hole in a php script). The website root is actually a working copy of my subversion repository. I have svnserve running through OpenVPN. My plan would be to have svnserve and OpenVPN running on the main system, and nginx/php running inside a jail. I was wondering if it would be somehow possible to run a command on the main system that updates the svn working copy inside the jail for nginx to serve. Would I need to do the svn up over tcp/ip from the jail to the main system? Or can I somehow update it via file://path/to/main/repo? I've never used or setup a jail before, so IMHO that's bad idea. Someday you maybe want to put your website in other machine, maybe you want to have two server to duplicate your website (just need rsync). If you want update you svn repository you can put in your subversion server in the hook-scripts something like wget http://your_website/some_where/update_repo /dev/null and in your web serveur (jail or not) you create some script update_repo with cd /your_web_site_dir svn up You can add some deny in your apache conf to authorized only your svn serveur to make the wget Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? I'm willing to run postgresql in If you have only 32Mo you can have some problem ;-) I run almost ~20 jail server on one physical server without any problem. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: Jeu 27 aoû 2009 21:44:15 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
Hello, I have a small site which runs PostgreSQL, Nginx, and PHP. I'm looking into running nginx inside a jailed host on my server for security reasons (eg, if there is a hole in a php script). The website root is actually a working copy of my subversion repository. I have svnserve running through OpenVPN. My plan would be to have svnserve and OpenVPN running on the main system, and nginx/php running inside a jail. I was wondering if it would be somehow possible to run a command on the main system that updates the svn working copy inside the jail for nginx to serve. Would I need to do the svn up over tcp/ip from the jail to the main system? Or can I somehow update it via file://path/to/main/repo? I've never used or setup a jail before, so how everything works is a bit confusing to me. Right now, I use an svn post-commit hook to update the www working copy. Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? I'm willing to run postgresql in another jail as well if it wouldn't be too memory-intensive. And possibly even an IRC server. I'm running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3. Thank you for the suggestions, advise, and criticisms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I have a small site which runs PostgreSQL, Nginx, and PHP. I'm looking into running nginx inside a jailed host on my server for security reasons (eg, if there is a hole in a php script). The website root is actually a working copy of my subversion repository. I have svnserve running through OpenVPN. My plan would be to have svnserve and OpenVPN running on the main system, and nginx/php running inside a jail. I was wondering if it would be somehow possible to run a command on the main system that updates the svn working copy inside the jail for nginx to serve. Would I need to do the svn up over tcp/ip from the jail to the main system? Or can I somehow update it via file://path/to/main/repo? The second method, it's quite easy. I've never used or setup a jail before, so how everything works is a bit confusing to me. Right now, I use an svn post-commit hook to update the www working copy. Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? Very light when compared to other virtualization methods. Usually, most setups won't run things that require a lot disk io in virtual systems, but jails are an exception. Practically native speed, it's easier to understand jails by thinking of them as an enhanced chroot enviro rather than a virtualization instance. I'm willing to run postgresql in another jail as well if it wouldn't be too memory-intensive. And possibly even an IRC server. If you're going to run multiple jails, look at /usr/ports/sysutils/ezjail I'm running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3. Keep in mind jail needs to run same kernel as host. If you upgrade base system, do so with every jail as well. Thank you for the suggestions, advise, and criticisms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
Hi, On 27 August 2009 am 11:10:37 Adam Vande More wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, APseudoUtopia apseudouto...@gmail.comwrote: Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? Very light when compared to other virtualization methods. jails share the kernel but not the world. So, there will be only one kernel loaded but all libraries in use will be loaded individually by each jail when needed. Jails need some more disk space as the world, all libraries needed and all applications needed are installed individually in each jail. This can be minimised with proper planning of what runs it what jail. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Information on Setting up a Jailed Webserver
may be it will better to imagine that jail is a different computer, so if your jail need connection to main host it will connect like other computer that not running in jail. you can do file:// from main host to jail but not from jail to main host. As far I know jail is a method so memory intensive is depend on your application. regards Thomas APseudoUtopia wrote: ... [cut] I was wondering if it would be somehow possible to run a command on the main system that updates the svn working copy inside the jail for nginx to serve. Would I need to do the svn up over tcp/ip from the jail to the main system? Or can I somehow update it via file://path/to/main/repo? I've never used or setup a jail before, so how everything works is a bit confusing to me. Right now, I use an svn post-commit hook to update the www working copy. Also, how memory-intensive is a jail? I'm willing to run postgresql in another jail as well if it wouldn't be too memory-intensive. And possibly even an IRC server. I'm running FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE-p3. Thank you for the suggestions, advise, and criticisms. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
showing dependency information in ports
I'm sure that this has been asked before, but I cannot find the answer recorded anywhere. I'm likely looking in the wrong places. Is there a simple tool in freebsd to show the reverse dependency tree of a package? ie. D is required by C is required by B is required by A ? Not to mention forward dependencies? I suppose I could write one but it seems like this must have been done already. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpcsSsn7IrIY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: showing dependency information in ports
Michael P. Soulier wrote: I'm sure that this has been asked before, but I cannot find the answer recorded anywhere. I'm likely looking in the wrong places. Is there a simple tool in freebsd to show the reverse dependency tree of a package? pkg_tree in ports Mike -- Eitan Adler Security is increased by designing for the way humans actually behave. -Jakob Nielsen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Security Alert : Account Information
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Security Alert : Account Information
[mhd_reg_logo.gif] [em_title_red.gif] Dear Bank Of America customer, Protecting the security of our customers and the Bank Of America network , as a preventative measure, we have temporarily limited access to sensitive account features. To restore your account access, please take the following steps to ensure that your account has not been compromised: After updates : 1.Login to your Bank Of America Online Banking account. In case you are not enrolled for Online Banking, you will have to fill in all the required information, including your name and you account number. 2. Review your recent account history for any unauthorized withdrawals or deposits, and check you account profile to make sure not changes have been made. If any unauthorized activity has taken place on your account, report this to Bank Of America staff im! mediately. To get started, plea! se click the link below: [1]http://www.bankofamerica.com/Survey/online-secure/BankOfAmerica/ _ This alert has been sent to you based on your preferences. If you would like to make any changes to your Online Banking Alerts service, please sign in to Online Banking and visit the Manage Alerts section. Because your reply will not be transmitted via secure e-mail, the e-mail address that generated this alert will not accept replies. If you would like to contact Bank of America with questions or comments, please sign in to Online Banking and visit the customer service section. _ Bank of America, N.A. Member FDIC. Equal Housing Lender © 2008 Bank of America Corporation. All rights reserved _ References 1. http://mindandbodywellness.org/templates/rhuk_milkyway/html/update.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
Hi. I believe YES, based on [1]http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.b in/uname/uname.c?rev=1.14.28.1;content-type=text%2Fplain . See NATIVE_SYSCTL2_GET(version, CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION), on source abov= e. I hope I've helped. Trober tro...@trober.com - - - - - - Mensagem Original - = De: [2]Robert Huff Para: [3]questi...@freebsd.org= /DIV Data: Quarta, 21 De Janeiro De 2009 = 03:26 Assunto: source of uname information = BRAm I correct in believing uname gets its information from the kern= .version sysctl? Robert Huff __= _ [4]freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing list [5]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freeb sd.org References 1. file://localhost/tmp/3Dhtt 2. 3Dmailto:roberth...@rcn.com 3. 3Dmailto:questi...@freebsd.org; 4. 3Dmailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; 5. =http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
Hi. I believe YES, based on [1]http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb. cgi/src/usr.bin/uname/uname.c?rev=1.14.28.1;content-type=3 Dtext= %2Fplain. See = NATIVE_SYSCTL2_GET(ver= sion, CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION), on source above. I hope I've helpe= d. Trober tro...@trober.com - - - - - - Mensagem Original - = De: [2]Robert Huff Para: [3]questi...@freebsd.org= /DIV Data: Quarta, 21 De Janeiro De 2009 = 03:26 Assunto: source of uname information = BRAm I correct in believing uname gets its information from the kern= .version sysctl? Robert Huff __= _ [4]freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org mailing list [5]http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freeb sd.org References 1. file://localhost/tmp/3Dhtt 2. 3Dmailto:roberth...@rcn.com 3. 3Dmailto:questi...@freebsd.org; 4. 3Dmailto:freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; 5. =http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions; ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
Trober tro...@trober.com: Am I correct in believing uname gets its information from the kern.version sysctl? I believe YES, based on [1]http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/usr.bin/uname/uname.c See = NATIVE_SYSCTL2_GET(ver= sion, CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION), on source above. I hope I've helped. It does. Next question: Can someone explain this: h...@jerusalem sysctl kern.version kern.version: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Jan 20 10:40:57 EST 2009 h...@jerusalem.litteratus.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JERUSALEM h...@jerusalem uname -a FreeBSD jerusalem.litteratus.org 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Jan 20 10:40:57 EST 2009 h...@jerusalem.litteratus.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JERUSALEM i386 Robert huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
= Hi! kern.version is small part only of output uname command= . uname command concatane KERN_OSTYPE, KERN_HOSTNAME, KERN_OSRELEASE,nb= sp;KERN_VERSION (not in this order) to show output. I hope I've he= lped. Trober tro...@trober.com - - - - - - Mensagem Original - = De: [1]Robert Huff Para: [2]Trober Cc: [3]questi...@freebsd.org Data: Quarta, 21 De Janeiro De 2009 = 10:06 Assunto: Re: source of uname informa= tion Trober : Am I cor= rect in believing uname gets its information from the = nbsp;kern.version sysctl? I believe YES, ba= sed on [1]http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/s rc/usr.bin/uname/uname.c See = NATIVE_SY= SCTL2_GET(ver= sion, CTL_KERN, KERN_VERSION), on sou= rce above. I hope I've helped. It do= es. Next question: Can someone explain this: h...@jerusalem= gt; sysctl kern.version kern.version: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: = Tue Jan 20 10:40:57 EST 2009 h...@jerusalem.litterat us.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JERUSALEM h...@jerusalem uname -a= BRFreeBSD jerusalem.litteratus.org 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT= #0: Tue Jan 20 10:40:57 EST 2009 h...@jerusalem. litteratus.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JERUSALEM i386 Rober= t huff ___ [4]freebsd-questi...@fr= eebsd.org mailing list [5]http://lists.freebsd.o rg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail = to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org References 1. 3Dmailto:roberth...@rcn.com 2. 3Dmailto:tro...@trober.com; 3. 3Dmailto:questi...@freebsd.org; 4. file://localhost/tmp/3D 5. 3Dhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mai___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:06:50 -0500 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Can someone explain this: h...@jerusalem sysctl kern.version kern.version: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT #0: Tue Jan 20 10:40:57 EST 2009 h...@jerusalem.litteratus.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/JERUSALEM h...@jerusalem uname -a FreeBSD jerusalem.litteratus.org 7.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT #0: Do you have any UNAME_* variables set in the environment? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
Hi! Wow! Good question! Sorry, I had not seen the difference between 7 and 8 in uname and sysctl output. Sorry. What your /usr/obj/usr/src/include/vers.h file say in: SCCSSTR VERSTR RELSTR char ostype char osrelease int osreldate kern_ident Thanks. Trober tro...@trober.com - - - - - - Mensagem Original - De: Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com Para: Trober tro...@trober.com Data: Quarta, 21 De Janeiro De 2009 10:39 Assunto: Re: source of uname information Trober writes: kern.version is small part only of output uname command. uname command concatane KERN_OSTYPE, KERN_HOSTNAME, KERN_OSRELEASE,nb= sp;KERN_VERSION (not in this order) to show output. The question is: Why do the sysctls say one thing, and uname another? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: source of uname information
Trober writes: What your /usr/obj/usr/src/include/vers.h file say in: No such file. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
source of uname information
Am I correct in believing uname gets its information from the kern.version sysctl? Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
Kelly Jones wrote: Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. % UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? Read all about 'Hesiod' at a search engine near you. No, not the Greek poet... the other hesiod. Cheers, Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Publishing information via DNS
Kelly Jones wrote: Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. % UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. Just my two cents. DAve -- The whole internet thing is sucking the life out of me, there ain't no pony in there. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security problem but his/her problem ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security problem but his/her problem I can see the DNS system changing in order to provide needed security, and the process/protocol being delayed or muddied because of possible interference with SpamAssassin channel publication, or ClamAV update publication, or SPF, or whatever is next chosen to piggy back onto DNS. DNS is the lifeblood of the internet, without it nothing works. DNS should not be the open pipe everyone throws their excess baggage into. Just my thoughts. I won't argue the point with those who want to use DNS text records for broadcasting when their Flicker account has new puppy pictures. DAve -- The whole internet thing is sucking the life out of me, there ain't no pony in there. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
% UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? no idea what large scale is, but it WILL work if done properly. on any scale. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Publishing information via DNS
Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. % UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
On Wed, 2008-12-17 at 19:07 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will only cloud the issue and delay implementation when the internet decides to take DNS security seriously. where do you see security issue of that? except that someone voluntarily publish his/her private data this way - but it won't be DNS security problem but his/her problem I'm not pretending to be any kind of expert in this, but as with any software not used as it should it does get cloudy. Security in DNS is already an issue with care to be taken in who can see what and how it gets updated or what not- particularly with slave DNS' involved. I can't say what security issues it would raise, but I wouldn't be implementing anything like that myself for the same reasons. I'd stick to hostnames and maybe services which it was designed for. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Publishing information via DNS
DAve(dave.l...@pixelhammer.com)@2008.12.17 10:13:09 -0500: Kelly Jones wrote: Has anyone tried publishing non-DNS information via DNS? Advantages: % Automatic distributed caching on various nameservers. % UDP, so no TCP overhead I know SPF uses this, and clamav publishes their current version number this way, but has anyone done this on a large scale basis? Someone needs to invent and promote a TextualDatagramPublicationProtocol or TDPP because DNS has been abused for publishing non DNS data for too long. Continuing to use DNS for things it was never intended to do will Like we need another protocol. The security issues with DNS are mostly BIND-related, it's BIND's fault. If you want to publish a large hierarchical directory database, then there's LDAP. Protocol adoption is an issue. LDAP is very slowly becoming more and more popular. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
