Re: Intel Macs, FreeBSD, and drivers

2006-04-29 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin

On 4/28/06, Gayn Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The consensus of the group is that FreeBSD should run fine on an Intel
Mac.  I'm interested in the time lag between the availability of drivers
on an Intel Mac and on FreeBSD.

Question1:  If there is a driver for a device that works on an Intel Mac
(under OS X), will that driver work under FreeBSD?  For example, suppose
a very new Intel Mac has a new disk controller, is there some process by
which we can get its driver into FreeBSD?  E.g. via a download from
either Apple or the chip set vendor?


Nope, the kernels are not that similar. Porting might be
a short way in many cases, but we don't live in a world
where all drivers/specs are open.


Question2:  Can we expect the volume of Intel Macs to improve (shorten)
the time delay between the existence of new hardware and the
availability of supporting drivers on FreeBSD?


FreeBSD usually target popular hardware. So, basically,
yes - the more Macs, the better support.
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Re: Intel Macs, FreeBSD, and drivers

2006-04-29 Thread David Kelly


On Apr 29, 2006, at 5:02 PM, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote:

Question1:  If there is a driver for a device that works on an  
Intel Mac
(under OS X), will that driver work under FreeBSD?  For example,  
suppose
a very new Intel Mac has a new disk controller, is there some  
process by

which we can get its driver into FreeBSD?  E.g. via a download from
either Apple or the chip set vendor?


Nope, the kernels are not that similar. Porting might be
a short way in many cases, but we don't live in a world
where all drivers/specs are open.


While the kernels are not all that similar there already is Darwin on  
Intel, lots of former key FreeBSD talent now works for Apple, and  
then without any fanfare MacOS X is found to support several hardware  
items which have been near and dear to FreeBSD in the past such as  
the Intel Etherexpress Pro NIC. Simply pulled a PCI NIC from my  
FreeBSD PC and dropped it right into my G4 PowerMac. Same holds true  
for several other commodity NICs.


Mostly the same for a $10 5-port NEC chipset USB2 card. I can wake  
from sleep thru the Intel Etherexpress NIC but can not wake from  
sleep with the NEC USB2. That's not necessarily a bad thing, in fact  
now that I know it, its a feature. Plugged printers into the NEC and  
now if the Mac is sleeping and I see the printer is still on I can  
turn the printer off without waking the Mac. Previously any activity  
on the USB bus would wake the Mac.


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Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad.

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Intel Macs, FreeBSD, and drivers

2006-04-28 Thread Gayn Winters
The consensus of the group is that FreeBSD should run fine on an Intel
Mac.  I'm interested in the time lag between the availability of drivers
on an Intel Mac and on FreeBSD.

Question1:  If there is a driver for a device that works on an Intel Mac
(under OS X), will that driver work under FreeBSD?  For example, suppose
a very new Intel Mac has a new disk controller, is there some process by
which we can get its driver into FreeBSD?  E.g. via a download from
either Apple or the chip set vendor?

Question2:  Can we expect the volume of Intel Macs to improve (shorten)
the time delay between the existence of new hardware and the
availability of supporting drivers on FreeBSD?

Thanks,

-gayn

Bristol Systems Inc.
714/532-6776
www.bristolsystems.com 


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