Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Hello all, including the guys who responded. Thanks for the comments and tips/ links. I'd see what I can do to move fwd on the issue. Appreciate your feedback! On 3/10/2011 11:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this email! Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote: A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. Also you might want to take a look at: http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/10/2011 01:46 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote: A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes harder (memory loss)... On the other hand, you might want to try PC-BSD. I think it is very well supported and up to date and comes with GUI parts and the option to install as FreeBSD Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. Also you might want to take a look at: http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Thank you, being a Windows guy, I didn't know about webmin, tried it and was impressed. New Server coming up no GUI... On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote: On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system. Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting things from a list. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Well. I don't really know what I'm doing but you offer some great advice, thanks. For an old man I learn fast, I don't mind doing research and of course RTFM :-) On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 01:10 +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/11/2011 01:10 AM, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote: Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a regular basis? Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications) on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g. unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating. I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it. Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice. This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any administrator. :-) I definitely agree here. Webmin is a good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer almost every aspect of your servers with it. That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system. Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting things from a list. Agree here too. Webmin can be secured and audited very well, but still the more services that are available, the greater the security risks will be. Only from the commandline you have all options for configuration of different services available and it's the fastest way to do things. For graphical oriented users I think that Webmin is a real good solution and gives a way to get into the use of the commandline and configuration files. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this email! Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this email! Thanks. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?
On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote: I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/ On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote: Hi guys, I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really wanted the GUI). Hi Why would you want a window manager on your servers? Do you all work directly on the consoles? Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and access your servers remotely? It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and services from the commandline with ssh. Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also. This is what I tend to roll-out for other (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured this works great for them. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is for the intended recipient(s) only. Access, disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited. If you have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:36:53AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote: I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly. I'd ideally like to have a nifty window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a prompt anyway. So howto? I presume I just have to put some things instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc? Not sure about nifty, but I think you're looking for something along the lines of fluxbox. It will provide virtual desktops, a way to launch programs from a prompt, and a desktop menu in case you need it. What more does anyone need, right? $ echo exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startfluxbox start ~/.xinitrc Be sure to install the devel version. Is there a guide to this somewhere? Do most window managers configure pretty easily without a desktop? Is this a common demand? Your request isn't unusual but it's been perennially discussed for longer than people care to remember. Google is your friend, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager should get you started. Configuration is typically done with ... wait for it ... a text editor. ;-) ([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer) My friend got the idea for XP. As far as we know it's a completely unknown XP hack. Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it. LOL. No offense to your friend, but that setting is well known and applies to XP, 2000 and, IIRC, the entire Win9x line; there's also a HKCU setting, and a group policy option that mostly works. Google for something like replacement shell, litestep or visit shellfront.org to see what's available either free or commercially. There's no reason to default to something as braindead as cmd.exe as your shell. We're getting way off-topic here, but I'll add a note of caution: replacing explorer.exe with something better as a shell is fairly trivial and while it does work well 99.8% of the time, chances are you will spend endless hours getting things just right. If pursuing an uphill-bothways goal of getting sane or Unixy behaviour from Windows is your goal, I'd instead suggest installing Cygwin, and then hiding from view the desktop features like icons, the taskbar, etc. Cygwin will provide rxvt, bash (or csh, zsh, etc.), vim, screen, ssh, and just about anything else you'd want. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce
I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly. I'd ideally like to have a nifty window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a prompt anyway. So howto? I presume I just have to put some things instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc? Is there a guide to this somewhere? Do most window managers configure pretty easily without a desktop? Is this a common demand? I did the same thing to XP at work and it's way less annoying in my opinion ([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer) My friend got the idea for XP. As far as we know it's a completely unknown XP hack. Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it. Thanks, Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/23/07, Steve Franks wrote: I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly. I'd ideally like to have a nifty window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a prompt anyway. So howto? I presume I just have to put some things instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc? Is there a guide to If you're going to try beryl/aixgl, it would probably suffice just to put 'exec beryl-manager' in your .xinitrc file, but I'm guessing really. I've never run beryl without kde behind it. Although I *have* had kde fail to start completely/correctly and I beryl still ran fine. - -- Andy Harrison public key: 0x67518262 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org iD8DBQFGpPtoNTm8fWdRgmIRAndpAJ9uxQ41p9rLEkhVIriKFCVVgXyY+wCg2uFo 9seEi4moVhWBeLyOfEQr444= =1/ZA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce
On 23/07/07, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly. I'd ideally like to have a nifty window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, 3d?! My VR goggles, when I jack into the global net, only give the illusion of three dimensions. I suppose the bevelled edges of window decorations will suffice for the rest of y'all. -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
Duane Whitty wrote: Duane Whitty wrote: [snip] ... I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want. Has anyone else tried this? Thanks for your responses. Sincerely, Duane Whitty Thanks again for the responses. I am now busily building GNOME 2.12 from ports. Sincerely, Duane Whitty Duane, I tried this and found that Gnome stuffed up my KDE menus. Menus items were rearranged, a new category called KDE appeared and most items were now under this. Some items were missing. In short, it had become Gnomified! Googling and posting this this mailing list confirmed that Gnome was interfering with KDE but nobody was able to tell me how to get my menus back. I eventually removed Gnome altogether which presented another problem. You can't remove Gnome without removing KDE and pretty all programs that depend on X as well. (at least I couldn't using the removal instructions provided on the Gnome on FreeBSD web site). But since you are already installing, this email may be too late. Regards, Ron Joordens ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
* On 20/04/06 13:19 +0200, Andreas Davour wrote: | On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote: | | I just switched from Gnome to KDE because I had to many problems with | Gnome. KDE is a much more finished product (IMNSHO) and it's much | easier to work with regarding adding new menus, printer configuration | and other things that are the real reason you have a desktop. | | Gnome requires dbus and seems to have problems connecting to it at | times. Gnome updates are also a royal PITA (keep in mind, I haven't | done a KDE update yet), and I got tired of having to run and rerun the | updates to try and get everything working right again. It also | generates a bunch of errors that I was never able to successfully | eradicate, some of which make no sense. | | Gnome is prettier (IMNSHO), but pretty is secondary to functionality, | and KDE has Gnome beat hands down in that category. | | Agree. | | Don't shoot - just one man's opinion. | | Seconded. KDE updates works much better, and the developers don't call | you an idiot if you ask them why they took a specific design decision. And [EMAIL PROTECTED] gives GREAT support -Wash http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html DISCLAIMER: See http://www.wananchi.com/bms/terms.php -- +==+ |\ _,,,---,,_ | Odhiambo Washington[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zzz /,`.-'`'-. ;-;;,_ | Wananchi Online Ltd. www.wananchi.com |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'| Tel: +254 20 313985-9 +254 20 313922 '---''(_/--' `-'\_) | GSM: +254 722 743223 +254 733 744121 +==+ Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
[lots of religous Gnome vs KDE stuff snipped] Guys, can we lay off the FUD? It's just a matter of taste. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both have great support in FreeBSD, and both ports teams work together to produce two great desktops. The existance of one does not belittle the other. Choose the one that you like, and refrain from spouting random nonsense about the other. Or just use both when appropriate. Come back here when you've got specific problems with either one and there will be people happy to help you solve them. --Stijn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:58:42 -0300 Duane Whitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. Yes, KDE and GNOME can both co-exist peacefully on the same system. As for an easy way to select which desktop/window manager you want to use, check out x11-wm/selectwm. -- Conrad J. Sabatier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- In Unix veritas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE + GNOME?
Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Duane Whitty -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Duane Whitty wrote: Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ should get you started. Check out the FAQ. You can get more help from freebsd-gnome@ or on IRC. Joe Sincerely, Duane Whitty - -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERntTb2iPiv4Uz4cRAgSQAJ9zlbC6WZWtjvHyxr3gPM/yX3HQVQCgoIgN yZq40oOOGCD69b7tKFywTrk= =1iZL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: KDE + GNOME?
I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. I am running the current GNOME release and I have experienced zero problems. The only thing I don't like about my current installation is that the GNOME systrey does not work. Besides that it runs very nicely. Cheers Harley ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
Duane Whitty wrote: Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. I just switched from Gnome to KDE because I had to many problems with Gnome. KDE is a much more finished product (IMNSHO) and it's much easier to work with regarding adding new menus, printer configuration and other things that are the real reason you have a desktop. Gnome requires dbus and seems to have problems connecting to it at times. Gnome updates are also a royal PITA (keep in mind, I haven't done a KDE update yet), and I got tired of having to run and rerun the updates to try and get everything working right again. It also generates a bunch of errors that I was never able to successfully eradicate, some of which make no sense. Gnome is prettier (IMNSHO), but pretty is secondary to functionality, and KDE has Gnome beat hands down in that category. Don't shoot - just one man's opinion. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: KDE + GNOME?
Duane Whitty wrote: Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Duane Whitty Perhaps I should be more clear. Is there anyone reading who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed concurrently on their systems? Did you experience installation problems with respect to dependencies? Are you able to choose between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)? I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish to switch to using something else exclusively. I have many good things about GNOME and would like to try it out. I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want. Has anyone else tried this? Thanks for your responses. Sincerely, Duane Whitty -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I looked at the FAQ and DOCs but didn't see this mentioned. Did I miss something? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
Perhaps I should be more clear. Is there anyone reading who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed concurrently on their systems? Did you experience installation problems with respect to dependencies? Are you able to choose between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)? I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish to switch to using something else exclusively. I have many good things about GNOME and would like to try it out. I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want. Has anyone else tried this? Thanks for your responses. Sincerely, Duane Whitty I have both installed on a 6.0 box, had no real problems with dependencies that I can recall. I use KDM to switch between the two. Cheers. Greg Groth ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 13:34, Duane Whitty wrote: Perhaps I should be more clear. Is there anyone reading who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed concurrently on their systems? Did you experience installation problems with respect to dependencies? Are you able to choose between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)? I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish to switch to using something else exclusively. I have many good things about GNOME and would like to try it out. I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want. Has anyone else tried this? Thanks for your responses. I have both Kde 3.5.2 and Gnome 2.12 installed. I don't actually use gnome, but I need several parts of it as dependencies for other packages that I do run, and having enough drive space to do so, I just keep the whole thing up to date. Both run without any problems. FWIW, I have the opposite opinion from Paul on which is prettier. I think Kde is much more attractive than the rather spartan Gnome environment. David -- Sure God created the world in only six days, but He didn't have an established user-base. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/19/2006 04:30:16 PM: I have both Kde 3.5.2 and Gnome 2.12 installed. I don't actually use gnome, but I need several parts of it as dependencies for other packages that I do run, and having enough drive space to do so, I just keep the whole thing up to date. Both run without any problems. FWIW, I have the opposite opinion from Paul on which is prettier. I think Kde is much more attractive than the rather spartan Gnome environment. David I've got both KDE and Gnome working fine on my Gentoo system at home (I use FreeBSD for server use more than desktop), and they play together just fine. As yet another oddball opinion on the subject, I find KDE to be graphically prettier, but Gnome has a better flow to it. It's a bit more subdued (KDE seems to be very in your face). Also, the rendered of KDE just seems to mess stuff up more often. Desktop icon labels are cut off in the middle of a word for example, or toolbar icon labels have an off center appearance to them. I used KDE almost exclusively since Mandrake 5.1, but I've switched to Gnome as my primary interface as of Gnome 2.10. Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
On 4/19/06, Duane Whitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duane Whitty wrote: Hello everyone, I'm contemplating installing GNOME . I am currently using KDE. Does anyone know of any issues I should be aware of before I proceed. I'm mostly concerned about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the xorg clients and firefox. Essentially I would like to be able to choose which environment I am going to run on a per-session basis. Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Duane Whitty Perhaps I should be more clear. Is there anyone reading who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed concurrently on their systems? Did you experience installation problems with respect to dependencies? Are you able to choose between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)? I have this same setup (plus xfce4/fvwm2) and have no problems. Been doing it for a while via both ports and packages and they work like a charm. i'd suggest using packages, unless you have time to build everything from scratch. so yea, i can happily report no issues going this route. -pete -- ~~o0OO0o~~ Pete Wright www.nycbug.org NYC's *BSD User Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE + GNOME?
Duane Whitty wrote: [snip] ... I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want. Has anyone else tried this? Thanks for your responses. Sincerely, Duane Whitty Thanks again for the responses. I am now busily building GNOME 2.12 from ports. Sincerely, Duane Whitty -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE, Gnome not coming down via cvsup
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 08:37, Kent Stewart wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2003 08:00 pm, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: Hi all, I run cvsup to get the ports collection updates about once or twice a week. I noticed that the list of ports on the FreeBSD website has separate categories for KDE and Gnome. However, when I cvsup with 'ports-all' in my cvsup file, I don't get these directories in /usr/ports/. Is this an issue for some reason, or just a silly oversight of mine? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. They go in the distfiles directory when you download the source tarballs. To populate them cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3 make fetch-recursive and /usr/ports/distfiles/KDE will be populated :). The tarballs for all of the dependancies that you don't have the source for will aslo be fetched. Kent I think he is referring to: http://www.freebsd.org/ports/gnome.html ..and http://www.freebsd.org/ports/kde.html ..which are generated specifically for the www documentation and contain all ports that apply to each window manager. These ports are also in /usr/ports but are placed in their relative categories. They are not all installed as part of the gnome or kde base systems. You can run something like make search key=gnome or make search key=kde in /usr/ports to get a list of ports used by gnome/kde. You can replace gnome/kde with any keyword you like to be more specific on your search. -- Nelis Lamprecht PGP: http://www.8ball.co.za/pgp/nelis.key Unix IS user friendly.. It's just selective about who its friends are. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
KDE, Gnome not coming down via cvsup
Hi all, I run cvsup to get the ports collection updates about once or twice a week. I noticed that the list of ports on the FreeBSD website has separate categories for KDE and Gnome. However, when I cvsup with 'ports-all' in my cvsup file, I don't get these directories in /usr/ports/. Is this an issue for some reason, or just a silly oversight of mine? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wanting to pkg_add KDE/Gnome post-install
- Original Message - From: Torben Brosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:01 PM Subject: Re: wanting to pkg_add KDE/Gnome post-install Thank you for the info, Joshua. I must not have written a very clear message. What you suggest *is* what I did first when I wrote cvsup etc. The only difference between your suggested supfile and mine (besides the mirror) is that I used src-all, which I believe includes ports-all. Did you read the documentation link I sent? If so, you'll see that the stable sources are for the OS. They do not include the ports collection. You need two supfiles, or to specify both tags and both collections. Please, for your own sake, see: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html and http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html and instead of 'tag=.' I used the recommended 'tag=RELENG_4' for 4-stable. That doesn't get you the updated ports. The error I get is: # xf86config xf86config: Command not found. #yes, from root since it didn't work, I thought I'd try cvs -r (packagename), but still unable to find the config files. Yes, you can take care of this by: cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4 make install clean HTH, Joshua ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Shortcuts in KDE/Gnome
Silly me, but how do you make a shortcut to a program you just installed? I keep forgetting. It seems that after each time I install a new app on my desktop machine I have to create a shortcut to it, but I keep forgetting how. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Shortcuts in KDE/Gnome
I'm assuming you're talking about icons on the desktop rather than a menu item in the start menu. In KDE: 1. Right click on the desktop 2. Select Create New/Link To Application 3. Fill out the fields in the various tabs (Mostly self-explanatory) Best of Luck, Andrew Gould --- Lord Raiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Silly me, but how do you make a shortcut to a program you just installed? I keep forgetting. It seems that after each time I install a new app on my desktop machine I have to create a shortcut to it, but I keep forgetting how. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message