Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-17 Thread Foo JH

Hello all, including the guys who responded.

Thanks for the comments and tips/ links. I'd see what I can do to move 
fwd on the issue.


Appreciate your feedback!

On 3/10/2011 11:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:

I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:

Hi guys,

I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to
read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any
popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile
new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu
Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really
wanted the GUI).

If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/
Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this
email!

Thanks.
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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Juan C. Valido
A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before
Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have
a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes
harder (memory loss)...

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote:
 On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
  I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
  research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
  Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
  it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/
 
  On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
  read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
  popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
  new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
  Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
  wanted the GUI).
 Hi
 Why would you want a window manager on your servers?
 Do you all work directly on the consoles?
 Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and
 access your servers remotely?
 It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and
 services from the commandline with ssh.
 Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also.
 This is what I tend to roll-out for other
 (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured
 this works great for them.
 
 
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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
 A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before
 Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have
 a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes
 harder (memory loss)...
Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a
regular basis?
Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications)
on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g.
unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating.
Webmin is a  good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering
your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer
almost every aspect of your servers with it.
Also you might want to take a look at:
http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/

 On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote:
 On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
 I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
 research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
 Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
 it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/

 On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
 read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
 popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
 new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
 Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
 wanted the GUI).
 Hi
 Why would you want a window manager on your servers?
 Do you all work directly on the consoles?
 Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and
 access your servers remotely?
 It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and
 services from the commandline with ssh.
 Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also.
 This is what I tend to roll-out for other
 (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured
 this works great for them.



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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 03/10/2011 01:46 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote:
 On 03/10/2011 12:35 PM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
 A GUI on a server is just a matter of preference, I go back to before
 Dos 1.0 and when Windows came out, I fell in love. Now I've got to have
 a GUI on everything, besides as you get older the command line becomes
 harder (memory loss)...
On the other hand, you might want to try PC-BSD.
I think it is very well supported and up to date and comes with GUI parts
and the option to install as FreeBSD

 Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a
 regular basis?
 Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications)
 on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g.
 unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating.
 Webmin is a  good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering
 your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer
 almost every aspect of your servers with it.
 Also you might want to take a look at:
 http://www.freebsdforums.org/plesk-cpanel-dedicated-servers/

 On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote:
 On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
 I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
 research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
 Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
 it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/

 On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
 read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
 popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
 new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
 Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
 wanted the GUI).
 Hi
 Why would you want a window manager on your servers?
 Do you all work directly on the consoles?
 Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and
 access your servers remotely?
 It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and
 services from the commandline with ssh.
 Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also.
 This is what I tend to roll-out for other
 (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured
 this works great for them.



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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Juan C. Valido
Thank you, being a Windows guy, I didn't know about webmin, tried it and
was impressed. New Server coming up no GUI...

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 08:39 +0100, Bas Smeelen wrote:
 On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
  I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
  research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
  Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
  it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/
 
  On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
  read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
  popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
  new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
  Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
  wanted the GUI).
 Hi
 Why would you want a window manager on your servers?
 Do you all work directly on the consoles?
 Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and
 access your servers remotely?
 It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and
 services from the commandline with ssh.
 Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also.
 This is what I tend to roll-out for other
 (graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured
 this works great for them.
 
 
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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote:
 Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a
 regular basis?
 Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications)
 on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g.
 unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating.

I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new
perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a
linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it.
Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI
tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice.
This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what
you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any
administrator. :-)



 Webmin is a  good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering
 your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer
 almost every aspect of your servers with it.

That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system.
Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your
accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin
can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with
patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting
things from a list.





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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Juan C. Valido
Well. I don't really know what I'm doing but you offer some great
advice, thanks. For an old man I learn fast, I don't mind doing research
and of course RTFM :-)

On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 01:10 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote:
  Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a
  regular basis?
  Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications)
  on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g.
  unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating.
 
 I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new
 perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a
 linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it.
 Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI
 tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice.
 This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what
 you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any
 administrator. :-)


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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-10 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 03/11/2011 01:10 AM, Polytropon wrote:
 On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:46:42 +0100, Bas Smeelen b.smee...@ose.nl wrote:
 Do you plan to update FreeBSD and installed ports on your servers on a
 regular basis?
 Then I would not recommend installing graphical window ports (applications)
 on these servers, because it can give you a lot of time, work e.g.
 unnecessary hassle when upgrading/updating.
 I would suggest that, too. Allow me to point out a new
 perspective of the way of use: GUI forces you to work in a
 linear way and pay extra attention. You cannot automate it.
 Depending on what your primary intention is, using CLI
 tools to get rid of hands on work may be a better choice.
 This approach of course assumes that you actually KNOW what
 you're doing, but that's a main requirement for any
 administrator. :-)

I definitely agree here.

 Webmin is a  good GUI progam (from client perspective) for administering
 your servers, it just runs in your clients webbrowser and you can administer
 almost every aspect of your servers with it.
 That's true, but it brings new security risks to the system.
 Also keep in mind that using a web browser limits your
 accessibility to what the browser can do (and the Webmin
 can support), e. g. you may be faster using a shell with
 patterns and autocompletition than manually selecting
 things from a list.

Agree here too. Webmin can be secured and audited very well, but still the
more services that are available, the greater the security risks will be.
Only from the commandline you have all options for configuration of
different services available and it's the fastest way to do things.
For graphical oriented users I think that Webmin is a real good solution and
gives a way to get into the use of the commandline and configuration files.


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any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-09 Thread Foo JH

Hi guys,

I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
wanted the GUI).


If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ 
Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this 
email!


Thanks.
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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-09 Thread Juan C. Valido
I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/

On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
 read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
 popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
 new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
 Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
 wanted the GUI).
 
 If there is a kind soul who is willing to guide me through via IM (MSN/ 
 Yahoo/ Skype), I'd much appreciate it. Please don't flame me for this 
 email!
 
 Thanks.
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Re: any friendly folk willing to teach an old foggie how to configure kde/ gnome on freebsd?

2011-03-09 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 03/10/2011 04:33 AM, Juan C. Valido wrote:
 I'm an old foggie also and a lifetime Windows guy and I did a lot of
 research and a lot of trial and error until I found Dan's blog. God
 Bless the Man! Without his blog I would not have this server up. And yes
 it's running gnome. https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/category/freebsd/

 On Thu, 2011-03-10 at 09:42 +0800, Foo JH wrote:
 Hi guys,

 I know the steps are documented on the Handbook and all. I've tried to 
 read, follow, and re-read the steps, but I'm not still getting any 
 popular window manager up and running on my FreeBSD servers. Meanwhile 
 new hires are seduced by the comes-with-it windows manager via Ubuntu 
 Desktop (yes, they abstained from the server edition because they really 
 wanted the GUI).
Hi
Why would you want a window manager on your servers?
Do you all work directly on the consoles?
Do you have window managers/desktop environments on the workstations and
access your servers remotely?
It's not very hard, I would say it's easier, to configure your servers and
services from the commandline with ssh.
Or if you really want something graphical then webmin would be fine also.
This is what I tend to roll-out for other
(graphical oriented) administrators and with some custom commands configured
this works great for them.


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Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-24 Thread George
On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 09:36:53AM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:
 I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
 .xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty window
 manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in running
 kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a prompt
 anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things instead of
 exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  

Not sure about nifty, but I think you're looking for something along the
lines of fluxbox.  It will provide virtual desktops, a way to launch
programs from a prompt, and a desktop menu in case you need it.  What
more does anyone need, right?

$ echo exec /usr/X11R6/bin/startfluxbox start  ~/.xinitrc   

Be sure to install the devel version.

 Is there a guide to this somewhere?  Do most window managers configure
 pretty easily without a desktop?  Is this a common demand?  

Your request isn't unusual but it's been perennially discussed for
longer than people care to remember.   Google is your friend, but
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_window_manager should get you started.
Configuration is typically done with ... wait for it ... a text editor.
;-)

 ([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
 NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change
 Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer) 
 
 My friend got the idea for XP.  As far as we know it's a completely
 unknown XP hack.  Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it.

LOL.  No offense to your friend, but that setting is well known and
applies to XP, 2000 and, IIRC, the entire Win9x line; there's also a
HKCU setting, and a group policy option that mostly works.   Google for
something like replacement shell, litestep or visit shellfront.org
to see what's available either free or commercially.  There's no reason
to default to something as braindead as cmd.exe as your shell.  

We're getting way off-topic here, but I'll add a note of caution:
replacing explorer.exe with something better as a shell is fairly
trivial and while it does work well 99.8% of the time, chances are you
will spend endless hours getting things just right.  If pursuing an
uphill-bothways goal of getting sane or Unixy behaviour from Windows is
your goal, I'd instead suggest installing Cygwin, and then hiding from
view the desktop features like icons, the taskbar, etc.  Cygwin will
provide rxvt, bash (or csh, zsh, etc.), vim, screen, ssh, and just about
anything else you'd want. 


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quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread Steve Franks
I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in
running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a
prompt anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things
instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  Is there a guide to
this somewhere?  Do most window managers configure pretty easily
without a desktop?  Is this a common demand?  I did the same thing to
XP at work and it's way less annoying in my opinion
([HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows
NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon]- change
Shell=c:\\windows\\system32\\cmd.exe from shell=explorer)
My friend got the idea for XP.  As far as we know it's a completely
unknown XP hack.  Please credit Scott Plumlee if you share/post it.

Thanks,
Steve
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Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread Andy Harrison

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On 7/23/07, Steve Franks  wrote:

I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones, but I find no point in
running kde/gnome/xfce - I launch everything (firefox, etc.) from a
prompt anyway.  So howto?  I presume I just have to put some things
instead of exec xfce-session in my .xinitrc?  Is there a guide to


If you're going to try beryl/aixgl, it would probably suffice just to
put 'exec beryl-manager' in your .xinitrc file, but I'm guessing
really.  I've never run beryl without kde behind it.  Although I
*have* had kde fail to start completely/correctly and I beryl still
ran fine.

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Re: quickie: howto? window manager xterms, but no kde/gnome/xfce

2007-07-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 23/07/07, Steve Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm not totally opposed to what comes up in X if you start with no
.xinitrc, but it's a tad ugly.  I'd ideally like to have a nifty
window manager, like one of those new 3d ones,


3d?!  My VR goggles, when I jack into the global
net, only give the illusion of three dimensions.

I suppose the bevelled edges of window decorations
will suffice for the rest of y'all.

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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-20 Thread fbsd

Duane Whitty wrote:

Duane Whitty wrote:

[snip]

... I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want.  Has 
anyone else tried this?


Thanks for your responses.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty

Thanks again for the responses.

I am now busily building GNOME 2.12
from ports.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty


Duane,

I tried this and found that Gnome stuffed up my KDE menus. Menus items 
were rearranged, a new category called KDE appeared and most items 
were now under this. Some items were missing. In short, it had become 
Gnomified! Googling and posting this this mailing list confirmed that 
Gnome was interfering with KDE but nobody was able to tell me how to get 
my menus back.


I eventually removed Gnome altogether which presented another problem. 
You can't  remove Gnome without removing KDE and pretty all programs 
that depend on X as well. (at least I couldn't using the removal 
instructions provided on the Gnome on FreeBSD web site).


But since you are already installing, this email may be too late.

Regards,

Ron Joordens



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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-20 Thread Odhiambo Washington
* On 20/04/06 13:19 +0200, Andreas Davour wrote:
| On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:
| 
| I just switched from Gnome to KDE because I had to many problems with 
| Gnome. KDE is a much more finished product (IMNSHO) and it's much 
| easier to work with regarding adding new menus, printer configuration 
| and other things that are the real reason you have a desktop.
| 
| Gnome requires dbus and seems to have problems connecting to it at 
| times. Gnome updates are also a royal PITA (keep in mind, I haven't 
| done a KDE update yet), and I got tired of having to run and rerun the 
| updates to try and get everything working right again.  It also 
| generates a bunch of errors that I was never able to successfully 
| eradicate, some of which make no sense.
| 
| Gnome is prettier (IMNSHO), but pretty is secondary to functionality, 
| and KDE has Gnome beat hands down in that category.
| 
| Agree.
| 
| Don't shoot - just one man's opinion.
| 
| Seconded. KDE updates works much better, and the developers don't call 
| you an idiot if you ask them why they took a specific design decision.


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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-20 Thread Stijn Hoop
[lots of religous Gnome vs KDE stuff snipped] 

Guys, can we lay off the FUD?

It's just a matter of taste. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.
Both have great support in FreeBSD, and both ports teams work together
to produce two great desktops. The existance of one does not belittle
the other. Choose the one that you like, and refrain from spouting
random nonsense about the other. Or just use both when appropriate.

Come back here when you've got specific problems with either one and
there will be people happy to help you solve them.

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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-20 Thread Conrad J. Sabatier
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 14:58:42 -0300
Duane Whitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
 using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
 be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
 about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
 xorg clients and firefox.
 
 Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
 environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
 Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.

Yes, KDE and GNOME can both co-exist peacefully on the same system.

As for an easy way to select which desktop/window manager you want to
use, check out x11-wm/selectwm.

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KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Duane Whitty

Hello everyone,

I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
xorg clients and firefox.

Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty
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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Joe Marcus Clarke
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Duane Whitty wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
 using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
 be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
 about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
 xorg clients and firefox.
 
 Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
 environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
 Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.freebsd.org/gnome/ should get you started.  Check out the
FAQ.  You can get more help from freebsd-gnome@ or on IRC.

Joe

 
 Sincerely,
 
 Duane Whitty


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RE: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Harley D. Eades
 I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
 using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
 be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
 about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
 xorg clients and firefox.
 
 Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
 environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
 Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.
I am running the current GNOME release and I have experienced
zero problems.  The only thing I don't like about my current
installation is that the GNOME systrey does not work.  Besides
that it runs very nicely.

Cheers
Harley
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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Schmehl

Duane Whitty wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
xorg clients and firefox.

Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.

I just switched from Gnome to KDE because I had to many problems with 
Gnome.  KDE is a much more finished product (IMNSHO) and it's much 
easier to work with regarding adding new menus, printer configuration 
and other things that are the real reason you have a desktop.


Gnome requires dbus and seems to have problems connecting to it at 
times.  Gnome updates are also a royal PITA (keep in mind, I haven't 
done a KDE update yet), and I got tired of having to run and rerun the 
updates to try and get everything working right again.  It also 
generates a bunch of errors that I was never able to successfully 
eradicate, some of which make no sense.


Gnome is prettier (IMNSHO), but pretty is secondary to functionality, 
and KDE has Gnome beat hands down in that category.


Don't shoot - just one man's opinion.

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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Duane Whitty

Duane Whitty wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
xorg clients and firefox.

Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty

Perhaps I should be more clear.  Is there anyone reading
who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed
concurrently on their systems?  Did you experience installation
problems with respect to dependencies?   Are you able to choose
between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running
startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)?

I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish
to switch to using something else exclusively.  I have many good
things about GNOME and would like to try it out.  I want to be able
to switch back-and-forth whenever I want.  Has anyone else tried this?

Thanks for your responses.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty
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P.S.

I looked at the FAQ and DOCs but
didn't see this mentioned. Did I miss
something?
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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Greg Groth

Perhaps I should be more clear.  Is there anyone reading
who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed
concurrently on their systems?  Did you experience installation
problems with respect to dependencies?   Are you able to choose
between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running
startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)?

I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish
to switch to using something else exclusively.  I have many good
things about GNOME and would like to try it out.  I want to be able
to switch back-and-forth whenever I want.  Has anyone else tried this?

Thanks for your responses.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty


I have both installed on a 6.0 box, had no real problems with 
dependencies that I can recall.  I use KDM to switch between the two.


Cheers.
Greg Groth
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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread David J Brooks
On Wednesday 19 April 2006 13:34, Duane Whitty wrote:

 Perhaps I should be more clear.  Is there anyone reading
 who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed
 concurrently on their systems?  Did you experience installation
 problems with respect to dependencies?   Are you able to choose
 between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running
 startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)?

 I like KDE and some of its applications and I don't necessarily wish
 to switch to using something else exclusively.  I have many good
 things about GNOME and would like to try it out.  I want to be able
 to switch back-and-forth whenever I want.  Has anyone else tried this?

 Thanks for your responses.

I have both Kde 3.5.2 and Gnome 2.12 installed. I don't actually use gnome, 
but I need several parts of it as dependencies for other packages that I do 
run, and having enough drive space to do so, I just keep the whole thing up 
to date. Both run without any problems.

FWIW, I have the opposite opinion from Paul on which is prettier. I think Kde 
is much more attractive than the rather spartan Gnome environment.

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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread MBGaskins
David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/19/2006 04:30:16 PM:
 I have both Kde 3.5.2 and Gnome 2.12 installed. I don't actually use 
gnome, 
 but I need several parts of it as dependencies for other packages that I 
do 
 run, and having enough drive space to do so, I just keep the whole thing 
up 
 to date. Both run without any problems.
 
 FWIW, I have the opposite opinion from Paul on which is prettier. I 
think Kde 
 is much more attractive than the rather spartan Gnome environment.
 
 David

I've got both KDE and Gnome working fine on my Gentoo system at home (I 
use FreeBSD for server use more than desktop), and they play together just 
fine.

As yet another oddball opinion on the subject, I find KDE to be 
graphically prettier, but Gnome has a better flow to it.  It's a bit 
more subdued (KDE seems to be very in your face).  Also, the rendered of 
KDE just seems to mess stuff up more often.  Desktop icon labels are cut 
off in the middle of a word  for example, or toolbar icon labels have an 
off center appearance to them.  I used KDE almost exclusively since 
Mandrake 5.1, but I've switched to Gnome as my primary interface as of 
Gnome 2.10.

Mike
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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread pete wright
On 4/19/06, Duane Whitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Duane Whitty wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
  I'm contemplating installing GNOME .  I am currently
  using KDE.  Does anyone know of any issues I should
  be aware of before I proceed.  I'm mostly concerned
  about dependency issues, especially wtih respect to the
  xorg clients and firefox.
 
  Essentially I would like to be able to choose which
  environment I am going to run on a per-session basis.
  Any hints, pointer, RTFMs, would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Sincerely,
 
  Duane Whitty
 Perhaps I should be more clear.  Is there anyone reading
 who currently has KDE 3.5.x and GNOME 2.12.x installed
 concurrently on their systems?  Did you experience installation
 problems with respect to dependencies?   Are you able to choose
 between running KDE and GNOME as simply as by running
 startkde or startgnome (or whatever the start gnome command is)?


I have this same setup (plus xfce4/fvwm2) and have no problems.  Been
doing it for a while via both ports and packages and they work like a
charm.  i'd suggest using packages, unless you have time to build
everything from scratch.  so yea, i can happily report no issues going
this route.

-pete


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Re: KDE + GNOME?

2006-04-19 Thread Duane Whitty

Duane Whitty wrote:

[snip]

... I want to be able to switch back-and-forth whenever I want.  Has 
anyone else tried this?


Thanks for your responses.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty

Thanks again for the responses.

I am now busily building GNOME 2.12
from ports.

Sincerely,

Duane Whitty
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Re: KDE, Gnome not coming down via cvsup

2003-12-17 Thread Nelis Lamprecht
On Wed, 2003-12-17 at 08:37, Kent Stewart wrote:
 On Tuesday 16 December 2003 08:00 pm, Jonathon McKitrick wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I run cvsup to get the ports collection updates about once or twice a week.
  I noticed that the list of ports on the FreeBSD website has separate
  categories for KDE and Gnome.  However, when I cvsup with 'ports-all' in my
  cvsup file, I don't get these directories in /usr/ports/.
 
  Is this an issue for some reason, or just a silly oversight of mine?
 
  NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed.  Thanks.
 
 
 They go in the distfiles directory when you download the source tarballs. To 
 populate them
 
 cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3
 make fetch-recursive
 
 and
 
 /usr/ports/distfiles/KDE
 
 will be populated :). The tarballs for all of the dependancies that you don't 
 have the source for will aslo be fetched.
 
 Kent

I think he is referring to:

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/gnome.html

..and

http://www.freebsd.org/ports/kde.html

..which are generated specifically for the www documentation and contain
all ports that apply to each window manager. These ports are also in
/usr/ports but are placed in their relative categories. They are not all
installed as part of the gnome or kde base systems.

You can run something like make search key=gnome or make search
key=kde in /usr/ports to get a list of ports used by gnome/kde.
You can replace gnome/kde with any keyword you like to be more specific
on your search.

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KDE, Gnome not coming down via cvsup

2003-12-16 Thread Jonathon McKitrick

Hi all,

I run cvsup to get the ports collection updates about once or twice a week.
I noticed that the list of ports on the FreeBSD website has separate
categories for KDE and Gnome.  However, when I cvsup with 'ports-all' in my
cvsup file, I don't get these directories in /usr/ports/.

Is this an issue for some reason, or just a silly oversight of mine?

NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed.  Thanks.

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Re: wanting to pkg_add KDE/Gnome post-install

2003-07-16 Thread Joshua Lokken

- Original Message -
From: Torben Brosten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: wanting to pkg_add KDE/Gnome post-install


 Thank you for the info, Joshua. I must not have written a very clear
message.
 What you suggest *is* what I did first when I wrote cvsup etc.  The only
 difference between your suggested  supfile and mine (besides the mirror)
is that
 I used src-all, which I believe includes ports-all.

Did you read the documentation link I sent?  If so, you'll see that
the stable sources are for the OS.  They do not include the ports
collection.  You need two supfiles, or to specify both tags and both
collections.  Please, for your own sake, see:

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html

and

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html

 and instead of 'tag=.' I
 used the recommended 'tag=RELENG_4' for 4-stable.

That doesn't get you the updated ports.

 The error I get is:

 # xf86config
 xf86config: Command not found.   #yes, from root

 since it didn't work, I thought I'd try cvs -r (packagename), but still
unable
 to find the config files.


Yes, you can take care of this by:

cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4  make install clean


HTH,

Joshua

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Shortcuts in KDE/Gnome

2002-10-07 Thread Lord Raiden

Silly me, but how do you make a shortcut to a program you just 
installed?  I keep forgetting.  It seems that after each time I install a 
new app on my desktop machine I have to create a shortcut to it, but I keep 
forgetting how.  Can anyone enlighten me?  Thanks.


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Re: Shortcuts in KDE/Gnome

2002-10-07 Thread Andrew Gould

I'm assuming you're talking about icons on the desktop
rather than a menu item in the start menu.

In KDE:

1. Right click on the desktop
2. Select Create New/Link To Application
3. Fill out the fields in the various tabs (Mostly
self-explanatory)

Best of Luck,

Andrew Gould

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 program you just 
 installed?  I keep forgetting.  It seems that after
 each time I install a 
 new app on my desktop machine I have to create a
 shortcut to it, but I keep 
 forgetting how.  Can anyone enlighten me?  Thanks.
 
 
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