Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Rob

> No, it's your way of saying STFU let invalid.org deal with it.
> Example.com is set-up for this. Use that if you must.

My apologies...  I did some homework after your post and realized that 
is a valid domain name (though apparently inactive.)  I won't use it.


My STFU was self-referential.  I didn't mean to cause insult or 
inconvenience to anyone;  just trying to avoid it myself.


> RFC2606 defines some domains that are reserved for use in examples 
and the


Cool, Thanks Erik!  That's what I was trying to do.

[update]  The reserved domains seem to all get rejected or held, so I'll 
just try gmail.


  -Rob

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Warren Block

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007, Bill Campbell wrote:


I think that the Scroll Lock key simply toggles this, sending
alternate ctrl-s, ctrl-q to stop and start traffic.


In a system console, Ctrl-S and -Q work as usual, but Scroll Lock lets 
you scroll through console history.


man syscons | less +/Back\ Scrolling

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 03:24:24PM -0400, Rob wrote:
> Duane Hill wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 at 14:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated:
>>>  -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]
>> Not to take this off topic, so you own invalid.org?
> 
> Uhh, no.  Seems like I've seen it for years in examples, documentation and 
> whatnot.  So I was thinking it was like a domain equivalent of a RFC1918 
> address.  Guess that's not the case? 

That is not the case.  invalid.org is a real domain whose owner is probably
not happy about getting extra spam.

> Is there such a thing?  I could use 
> .aol.com -- I certainly don't have any qualms about annoying them ;)

RFC2606 defines some domains that are reserved for use in examples and the
like and which will not be assigned to anybody.
The domains in question are the following:

.test
.example
.invalid
.localhost
example.com
example.org
example.net



> 
> I just want to participate on the list semi-anonymously and not get spammed 
> to hell.  And NO I DON'T WANT TO START THAT DISCUSSION again -- everyone 
> spoke their piece several times over;  this is just my way of STFU and deal 
> with it.
> 
>  -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]


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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Mel
On Wednesday 26 September 2007 21:24:24 Rob wrote:
> Duane Hill wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 at 14:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated:
> >>  -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]
> >
> > Not to take this off topic, so you own invalid.org?
>
> Uhh, no.  Seems like I've seen it for years in examples, documentation and
> whatnot.  So I was thinking it was like a domain equivalent of a RFC1918
> address.  Guess that's not the case?  Is there such a thing?  I could use
> .aol.com -- I certainly don't have any qualms about annoying them ;)
>
> I just want to participate on the list semi-anonymously and not get spammed
> to hell.  And NO I DON'T WANT TO START THAT DISCUSSION again -- everyone
> spoke their piece several times over;  this is just my way of STFU and deal
> with it.

No, it's your way of saying STFU let invalid.org deal with it.
Example.com is set-up for this. Use that if you must.

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007, Harry Matthiesen Jensen wrote:
>On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 11:22:39AM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
>> >
>> >just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
>> >key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in consoles,
>> >I found a solution with re-configuring the keymap (I'm probably not the
>> 
>> A far simpler way is to use xoff/xon, ctrl-s stops things, and
>> ctrl-q restarts.
>
>Is there a set-up I need to perform before it works, because simply
>pressing "Ctrl+Q"/"Ctrl+S" does not give me anything.

You will only see the effect of these if the system is sending
data to the screen.  Try typing ``cat /etc/termcap'', the
pressing ctrl-s to stop the flow, and ctrl-q to restart it.

This is basic serial software flow control, used by terminals to
slow down traffic from the system to allow the terminal to catch
up with the traffic.  This protocal dates back to the days of
slow teletypes which ran at speeds around 110baud (10 characters
per second).

I think that the Scroll Lock key simply toggles this, sending
alternate ctrl-s, ctrl-q to stop and start traffic.  Scrolling
back through the stream is a function of the underlying system,
and has nothing to do with the flow of data.

Bill
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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Rob

Duane Hill wrote:

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 at 14:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated:

 -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]


Not to take this off topic, so you own invalid.org?


Uhh, no.  Seems like I've seen it for years in examples, documentation and 
whatnot.  So I was thinking it was like a domain equivalent of a RFC1918 
address.  Guess that's not the case?  Is there such a thing?  I could use 
.aol.com -- I certainly don't have any qualms about annoying them ;)

I just want to participate on the list semi-anonymously and not get spammed to 
hell.  And NO I DON'T WANT TO START THAT DISCUSSION again -- everyone spoke 
their piece several times over;  this is just my way of STFU and deal with it.

 -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]
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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Harry Matthiesen Jensen
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 02:44:43PM -0400, Rob wrote:
>>> just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
>>> key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in 
>>> consoles,
>> A far simpler way is to use xoff/xon, ctrl-s stops things, and
>> ctrl-q restarts.
> 
> another key sequence for that?  the normally useless "scroll lock" will let 
> you page back several screenfulls.

...exactly, and that is what I need it for, when I'm on the text console 8-)

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Duane Hill

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 at 14:44 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] confabulated:


 -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]


Not to take this off topic, so you own invalid.org?

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Rob

Bill Campbell wrote:

just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in consoles,


A far simpler way is to use xoff/xon, ctrl-s stops things, and
ctrl-q restarts.


Yeah, but that won't retrieve the stuff that already vanished;  or is there another key 
sequence for that?  the normally useless "scroll lock" will let you page back 
several screenfulls.

  -Rob  [don't cc me; I'm subscribed and the reply addy is bogus]


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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Harry Matthiesen Jensen
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007 at 11:22:39AM -0700, Bill Campbell wrote:
> >
> >just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
> >key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in consoles,
> >I found a solution with re-configuring the keymap (I'm probably not the
> 
> A far simpler way is to use xoff/xon, ctrl-s stops things, and
> ctrl-q restarts.

Is there a set-up I need to perform before it works, because simply
pressing "Ctrl+Q"/"Ctrl+S" does not give me anything.

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Re: Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Bill Campbell
On Wed, Sep 26, 2007, Harry Matthiesen Jensen wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I don't know where to post this, except from this list, so maybe someone
>will add it to a FAQ ;-).
>
>just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
>key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in consoles,
>I found a solution with re-configuring the keymap (I'm probably not the
>first, but did not find a short solution on the web).

A far simpler way is to use xoff/xon, ctrl-s stops things, and
ctrl-q restarts.

...
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Keyboard without Scroll Lock

2007-09-26 Thread Harry Matthiesen Jensen
Hi,

I don't know where to post this, except from this list, so maybe someone
will add it to a FAQ ;-).

just for info, if you happens to buy a keyboard without the Scroll Lock
key, as I did (Logitech EX110), and are missing this function in consoles,
I found a solution with re-configuring the keymap (I'm probably not the
first, but did not find a short solution on the web).

As root:

Dump the keyboard map to a file
kbdcontrol -d >mykeys

Change the file so "Ctrl+NumLock" will set
"Scroll Lock".

Find line with scancode "base" 069, or where "nlock" fills
the entire line.

Edit column 3 from "nlock" to "slock"

The line now looks like:
"069   nlock  nlock  slock  nlock  nlock  nlock  nlock  nlock   O"

Edit /etc/rc.conf:
keymap="/home/xxx/mykeys" #where the file is

Reboot, and now "Ctrl+NumLock" will toggle the Scroll Lock bit.

Before you reboot it is possible to try if it works.

As root, issue the command:
kbdcontrol -l mykeys

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