Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The second question is about ports that install TeX related stuff (such as macro packages, like NOWEB do). I guess you edited texmf.cnf to let /usr/local/share/texmf-local appear in TEXMF trees. Am I right, and was this enough to let things run well? TeXLive is so complete that I didn't really have to install any stuff from ports. I have a $HOME/texmf tree where I can stick the odd style file. The standard texmf.cnf uses $HOME/texmf be default. It seems that `noweb.sty' (a LaTeX file to be used with output of the NOWEB program) is missing in TeXlive. But I bet that editing texmf.cnf to let /usr/local/share/texmf-local appear in TEXMF trees will be enough to use it. Thank you for your useful indications. -- Cheers, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Michaël I have unintentionally (and automatically) put your address in the `From' field of my last message. I am sorry for the annoyance. -- All the best, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 09:46:20AM +0100, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've installed TeXLive 2007 to use /usr/local/texlive/2007 as its prefix and data directory, and that works fine. Everything is contained within that tree. It does not put things in /etc or /usr/local/etc if you do this. What you do need to do after building the binaries is add /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/arch-unknown-freebsdversion to the path in /etc/login.conf. I am considering giving a try to TeXlive these days. I take the opportunity of this thread to ask you about your strategy to make the TeXlive system cohabit with ports that wants teTeX. For the moment I just remove the teTeX dependencies from those ports before I build them. I've thought about whipping up a fake teTeX port, but I was not sure if I could pull that off. The second question is about ports that install TeX related stuff (such as macro packages, like NOWEB do). I guess you edited texmf.cnf to let /usr/local/share/texmf-local appear in TEXMF trees. Am I right, and was this enough to let things run well? TeXLive is so complete that I didn't really have to install any stuff from ports. I have a $HOME/texmf tree where I can stick the odd style file. The standard texmf.cnf uses $HOME/texmf be default. To consider more FreeBSD specific issues, I have read elsethread that some people are working on porting TeXlive to FreeBSD. When this (awesome) work will be done, FreeBSD users will have two options to install a TeX system from the ports: teTeX and TeXlive. These two systems provide similar service. In such a situation, how are managed the dependencies? How would a porter say ``This port run-depends on a TeX system, no matter which one it is''? No idea. Maybe there will be a generic TeX dependency that can be fullfilled by either TeXLive or teTeX. But in the long run I expect that TeXLive will replace teTeX. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpC1kPGeoLi3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've installed TeXLive 2007 to use /usr/local/texlive/2007 as its prefix and data directory, and that works fine. Everything is contained within that tree. It does not put things in /etc or /usr/local/etc if you do this. What you do need to do after building the binaries is add /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/arch-unknown-freebsdversion to the path in /etc/login.conf. I am considering giving a try to TeXlive these days. I take the opportunity of this thread to ask you about your strategy to make the TeXlive system cohabit with ports that wants teTeX. Some ports want teTeX. If one installs both teTeX and TeXlive, one should arrange so that TeXlive's bin directory comes before teTeX's bin directory (/usr/local/bin), otherwise teTeX's binaries are used instead of TeXlive's and this is not what is wanted. Is this the way you did? The second question is about ports that install TeX related stuff (such as macro packages, like NOWEB do). I guess you edited texmf.cnf to let /usr/local/share/texmf-local appear in TEXMF trees. Am I right, and was this enough to let things run well? To consider more FreeBSD specific issues, I have read elsethread that some people are working on porting TeXlive to FreeBSD. When this (awesome) work will be done, FreeBSD users will have two options to install a TeX system from the ports: teTeX and TeXlive. These two systems provide similar service. In such a situation, how are managed the dependencies? How would a porter say ``This port run-depends on a TeX system, no matter which one it is''? -- Cheers, Michaël ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there, thanks Predag and Roland for your replies. I'll stick with teTeX for the beginning, it looks like a promising start. When I need additional macro packages (one for creating nice presentations would be nice indeed) I'll check with ctan. Maybe I'll even give TeXlive a shot, but I got used to the ports system and feel that it is rather time consuming to maintain software that has been installed manually. Thank you for your insights, Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHJGh6ND6QF/amlKsRAsIzAJ9r3063/Gn1xCHC8g1FkB5aewnesQCdEWHQ yTEVvR30v9afH0BmUvTCpIo= =ZCGT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:46:18AM +, Christian Walther wrote: Hi there, thanks Predag and Roland for your replies. I'll stick with teTeX for the beginning, it looks like a promising start. I think you're wise to. I use teTeX and it's got most things. I've only ever had to get something from CTAN once: a fax package. When I need additional macro packages (one for creating nice presentations would be nice indeed) I'll check with ctan. Check out beamer once you've installed teTeX: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf There are also some examples installed: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/examples/ Maybe I'll even give TeXlive a shot, but I got used to the ports system and feel that it is rather time consuming to maintain software that has been installed manually. TeXlive will eventually be ported but for the moment you're better off with teTeX in ports, it works fine. BTW, the best place to get your LaTeX/TeX questions answered is comp.text.tex on Usenet. Thank you for your insights, Christian -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
Frank Shute wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:46:18AM +, Christian Walther wrote When I need additional macro packages (one for creating nice presentations would be nice indeed) I'll check with ctan. Check out beamer once you've installed teTeX: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf There are also some examples installed: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/examples/ TeX/Latex has a several level of presentation classes. Simplest is class of documents is slidetex then follows foiltex, prosper, beamer, ppower4 and powerdot. I happen to think that powerdot is by far the best (you can play movies from slides, easily customized easy to use 40 pages manual vs 400 pages for beamer) . Slidetex and foiltex are really low level classes essentially allowing you to create simple slides in TeX. Prosper which is ported for FreeBSD is obsolete (because of powerdot) and baggy . Beamer is ported for FreeBSD and OpenBSD. ppower4 is ported for OpenBSD. The only reason people like beamer (the same goes for ppower4) is that it lets you use pdflatex option while powerdot requires using dvi--ps--pdf. As I am old school this is completely irrelevant for me because that is what I am doing anyway. The quality of slides is whole level up with respect to Beamer. Unfortunately most people seems to disagree with my statement above and use beamer. If you are using serious editor like emacs you can customize editor that it does that automatically for you. I was thinking of porting powerdot my self as there is no dependency relation to TeXLive. Debian and many other distros of Linux have this package in something they call TeX extra I think (basic additional stuff for teTeX). TeXLive does include powerdot by default as every possible option for Latex but is usually modular and you would not install in that fashion anyway. The same goes for MiKTex 2.5 which is standard Windblows distribution of TeX, Latex. I gave up after encountering problems with older fonts in ported version of teTeX and decided that it is better to wait for guys to port TeXLive than to waist the time trying to resolve dependency issues teTeX vs powerdot. In the mean time I use live DVD with TeX Live which is perfectly OK solution with me as I do not want 3.7Gb of all TeXLive junk (font for languages I have never heard or some exotic features) on my hard-drive anyway. It is also really made for Linux and hard-disk installation will do quite a few thinks that we do not allow in FreeBSD (like using /etc file for non system applications) I hope this helps to clarify the issue with presentation classes. Predrag P.S. As always best source of info for TeX related stuff is http://www.ctan.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:21:49PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I gave up after encountering problems with older fonts in ported version of teTeX and decided that it is better to wait for guys to port TeXLive than to waist the time trying to resolve dependency issues teTeX vs powerdot. In the mean time I use live DVD with TeX Live which is perfectly OK solution with me as I do not want 3.7Gb of all TeXLive junk (font for languages I have never heard or some exotic features) on my hard-drive anyway. It is also really made for Linux and hard-disk installation will do quite a few thinks that we do not allow in FreeBSD (like using /etc file for non system applications) The TeXLive installer allows you to choose what stuff you want to install or not. You don't have to install the whole lot. I've installed TeXLive 2007 to use /usr/local/texlive/2007 as its prefix and data directory, and that works fine. Everything is contained within that tree. It does not put things in /etc or /usr/local/etc if you do this. What you do need to do after building the binaries is add /usr/local/texlive/2007/bin/arch-unknown-freebsdversion to the path in /etc/login.conf. Compiling the binaries isn't difficult. I've configured them to use system libraries as much as possible, but if you don't do that the binaries will have few dependancies beyond the base system libraries. I've noticed that Omega wouldn't compile on my amd64 system, so I hacked the makefile a little to fix that. If anybody wants to know how, drop me a line. Omega will be supplanted by LuaTeX anyway. This is how I configured the binaries on my amd64 system; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/texlive/2007 \ --datadir=/usr/local/texlive/2007 --without-dvi2tty \ --without-musixflx --without-omega --enable-ipc --with-system-ncurses \ --with-ncurses-libdir=/usr/lib --with-ncurses-include=/usr/include \ --with-system-pnglib --with-pnglib-libdir=/usr/local/lib \ --with-pnglib-include=/usr/local/include/libpng \ --with-system-t1lib --with-t1lib-libdir=/usr/local/lib \ --with-t1lib-include=/usr/local/include \ --with-system-zlib --with-zlib-libdir=/usr/lib \ --with-zlib-include=/usr/include \ --with-system-gd --with-gd-libdir= /usr/local/lib \ --with-gd-include=/usr/local/include \ --with-system-freetype2 --with-freetype2-libdir=/usr/local/lib \ --with-freetype2-include=/usr/local/include --without-cjkutils \ --without-dvidvi --with-x11 --with-system-icu \ --with-icu-libdir=/usr/local/lib --with-icu-include=/usr/local/include Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpW3dcRl44ov.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 12:21:49PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Frank Shute wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2007 at 10:46:18AM +, Christian Walther wrote When I need additional macro packages (one for creating nice presentations would be nice indeed) I'll check with ctan. Check out beamer once you've installed teTeX: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/beameruserguide.pdf There are also some examples installed: /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/doc/latex/beamer/examples/ TeX/Latex has a several level of presentation classes. Simplest is class of documents is slidetex then follows foiltex, prosper, beamer, ppower4 and powerdot. I happen to think that powerdot is by far the best (you can play movies from slides, easily customized easy to use 40 pages manual vs 400 pages for beamer) . Slidetex and foiltex are really low level classes essentially allowing you to create simple slides in TeX. Prosper which is ported for FreeBSD is obsolete (because of powerdot) and baggy . Beamer is ported for FreeBSD and OpenBSD. ppower4 is ported for OpenBSD. The only reason people like beamer (the same goes for ppower4) is that it lets you use pdflatex option while powerdot requires using dvi--ps--pdf. As I am old school this is completely irrelevant for me because that is what I am doing anyway. The quality of slides is whole level up with respect to Beamer. Unfortunately most people seems to disagree with my statement above and use beamer. If you are using serious editor like emacs you can customize editor that it does that automatically for you. I was thinking of porting powerdot my self as there is no dependency relation to TeXLive. Debian and many other distros of Linux have this package in something they call TeX extra I think (basic additional stuff for teTeX). TeXLive does include powerdot by default as every possible option for Latex but is usually modular and you would not install in that fashion anyway. The same goes for MiKTex 2.5 which is standard Windblows distribution of TeX, Latex. I gave up after encountering problems with older fonts in ported version of teTeX and decided that it is better to wait for guys to port TeXLive than to waist the time trying to resolve dependency issues teTeX vs powerdot. In the mean time I use live DVD with TeX Live which is perfectly OK solution with me as I do not want 3.7Gb of all TeXLive junk (font for languages I have never heard or some exotic features) on my hard-drive anyway. It is also really made for Linux and hard-disk installation will do quite a few thinks that we do not allow in FreeBSD (like using /etc file for non system applications) I hope this helps to clarify the issue with presentation classes. Predrag P.S. As always best source of info for TeX related stuff is http://www.ctan.org I recently joined TUG (TeX users group) and one of the benefits of membership is that you can get TeXLive on disk from them. I also find their periodical, Tugboat, to be both informative and interesting. I mainly joined to give a charitable donation as I use TeX/LaTeX quite a bit. Anyway, I recommend joining to users who aren't already joined: http://www.tug.org/ Thanks for your informative runthrough of the presentation classes in LaTeX. I haven't really read comp.text.tex in about 5 years so I'm a bit out of the loop on recent developments and I haven't done a presentation in about 7 years! When I did last, I simply used pdflatex, graphicx and hyperref. -- Frank Contact info: http://www.esperance-linux.co.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LaTeX oder teTeX
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, a few years ago I got a good introduction to TeX, but for some reason stopped using it. Now I want to pick up where I left. I found LaTeX and teTeX in ports, so I wonder what the best tex distribution is. According to the teTeX website there will be no further development (at least not from its original author Thomas Esser). Is LaTeX a better candidate? There should be some support for (or by) LyX, because I would like to use LyX to get start. I know that TeX has a steep learning curve and I hope to reduce it with LyX so that I can dive into TeX while working on my projects. Regards Christian -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHI879ND6QF/amlKsRAq4hAJ0RxhfKVe1kPQrQLpqhF87nTN7bcwCdFHTd oMUTC/sod0fvEEdtbs/RW0A= =rH3o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:51:25PM +, Christian Walther wrote: a few years ago I got a good introduction to TeX, but for some reason stopped using it. Now I want to pick up where I left. I found LaTeX and teTeX in ports, so I wonder what the best tex distribution is. According to the teTeX website there will be no further development (at least not from its original author Thomas Esser). Is LaTeX a better candidate? It looks like the LaTeX in ports is even older than teTeX. The best TeX distribution for UNIX these days is TeXLive. It is a very complete TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt distribution. You can download an iso image here: http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html You'll have to build the binaries yourself, because the pre-built FreeBSD binaries are for 4.x, i.e. out of date. But it's not that difficult. There should be some support for (or by) LyX, because I would like to use LyX to get start. I know that TeX has a steep learning curve and I hope to reduce it with LyX so that I can dive into TeX while working on my projects. If you're relatively new to the TeX world, start with the ConTeXt macro package for TeX, because it is very actively developed. And it's easier than plain TeX. If you want something easier, and you don't care if it doesn't look quite as nice as (La)TeX try OpenOffice or Koffice. Roland -- R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) pgpfsnOMn5aq4.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LaTeX oder teTeX
Roland Smith wrote: On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:51:25PM +, Christian Walther wrote: a few years ago I got a good introduction to TeX, but for some reason stopped using it. Now I want to pick up where I left. I found LaTeX and teTeX in ports, so I wonder what the best tex distribution is. According to the teTeX website there will be no further development (at least not from its original author Thomas Esser). Is LaTeX a better candidate? It looks like the LaTeX in ports is even older than teTeX. The best TeX distribution for UNIX these days is TeXLive. It is a very complete TeX/LaTeX/ConTeXt distribution. You can download an iso image here: http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html You'll have to build the binaries yourself, because the pre-built FreeBSD binaries are for 4.x, i.e. out of date. But it's not that difficult. There should be some support for (or by) LyX, because I would like to use LyX to get start. I know that TeX has a steep learning curve and I hope to reduce it with LyX so that I can dive into TeX while working on my projects. If you're relatively new to the TeX world, start with the ConTeXt macro package for TeX, because it is very actively developed. And it's easier than plain TeX. If you want something easier, and you don't care if it doesn't look quite as nice as (La)TeX try OpenOffice or Koffice. Roland teTeX is a standard distribution of TeX and Latex for Unix and Unix like OS. You need to install teTeX-base which will get you everything you need. Of course it is old since I believe that TeX code is completely frozen since 2001. On the other note teTeX distribution is discontinued last year in favor of TeXLive. TeXLive is not in ports as there are many issues with dependencies. Since TeX is a very old peace of software many things depend on teTeX . People work actively on porting TeXLive but I do not know of single OS or a Linux distro that recommends it at the moment. You can run TeXLive from live DVD however. You can get it from ctan web site. I have teTeX on 3 FreeBSD boxes and one OpenBSD box and I also use TeXLive as I am using the Latex class of presentation powerdot which is not ported for FreeBSD and I could not get it install manually since it requires some new fonts not contained in the teTeX version which is ported for FreeBSD. OpenBSD will also not see TeXLive at least until 4.3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
