Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Patrick Dung patrick_dkt at yahoo.com.hk writes: Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. It's a movie reference (Die Hard). The Beastie logo is still there, in the /boot directory, if you want it. Or the standard orb, by setting it in /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo=orb Thanks for the info. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
On 05.09.2013 14:59, Patrick Dung wrote: On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Patrick Dung patrick_dkt at yahoo.com.hk writes: Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. It's a movie reference (Die Hard). The Beastie logo is still there, in the /boot directory, if you want it. Or the standard orb, by setting it in /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo=orb Thanks for the info. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Yes it's a joke for 9.2 RELEASE, some (including me) explained our disappointment about this but we must keep it for other users for surprise :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
Hello, Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. Thanks and regards, Patrick Dung ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
2013/9/4 Patrick Dung patrick_...@yahoo.com.hk Hello, Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. Thanks and regards, Patrick Dung http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_Daemon -- - (° Dhénin Jean-Jacques / ) 48, rue de la Justice 78300 Poissy ^^ dhe...@gmail.com - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
Patrick Dung patrick_...@yahoo.com.hk writes: Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. It's a movie reference (Die Hard). The Beastie logo is still there, in the /boot directory, if you want it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
Oh I see. I have found that the logo was mentioned in news group org.freebsd.freebsd-chat back in 1997. From: Lowell Gilbert freebsd-questions-lo...@be-well.ilk.org To: Patrick Dung patrick_...@yahoo.com.hk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 11:45 PM Subject: Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2) Patrick Dung patrick_...@yahoo.com.hk writes: Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. It's a movie reference (Die Hard). The Beastie logo is still there, in the /boot directory, if you want it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: The logo at boot (Nakatomi Socrates BSD 9.2)
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013, Lowell Gilbert wrote: Patrick Dung patrick_...@yahoo.com.hk writes: Do you know what is this logo means, or the story behind it? I thought the BSD daemon (logo) has been around for many years in the past. It's a movie reference (Die Hard). The Beastie logo is still there, in the /boot directory, if you want it. Or the standard orb, by setting it in /boot/loader.conf: loader_logo=orb ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
IPv6 Ready Logo test to Freebsd9.0(host), nd.p2 169-175 failed.
Dear Freebsder： I made a Ipv6 ready logo test to Freebsd9.0,but nd.p2 169-175 items were failed . These failed items are related to Redirection. I find the lack of neighbor solicitation make these items fail . Maybe the existence of neighbor cache of the tester Freebsd cause the lack of 'necessary' neighbor solicitation. I don't know how to make these failed items pass. I am looking forward to receive your reply. Thanks! ps: attachments are the image of tester Freebsd's /etc/rc.conf and some related images about the test. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 08:52:32PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:55:11PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: A pitchfork has 2 tines a trident (which is what Beastie carries) has 3. Actually, pitchforks typically have four. Two would be a fauchard or military fork -- a weapon of war. Tridents, meanwhile, are better suited to fishing, while pitchforks are designed to sling hay on a farm. None of the above have anything to do with devils, per se, though pitchforks are occasionally portrayed in devilish images for some reason. Hay isn't what we slung (slinged, slang ??) with four tined forks. It was something farther along the food processing path well mixed with bedding straw. For hay, you really want a 5 tined fork if you can get it. jerry Interestingly, the trident seems to appear in a number of religions. Shiva carries one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shiva_cropped.jpg as does Poseidon IIRC. So maybe Beastie is a disabled Hindu! (missing 2 arms). Not all Hindu deities have that many arms, y'know. Ayyappa, Rama, and Krishna come to mind. Maybe he's just among those Hindu deities. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:55:11PM +0100, Frank Shute wrote: A pitchfork has 2 tines a trident (which is what Beastie carries) has 3. Actually, pitchforks typically have four. Two would be a fauchard or military fork -- a weapon of war. Tridents, meanwhile, are better suited to fishing, while pitchforks are designed to sling hay on a farm. None of the above have anything to do with devils, per se, though pitchforks are occasionally portrayed in devilish images for some reason. I'd think there wouldn't be much hay surviving in a lake of fire, though. Interestingly, the trident seems to appear in a number of religions. Shiva carries one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shiva_cropped.jpg as does Poseidon IIRC. So maybe Beastie is a disabled Hindu! (missing 2 arms). Not all Hindu deities have that many arms, y'know. Ayyappa, Rama, and Krishna come to mind. Maybe he's just among those Hindu deities. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp9viBbFKEay.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Hi, I'd think there wouldn't be much hay surviving in a lake of fire, though. If you go fishing in this lake of fire, can you use a trident instead of a pitchfork? Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 10:13:32 +0700 (ICT), Olivier Nicole olivier.nic...@cs.ait.ac.th wrote: Hi, I'd think there wouldn't be much hay surviving in a lake of fire, though. If you go fishing in this lake of fire, can you use a trident instead of a pitchfork? Sure, but everything you'll catch will be fish chips. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 05:07:26PM +, Mario Lobo wrote: On Thursday 29 July 2010 19:45:02 Antonio Olivares wrote: I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Because Beastie just has his pitchfork Well, don't forget that sado-masochists would find tons of usages for the pitchfork, maybe even beastie's horns along with it :) A pitchfork has 2 tines a trident (which is what Beastie carries) has 3. Interestingly, the trident seems to appear in a number of religions. Shiva carries one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shiva_cropped.jpg as does Poseidon IIRC. So maybe Beastie is a disabled Hindu! (missing 2 arms). Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Hello What ever you ppl, say does it really depend on some logo? I` am sick an tired of downld that kind of mails from this list. I mean there are more trouble in the world then discuss `bout some logo of and Underground OS. That`s my opinion so please don`t feed the troll thx Daniel -- \\|// (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo - Unix is a computer virus with a user interface - -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 10:30:45AM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Friday, July 30, 2010 14:06:07 +1000 Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: . . . Now about that sex toy.. It's a girl thing, Paul. Or rather, a girls thing .. and no, I didn't forget an apostrophe. Hope that helps. Somewhere in the distant past I remember stumbling across benwa. It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson Indeed, as this thread has demonstrated to excess (sure, pot, kettle :) Maybe we should go with an image of the ToothFairy .. at least that's an imaginary being that (almost) everyone over the age of seven KNOWS is an imaginary friend - or foe, as preferred. Cue the anti-ToothFairy crowd. The image I have of a tooth fairy might not be very appealing. Maybe it was just a local thing back in the late 60's early 70's but we had a character; a rather burly male with muscles, but something of a pot too, hairy legs, arms and chest, a cigar and possibly some missing teeth.I suppose some may consider him a sex toy. jerry -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
--On Friday, July 30, 2010 14:06:07 +1000 Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au wrote: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 321, Issue 11, Message: 20 On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:20:24 -0500 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: --On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.eduwrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. Well, I guess I'm old fashioned. I had no idea that was a sex toy, nor would Iknow how to use it. Anybody care to explain? :-) Oh, and the absolute best part of this never-ending thread has been the Agnostix, Atheistix, JeesuX back and forth. Had me rolling in the aisle several times. Now about that sex toy.. It's a girl thing, Paul. Or rather, a girls thing .. and no, I didn't forget an apostrophe. Hope that helps. Somewhere in the distant past I remember stumbling across benwa. It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson Indeed, as this thread has demonstrated to excess (sure, pot, kettle :) Maybe we should go with an image of the ToothFairy .. at least that's an imaginary being that (almost) everyone over the age of seven KNOWS is an imaginary friend - or foe, as preferred. Cue the anti-ToothFairy crowd. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Will someone PLEASE kill this thread! Moderator(s)? Er, questions@ is not moderated ... You are, of course, welcome to add a rule to your procmail or whatever to delete these messages before you see them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0600 Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott Personally, I tried to stay out of this conversion (because it's OT and I find all religions annoying). But, anyway, IIRC, the reason why our nice little beastie is no longer the official FreeBSD logo, is the sentiments you just mentioned. There was a discussion about this years ago on one of the mailing lists (I don't remember which one anymore), which resulted in a contest, and the result is the horned ball logo you find on the top of www.freebsd.org. This is also the reason why we have to add 'beastie_disable=NO' to /boot/loader.conf after a fresh install now. So, please, refrain from calling for yet another new logo. Best regards 文鳥 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Hi! I like this daemon. I'm using this daemon: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=viewImagefriendID=308365571albumID=0imageID=4021319 OS and computer are not religion. Or I'm wrong? Amiga vs Atari, daemon vs angel? RYCHoo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 24/07/2010 04:01, Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: [...] I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. [...] The logo means that all the people not trying out FreeBSD are going to go directly to hell after death. The logo is not un-Christian (The Devil is somewhere in the Bible), but many people are un-Christian, though. Thanks, Victor. Cheers, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:52:07AM +0200, ?? wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0600 Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott Personally, I tried to stay out of this conversion (because it's OT and I find all religions annoying). But, anyway, IIRC, the reason why our nice little beastie is no longer the official FreeBSD logo, is the sentiments you just mentioned. There was a discussion about this years ago on one of the mailing lists (I don't remember which one anymore), which resulted in a contest, and the result is the horned ball logo you find on the top of www.freebsd.org. This is also the reason why we have to add 'beastie_disable=NO' to /boot/loader.conf after a fresh install now. So, please, refrain from calling for yet another new logo. Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the logo. As far as marketing products to a wide range of buyers, googling for red devil gets me Red Devil home repair and refinishing products Red Devil Italian Restaraunt Red Devil Equipment Co. Red Devil Lounge Red Devil Energy drink Red Devil snow blowers Red Devil hot sauce Red Devil Records Red Devil brakes Red Devil pedicab service Red Devil fire training and consuling You'll get a similar list if you google for blue devil. So it seems that Beastie has lots of company out there in product land. Images of devils seem to be successful in marketing products. I don't believe that creating an alternative to Beastie is going to do anything to increase FBSD market share. My best wishes to the OP. I hope he finds something he's comfortable with. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 04:59:34PM -0500, Gary Gatten wrote: Will someone PLEASE kill this thread! Moderator(s)? This is an unmoderated list. jerry PS: Whomever wrote the comment a few posts back about calling support for Agnostix and they always said not enough information... You sir are a freaking comedic GENIUS! G -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:47 PM To: Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion) Dale Scott wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott God, I rewrote this 4 times, because I need to be careful and correct here. First, there is no honest reason why people of differing opinions can't get along. If others have problems with me having my own beliefs, I won't force them to live my way, but they must respect my own choices too. The major point here, though, is a historical one: appeasement does not work, and even the attempt leads to problems. The point is, no sane person really believes that Beastie equates to devil worship, and I don't like the idea of letting crazies dictate my life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:27AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:52:07AM +0200, ?? wrote: On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:55:04 -0600 Dale Scott dalesc...@shaw.ca wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott Personally, I tried to stay out of this conversion (because it's OT and I find all religions annoying). But, anyway, IIRC, the reason why our nice little beastie is no longer the official FreeBSD logo, is the sentiments you just mentioned. There was a discussion about this years ago on one of the mailing lists (I don't remember which one anymore), which resulted in a contest, and the result is the horned ball logo you find on the top of www.freebsd.org. This is also the reason why we have to add 'beastie_disable=NO' to /boot/loader.conf after a fresh install now. So, please, refrain from calling for yet another new logo. Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the logo. Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. jerry As far as marketing products to a wide range of buyers, googling for red devil gets me Red Devil home repair and refinishing products Red Devil Italian Restaraunt Red Devil Equipment Co. Red Devil Lounge Red Devil Energy drink Red Devil snow blowers Red Devil hot sauce Red Devil Records Red Devil brakes Red Devil pedicab service Red Devil fire training and consuling You'll get a similar list if you google for blue devil. So it seems that Beastie has lots of company out there in product land. Images of devils seem to be successful in marketing products. I don't believe that creating an alternative to Beastie is going to do anything to increase FBSD market share. My best wishes to the OP. I hope he finds something he's comfortable with. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:05:03 +0200, Antonio Vieiro anto...@antonioshome.net wrote: The logo means that all the people not trying out FreeBSD are going to go directly to hell after death. No need to wait such a long time... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
--On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. Well, I guess I'm old fashioned. I had no idea that was a sex toy, nor would I know how to use it. Anybody care to explain? :-) Oh, and the absolute best part of this never-ending thread has been the Agnostix, Atheistix, JeesuX back and forth. Had me rolling in the aisle several times. Now about that sex toy.. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 07:30:02PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:05:03 +0200, Antonio Vieiro anto...@antonioshome.net wrote: The logo means that all the people not trying out FreeBSD are going to go directly to hell after death. No need to wait such a long time... :-) No . . . before death, they're in Pergatory, being (hopefully) cleansed of their sins. If they never repent of those other OSes, though, *then* they go to Hell. . . . or something. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpRW5t364sH7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:20:24PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. Well, I guess I'm old fashioned. I had no idea that was a sex toy, nor would I know how to use it. Anybody care to explain? :-) Oh, and the absolute best part of this never-ending thread has been the Agnostix, Atheistix, JeesuX back and forth. Had me rolling in the aisle several times. Are you sure that was not the spirit moving in you. I am waiting for the testimony. Now about that sex toy.. Anything with about any shape, usually with some bumps that can -- well, use your imagination! jerry -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson The problem is that reason has become narrowed and stylized in an unreasonable way since then. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 29 July 2010: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 07:30:02PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:05:03 +0200, Antonio Vieiro anto...@antonioshome.net wrote: The logo means that all the people not trying out FreeBSD are going to go directly to hell after death. No need to wait such a long time... :-) No . . . before death, they're in Pergatory, being (hopefully) cleansed of their sins. If they never repent of those other OSes, though, *then* they go to Hell. . . . or something. Thank Beastie and Chad (who was instrumental in my conversion) that I saw the light, after 20 years of serving the *real* devil: http://egomania.nu/gates.html -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpC4tyF9nabm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:22:24PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 07:30:02PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:05:03 +0200, Antonio Vieiro anto...@antonioshome.net wrote: The logo means that all the people not trying out FreeBSD are going to go directly to hell after death. No need to wait such a long time... :-) No . . . before death, they're in Pergatory, being (hopefully) cleansed of their sins. If they never repent of those other OSes, though, *then* they go to Hell. Our church and most protestant churches do not accept purgatory. I think we would say that those of the other OSen are already in hell and those who have seen the light and are in a relationship with the true OS have been welcomed to the kingdom - here and now. jerry . . . or something. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:39:16 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Our church and most protestant churches do not accept purgatory. I do not accept the moon - it's just the backside of the sun. Also I don't accept gravity as its effects are just actions intended by falling objects to do something to annoy me. :-) I think we would say that those of the other OSen are already in hell and those who have seen the light and are in a relationship with the true OS have been welcomed to the kingdom - here and now. It's called hell on earth (as depicted in D__M II). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Thursday 29 July 2010 18:54:06 Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:39:16 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Our church and most protestant churches do not accept purgatory. I do not accept the moon - it's just the backside of the sun. Also I don't accept gravity as its effects are just actions intended by falling objects to do something to annoy me. :-) I think we would say that those of the other OSen are already in hell and those who have seen the light and are in a relationship with the true OS have been welcomed to the kingdom - here and now. It's called hell on earth (as depicted in D__M II). :-) :D I'm starting to have fun with this ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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I am having fun too! And I had seen the quote on the bible of the number of the beast: http://egomania.nu/gates.html How about the Koran/Quran? Does it have something like this? Does the Book of Mormon have something related? I don't want to ask a priest/pastor about Beastie :( But yes we are in difficult times and then the 2012 saga, will the world end? Thanks for sharing the fun :) Regards, Antonio On 7/29/10, Mario Lobo l...@bsd.com.br wrote: On Thursday 29 July 2010 18:54:06 Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:39:16 -0400, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Our church and most protestant churches do not accept purgatory. I do not accept the moon - it's just the backside of the sun. Also I don't accept gravity as its effects are just actions intended by falling objects to do something to annoy me. :-) I think we would say that those of the other OSen are already in hell and those who have seen the light and are in a relationship with the true OS have been welcomed to the kingdom - here and now. It's called hell on earth (as depicted in D__M II). :-) :D I'm starting to have fun with this ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On 7/29/10, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:20:24PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. Well, I guess I'm old fashioned. I had no idea that was a sex toy, nor would I know how to use it. Anybody care to explain? :-) Oh, and the absolute best part of this never-ending thread has been the Agnostix, Atheistix, JeesuX back and forth. Had me rolling in the aisle several times. Users have forgot about Slax, which is an AtheistOS according to some. How could they forget about it? Are you sure that was not the spirit moving in you. I am waiting for the testimony. Now about that sex toy.. Anything with about any shape, usually with some bumps that can -- well, use your imagination! jerry I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Because Beastie just has his pitchfork and it has no sexual connotations. Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thursday 29 July 2010 19:45:02 Antonio Olivares wrote: I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Because Beastie just has his pitchfork Well, don't forget that sado-masochists would find tons of usages for the pitchfork, maybe even beastie's horns along with it :) -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Quoth Mario Lobo on Thursday, 29 July 2010: On Thursday 29 July 2010 19:45:02 Antonio Olivares wrote: I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Because Beastie just has his pitchfork Well, don't forget that sado-masochists would find tons of usages for the pitchfork, maybe even beastie's horns along with it :) ... and what about that long tail with the potentially useful tip? -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpEtonJE88vK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
--On Thursday, July 29, 2010 14:34:49 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:20:24PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. [clipped] Now about that sex toy.. Anything with about any shape, usually with some bumps that can -- well, use your imagination! Ah. Now I see the problem. No imagination -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thursday 29 July 2010 20:22:26 Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Mario Lobo on Thursday, 29 July 2010: On Thursday 29 July 2010 19:45:02 Antonio Olivares wrote: I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Because Beastie just has his pitchfork Well, don't forget that sado-masochists would find tons of usages for the pitchfork, maybe even beastie's horns along with it :) ... and what about that long tail with the potentially useful tip? Ah ! very observant, grasshopper ;) LoLx10E14 ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winfoes FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On 29/07/2010 20:45:02, Antonio Olivares wrote: I am sorry but I am now confused, the BSD Logo : http://www.freebsd.org/layout/images/logo-red.png is the sex toy right? Someone really should *make* some of these -- polybutadiene rubber (you know -- like those super-bouncy balls) in translucent red. About 3--4cm in diameter. Would make an excellent freebie to hand out at conferences and the like. Cheers Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matt...@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:03:07AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:15:27AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: Beastie is the mascot, and the sex toy is the logo. It is only the mascot that the OP objected to. He didn't mention any objections to the logo. Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. In that case, I'm glad I was able to contribute my share of misinformation and confusion to this thread. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Antonio Olivares wrote: But yes we are in difficult times and then the 2012 saga, will the world end? I have it on good AUTHORITY: $dig @daleco.biz daleco.biz | grep AUTHORITY: ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 1 That we're perfectly OK: $ ssh daleco.biz uname -mrs cal Jan 2013 FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE-p11 i386 January 2013 Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 See? BSD says so ;-) KDK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 321, Issue 11, Message: 20 On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:20:24 -0500 Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com wrote: --On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:03:07 -0400 Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: Actually, the OP said logo and made no mention of mascott. I am the one way back in this thread that introduced the difference of BSDie mascot and round thing logo in this thread. I assumed the OP meant the BSDie mascot and proceeded in that direction. But, it is possible that the OP really did mean that sex toy than made him uncomfortable for religious reasons. I haven't heard my assumption corrected by him though. Well, I guess I'm old fashioned. I had no idea that was a sex toy, nor would I know how to use it. Anybody care to explain? :-) Oh, and the absolute best part of this never-ending thread has been the Agnostix, Atheistix, JeesuX back and forth. Had me rolling in the aisle several times. Now about that sex toy.. It's a girl thing, Paul. Or rather, a girls thing .. and no, I didn't forget an apostrophe. Hope that helps. It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson Indeed, as this thread has demonstrated to excess (sure, pot, kettle :) Maybe we should go with an image of the ToothFairy .. at least that's an imaginary being that (almost) everyone over the age of seven KNOWS is an imaginary friend - or foe, as preferred. cheers, Ian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On 7/28/10, Chuck Robey chu...@telenix.org wrote: Dale Scott wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott God, I rewrote this 4 times, because I need to be careful and correct here. First, there is no honest reason why people of differing opinions can't get along. If others have problems with me having my own beliefs, I won't force them to live my way, but they must respect my own choices too. The major point here, though, is a historical one: appeasement does not work, and even the attempt leads to problems. The point is, no sane person really believes that Beastie equates to devil worship, and I don't like the idea of letting crazies dictate my life. ___ For users that are not offended, you can read about a story about Beastie: http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html I remember having read that article a long time ago, but is also linked here in a recent article illustrating FreeBSD: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Health-Check-FreeBSD-The-unknown-giant-920248.html Regards, Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Tue, July 27, 2010 3:09 pm, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. I tried Agnostix, but it's impossible to get support; every bug report gets closed with a status of not enough information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Quoth David Brodbeck on Wednesday, 28 July 2010: On Tue, July 27, 2010 3:09 pm, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. I tried Agnostix, but it's impossible to get support; every bug report gets closed with a status of not enough information. With Atheix, they're all closed with Not a problem. With Jesux, it's always, Will be fixed in Coming 2.0 (to be released soon, we promise). Workaround: apply more faith. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgptdkt7Q19od.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck g...@gull.us Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 11:25 Subject: Re: BSD logo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On Tue, July 27, 2010 3:09 pm, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. I tried Agnostix, but it's impossible to get support; every bug report gets closed with a status of not enough information. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- unsubscr...@freebsd.org == Dale Scott, P.Eng. e-mail: dalesc...@shaw.ca http://dalescott.shawwebspace.ca ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Terrence Koeman wrote: Subject: Re: BSD logo On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Is this real? It looks like a page from landoverbaptist.com or something. I'm still deciding whether to laugh or cry... Of course not. Even Jesus knows RedHat sucks. Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
Dale Scott wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott God, I rewrote this 4 times, because I need to be careful and correct here. First, there is no honest reason why people of differing opinions can't get along. If others have problems with me having my own beliefs, I won't force them to live my way, but they must respect my own choices too. The major point here, though, is a historical one: appeasement does not work, and even the attempt leads to problems. The point is, no sane person really believes that Beastie equates to devil worship, and I don't like the idea of letting crazies dictate my life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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Will someone PLEASE kill this thread! Moderator(s)? PS: Whomever wrote the comment a few posts back about calling support for Agnostix and they always said not enough information... You sir are a freaking comedic GENIUS! G -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Robey Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:47 PM To: Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion) Dale Scott wrote: Personally, I enjoy our mascot Beastie, as well as the Beastie-influenced official logo. I also smile when I see Casper, Wendy andHotStuff. However, I also accept there are individuals who understand these symbols differently than me, and that I may be alienating them to my detriment. It seems consumer products need to be mindful of cultural differences, is FreeBSD different? A larger community and increased OS market share wouldn't be all that bad, would it? I hope that those of you who believe in FreeBSD but with a personal conflict with the mascot or logo, band together and propose a complementary alternate symbol. I don't mean flooding the mail list (it's obvious we can do that on our own), I'm talking about difficult time-consuming organization, lobbying, and support gathering. For me, I hope Beastie endures forever - he our first and legacy mascot - but I also wouldn't object to one or two more officially sanctioned mascots and logos either. Dale Scott God, I rewrote this 4 times, because I need to be careful and correct here. First, there is no honest reason why people of differing opinions can't get along. If others have problems with me having my own beliefs, I won't force them to live my way, but they must respect my own choices too. The major point here, though, is a historical one: appeasement does not work, and even the attempt leads to problems. The point is, no sane person really believes that Beastie equates to devil worship, and I don't like the idea of letting crazies dictate my life. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo (a moderate opinion)
On 7/28/2010 1:46 PM, Chuck Robey wrote: The point is, no sane person really believes that Beastie equates to devil worship, and I don't like the idea of letting crazies dictate my life. So you're saying I shouldn't be ritualing sacrificing a chicken as Carl Orff's - O Fortuna plays in the background, while chanting all hail Beastie, as FreeBSD boots up each time? I really wish someone would of told me this sooner, why isn't this in the handbook!? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:20:48PM -0600, Chad Perrin typed: You're a self-righteous git, and probably personally offended by the appearance of an attack on Christianity (which is never what was intended, nor even what happened, at least in the case of the specific email to which you replied). Try stepping back, reading more closely, and responding to what was *actually* said. But in my honest opinion, all religion is evil. That's why I like beasty :D ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 27 jul 2010, at 11:10, Bulk wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 06:20:48PM -0600, Chad Perrin typed: You're a self-righteous git, and probably personally offended by the appearance of an attack on Christianity (which is never what was intended, nor even what happened, at least in the case of the specific email to which you replied). Try stepping back, reading more closely, and responding to what was *actually* said. But in my honest opinion, all religion is evil. That's why I like beasty :D lol yeah and FreeBSD means 'Free Beelzebub, Satan, Devil' ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Chad Perrin wrote: Andy Balholm wrote: although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. Really? Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- perhaps a source in common for the traditional depictions of the devil? There may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of the other. Correlation does not imply causation. Did you ask the original Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating images of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like the OP? I jumped to a conclusion, but I'll stand by it until someone shows me the ancient common source. I don't recall anything that looks much like Beastie in Greek art. When someone in the modern western culture decides to draw a daemon and it comes out looking like a demon, the most plausible explanation is that he was influenced—consciously or unconsciously—by this culture's traditional way of depicting demons. In fact, not being influenced by that tradition would take a conscious effort. So I find that far more likely than an obscure common source. Note that I am not attributing the resemblance to any fiendish motives. I expect the artist just found the pun too good to pass up. I'll CC him in case he wants to comment on his sources, since you think he should be asked. Andy Balholm (509) 276-2065 a...@balholm.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 02:06:17PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. Careful about making rash generalizations. I replied to the OP with some info on the background of BSDie and how he was drawn. He sent me a nice thank you and sounded more interested in the information than in promoting a cause. Although I have know those who seem to function in the way you describe, but I know as many or more religious people to think about what they say and are willing to let people of other persuasions to think and say what they want - and take responsibility for their own consequences. Don't let a few weirdos on TV and radio determine the total of your learning about religions. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Am 27.07.2010 17:23, schrieb Andy Balholm: Chad Perrin wrote: Andy Balholm wrote: although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. Really? Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- perhaps a source in common for the traditional depictions of the devil? There may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of the other. Correlation does not imply causation. Did you ask the original Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating images of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like the OP? I jumped to a conclusion, but I'll stand by it until someone shows me the ancient common source. I don't recall anything that looks much like Beastie in Greek art. Perhaps there are some ancient depictions/sculptures of the greek god Pan (god of the shepherds) around? Pan partially resembles a goat. Greetings Uli. When someone in the modern western culture decides to draw a daemon and it comes out looking like a demon, the most plausible explanation is that he was influenced—consciously or unconsciously—by this culture's traditional way of depicting demons. In fact, not being influenced by that tradition would take a conscious effort. So I find that far more likely than an obscure common source. Note that I am not attributing the resemblance to any fiendish motives. I expect the artist just found the pun too good to pass up. I'll CC him in case he wants to comment on his sources, since you think he should be asked. Andy Balholm (509) 276-2065 a...@balholm.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: BSD logo
[snip] Perhaps there are some ancient depictions/sculptures of the greek god Pan (god of the shepherds) around? Pan partially resembles a goat. This page has some articles on the subject: http://www.helium.com/knowledge/112455-where-did-the-image-used-to-represent-satan-come-from -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote all replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
--On Monday, July 26, 2010 18:20:48 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 01:24:21PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Saturday, July 24, 2010 00:24:46 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in question. When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. I am therefore left to wonder who really is the intolerant one. One cannot claim to be tolerant while demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without every having read a book. How perspicacious of you. I'll quote myself basically saying exactly that -- that I am not particularly interested in dialog with someone who, I'm sure, has already made up his or her mind: In any case, I didn't claim to be tolerant. In fact, I very specifically said I was sure someone would accuse me of intolerance, and went on to explain that I am guilty of intolerance of those who are intolerant themselves. Why are you just repeating what I have said, but in the tone of an accusation? How intolerant are *you* today? We can let the readers decide that. (Not that it matters to me one way or the other.) The man asked a simple question. You then launched into a lengthy diatribe against intolerance, and you continue to lash out at anyone who takes issue with your responses. I made no value judgments about you. I simply parroted your own words. Yet you rise up in self-righteous anger in response. Then you cement your apparent ntolerance of any criticism with pot, kettle, black. Perhaps the mote in your eye is obscuring the mite in others. It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first response did? No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are different from our own. Because we're so enlightened? Or because we are even more ignorant than we suppose he is? I *did* answer the question before heaping ridicule on someone who, as I stated, I believe had already made up his or her mind, and had no genuine interest in dialog in the first place. So now that you know you were wrong, will you apologize? (I'm not holding my breath.) At a minimum, get some help for the anger issues. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
2010/7/23 Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru Hi! This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? I suggest you look at http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/new89/satan.773.html for some more information on this. Victor. //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzmanjba...@gmail.com www.jbaltz.com foo mane padme hum twitter: @lorvax ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:02 AM, Kruppa, Peter Ulrich wrote: Am 27.07.2010 17:23, schrieb Andy Balholm: Chad Perrin wrote: Andy Balholm wrote: although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. Really? Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- perhaps a source in common for the traditional depictions of the devil? There may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of the other. Correlation does not imply causation. Did you ask the original Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating images of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like the OP? I jumped to a conclusion, but I'll stand by it until someone shows me the ancient common source. I don't recall anything that looks much like Beastie in Greek art. Perhaps there are some ancient depictions/sculptures of the greek god Pan (god of the shepherds) around? Pan partially resembles a goat. The BSD daemon doesn't look like a goat (or Pan) at all. Maybe he has cloven hooves inside those tennis shoes; I don't know. But Pan could certainly have had some influence on how the Devil was traditionally drawn. My point wasn't that there is no earlier source that traditional depictions of the Devil draw on. They aren't based on anything in the Bible, so it seems quite likely that there is. I was just saying that the BSD daemon is not derived from that ancient source _independently_; its immediate source is almost certainly the traditional depictions of demons. Andy Balholm (509) 276-2065 a...@balholm.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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--On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpGPGBXG6m9V.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Subject: Re: BSD logo On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Is this real? It looks like a page from landoverbaptist.com or something. I'm still deciding whether to laugh or cry... -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote all replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: BSD logo
-Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chip Camden Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD logo Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. I'm imagining Agnostix would need uncertain values for true and false, and Atheix wouldn't believe in the PATH and therefore won't look for it. -- Regards, T. Koeman, MTh/BSc/BPsy; Technical Monk MediaMonks B.V. (www.mediamonks.com) Please quote all replies in correspondence. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Quoth Terrence Koeman on Wednesday, 28 July 2010: -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chip Camden Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 12:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD logo Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. I'm imagining Agnostix would need uncertain values for true and false, and Atheix wouldn't believe in the PATH and therefore won't look for it. Well, Agnostix allow that there might be a kernel of truth. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com pgpGuFMseMpvH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 03:09:52PM -0700, Chip Camden wrote: Quoth Paul Schmehl on Tuesday, 27 July 2010: --On Tuesday, July 27, 2010 15:49:47 -0500 Reid Linnemann lr...@cs.okstate.edu wrote: On final analysis, I think the OP should abandon any desire for FreeBSD in favor of this: http://pudge.net/jesux/ Sheesh. Now I really have seen everything. Not quite. Someone needs to come out with an OS named Atheix, and another called Agnostix. Then we'll be complete. -- Sterling (Chip) Camden| sterl...@camdensoftware.com | 2048D/3A978E4F http://camdensoftware.com | http://chipstips.com| http://chipsquips.com this wins first prize:: ROFL. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.83a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org 99 44/100% Guaranteed Novel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 01:38:38PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: I made no value judgments about you. Bullshit. You must be a troll, the way you lie to me about what you just said -- even in the same paragraph as that lie. At a minimum, get some help for the anger issues. You are probably not a psychologist. If you are, you should have your degree revoked for trying to diagnose people over the Internet based on a minor flame war. Get off your high horse. It's not doing you any good. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpXBphphDY6i.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
Kruppa, Peter Ulrich pukru...@googlemail.com wrote: Pan (god of the shepherds) ... partially resembles a goat. And thus, when a critic Pans a show, he gets the performers' goat? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:20:31AM -0500, Kevin Monceaux wrote: On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:29:37AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Without downloading a PDF and reading it . . . do you know what Latin variant is used in that document? No, without download and reading the PDF I wouldn't know what Latin variant is used in that document. :-) Since it was only a 39K file, there was no reason for me to worry about downloading it. I meant Can you tell me the answer to this question so I don't have to download it then see if I can figure it out? Is it classical, church, or scientifically bastardized Latin (for instance)? I'm curious. Yes, to all of the above. It has a chart showing a few pronunciations including classical which it describes as the reconstructed ancient pronunciation. It even includes an English method which is basically pronouncing Latin words as if they were English words. Okay, thanks. That answers my question, and makes me want to actually download the thing. I know that in at least some contexts the Latin pronunciation is more dee than dai for daemon, and that dee is the pronunciation generally considered correct for server processes in Unix systems. Beyond that, it's entirely possible there are other pronunciations of which I am not aware -- though I'm pretty sure day is solely an artifact of people trying to figure out how to pronounce terms that contain the ae (or the æ ligature) without actually trying to look it up. The above document describes ae in classical pronunciation as like ai in aisle and in all other pronunciations like Latin ē. It describes Latin ē in all pronunciations, except the English method, as like a in plate. Going by the above the first syllable of daemon could be pronounced like day. That's rather contrary to what I had learned (which is, admittedly, not a whole lot). I'll give the document a look. Thanks. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpKIYGQTU8sf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On 7/24/10 5:59 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 12:05:14AM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote: I'm reminded that the SATAN network scanner project used to ship a utility with the source code that would patch it to rename it SANTA. I suppose someone could fork a new BSD distribution with an angel for a logo, to mollify these sorts of people. Call it BlessedBSD (BleSseD?) or something. ;) By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea, the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*. Pronouncing it aloud makes the high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't quite catch it on the first read-through. i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable. http://is.gd/dJRn3 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 7/23/10 10:01 PM, Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru wrote: I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. to me, devils, daemons and demons are mythological critters like elves, pixies and bogey men. Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? everyone is free to interpret the image as the please. there are alternatives for anyone who, after due study of the horned cartoon character, concludes that freebsd is blasphemous. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Original message Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:40:26 -0400 From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org (on behalf of Tom Worster f...@thefsb.org) Subject: Re: BSD logo To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org On 7/23/10 10:01 PM, Victor Skovorodnikov vic...@mail.ru wrote: I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. to me, devils, daemons and demons are mythological critters like elves, pixies and bogey men. fwiw: the first time I saw the logo it reminded me of the gremlin in the Bugs Bunny cartoon Falling Hare (see wikipedia). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
David Brodbeck wrote: It also hasn't escaped my notice that the original poster has never come back to this thread; I suspect we've been trolled, folks. That's possible. It's also possible that, after reading the responses to his inquiry, the original poster decided that his question had been adequately answered, his concerns were justified, and he should use a different operating system. If so, I can hardly blame him, even though I personally feel that boycotting BSD because of its mascot doesn't fit very well with the apostle Paul's advice to the Corinthian Christians that it was OK for them to buy from butchers who sacrifice to daemons (my own translation of δαιμονίοις θύει in 1 Corinthians 10:20). The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern about BSD's image, not an accusation of satanism or an attempt to start an argument. I wouldn't call his concern ignorant either: although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. Andy Balholm (509) 276-2065 a...@balholm.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:39:12 -0700 Andy Balholm a...@balholm.com articulated: David Brodbeck wrote: It also hasn't escaped my notice that the original poster has never come back to this thread; I suspect we've been trolled, folks. That's possible. It's also possible that, after reading the responses to his inquiry, the original poster decided that his question had been adequately answered, his concerns were justified, and he should use a different operating system. If so, I can hardly blame him, even though I personally feel that boycotting BSD because of its mascot doesn't fit very well with the apostle Paul's advice to the Corinthian Christians that it was OK for them to buy from butchers who sacrifice to daemons (my own translation of δαιμονίοις θύει in 1 Corinthians 10:20). The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern about BSD's image, not an accusation of satanism or an attempt to start an argument. I wouldn't call his concern ignorant either: although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. I have always been partial to a passage by a famous American author. Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion — several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight. Mark Twain -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ We don't know who discovered water, but we're certain it wasn't a fish. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Suffice it to say, though there are many intuitive comments I think that ultimately we are beating a dead horse with another dead horse while standing on a dead horse. The corpses are starting to reek. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea, the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*. Pronouncing it aloud makes the high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't quite catch it on the first read-through. i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable. http://is.gd/dJRn3 After the install, does it say SoMoteItBSD? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Hello, On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 17:39, Andy Balholm a...@balholm.com wrote: The original post looks to me like an expression of sincere concern about BSD's image I'd say, if the logo is hard to cope with for some, then they may be comforted in something of a far more importance than the logo - FreeBSD bottom line is power to serve - a very Christian concept, though unfortunately often forgotten. :) Add reliability, openness and a friendly followers on top of that and you have got a very attractive package that would be hard to beat. Warm regards, -- Zbigniew Szalbot www.slowo.pl www.fairtrade.net.pl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
--On Saturday, July 24, 2010 00:24:46 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in question. When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. I am therefore left to wonder who really is the intolerant one. One cannot claim to be tolerant while demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without every having read a book. It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first response did? No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are different from our own. Because we're so enlightened? Or because we are even more ignorant than we suppose he is? -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
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On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.comwrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. I am therefore left to wonder who really is the intolerant one. One cannot claim to be tolerant while demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without every having read a book. It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first response did? No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are different from our own. Because we're so enlightened? Or because we are even more ignorant than we suppose he is? To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Because people like that impose their beliefs on others. Let's not pretend that the end-goal of initiating that dialog is anything other than change it due to my beliefs or a troll. -- Adam Vande More ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 03:41:27PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote: On Sun 25 Jul 2010 at 14:42:14 PDT Matthew Seaman wrote: Besides, I suspect that the OP was not in fact genuinely offended but merely trying to stir up trouble Which makes it all the more disappointing that so many of you took the bait. I stand by my previous comments. Please end this thread, now. Oh, I have been enjoying it. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:17 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. Reminds me to the discussion around Russell's teapot... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
--On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description. -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not those of my employer. *** It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead. Thomas Jefferson ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description. Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly. I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On 7/26/10 12:35 PM, Pegasus Mc Cleaft k...@mthelicon.com wrote: By the way . . . while I think a BelssedBSD fork is a ridiculous idea, the name BlessedBSD is *brilliant*. Pronouncing it aloud makes the high-quality pun buried in the name more obvious, for those who didn't quite catch it on the first read-through. i agree. lovely name. the pagan connection is delectable. http://is.gd/dJRn3 After the install, does it say SoMoteItBSD? and gives you a distinctive handshake. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:06:17 -0700, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. Reminds me to the discussion around Russell's teapot... No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming (Revelations-1.0). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:59 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description. Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly. I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though. OT Seems so, but it's a very interesting topic.I kindly invite all interested in having this discussion here: http://ekowiki.org/index.php/Religion This is a humble project I started a while back when I decided to stop talking and thinking and actually try to do something... /OT ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Alejandro Imass a...@p2ee.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:59 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 3:53 pm, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description. Well, all I can say is I was a regular church-goer for 20 years, and went to religious school for six of those, so I come by my position honestly. I guess this is pretty thoroughly OT at this point, though. OT Seems so, but it's a very interesting topic.I kindly invite all interested in having this discussion here: http://ekowiki.org/index.php/Religion This is a humble project I started a while back when I decided to stop talking and thinking and actually try to do something... /OT Oh, and BTW it runs on FBSD, of course ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:22:21 -0500, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming (Revelations-1.0). Do *NOT* tempt me. Okay, you did. And this is what will happen: It turns this thread into a bottomless pit of nonsense, but well, you asked for it. :-) ,ggg, nd spotteth twice they the system before dP8I the fifth version, and so, the Programmers dP 88 went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath, dP88 by Shell Ethra Joygalion, to the house of ,8'88 Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola, he who brought the d better list to Kerneygham and the tank pool __ ,8 88 to the house of Ritchomon, and there slew dP ,8P Y8 they the list messages, yea, and placed they Yb,_,dP `8b, the bits in little bit buckets. Here endeth Y8P `Y8 the lesson. (Pal 8:256) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 08:39:12AM -0700, Andy Balholm wrote: It's also possible that, after reading the responses to his inquiry, the original poster decided that his question had been adequately answered, his concerns were justified, and he should use a different operating system. although the UNIX term daemon is not satanic in origin, some aspects of Beastie's appearance are obviously derived from traditional depictions of the Devil. Really? Are you sure they weren't derived from something else -- perhaps a source in common for the traditional depictions of the devil? There may be a common source for both, rather than one being the source of the other. Correlation does not imply causation. Did you ask the original Beastie artist for confirmation that he was consciously emulating images of the Christian devil, or did you just jump to a conclusion like the OP? -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgp6ugw8jNGAY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On 7/26/10 8:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: ,ggg, nd spotteth twice they the system before dP8I the fifth version, and so, the Programmers dP 88 went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath, dP88 by Shell Ethra Joygalion, to the house of ,8'88 Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola, he who brought the d better list to Kerneygham and the tank pool __ ,8 88 to the house of Ritchomon, and there slew dP ,8P Y8 they the list messages, yea, and placed they Yb,_,dP `8b, the bits in little bit buckets. Here endeth Y8P `Y8 the lesson. (Pal 8:256) *clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap* Well done, sir. :) Best, --Glenn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 01:24:21PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Saturday, July 24, 2010 00:24:46 -0600 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: When this is the way someone starts a discussion about wanting to use a new OS, I tend to believe there is no genuine interest in using the OS in question. When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. I am therefore left to wonder who really is the intolerant one. One cannot claim to be tolerant while demonstrating intolerance any more than one can claim to be educated without every having read a book. How perspicacious of you. I'll quote myself basically saying exactly that -- that I am not particularly interested in dialog with someone who, I'm sure, has already made up his or her mind: In any case, I didn't claim to be tolerant. In fact, I very specifically said I was sure someone would accuse me of intolerance, and went on to explain that I am guilty of intolerance of those who are intolerant themselves. Why are you just repeating what I have said, but in the tone of an accusation? How intolerant are *you* today? Not all education comes from books, by the way (though I personally have read many, many books, and quite enjoy the activity of reading). While I normally prefer to take an inclusive approach to dealing with people who run into obstacles in their approach to thinking about OSes, there are cases where I simply feel the urge to throw my hands in the air and giving up on someone. Such cases are those where it seems likely that some kind of closed-minded idolatry (which is exactly what this is: taking a cartoony mascot as some kind of Manifest Presence of a supernatural, superhuman Force, Principle, or Being) is going on. Either you will get over it, or you will not, and it is only a very faint hope that pointing out the ludicrousness of your objection that compels me to respond at all. Is that clear enough for you? It's amazing to me the ridicule heaped upon the man for asking a question. Would it have been too difficult to simply answer the question, as the first response did? No, we have to attack the man for having beliefs that are different from our own. Because we're so enlightened? Or because we are even more ignorant than we suppose he is? I *did* answer the question before heaping ridicule on someone who, as I stated, I believe had already made up his or her mind, and had no genuine interest in dialog in the first place. My attack, by the way, had *zero* to do with anyone's beliefs being different from my own -- as you might have noticed if you bothered to read and understand what I said. Skimming it for excuses to accuse me of religious intolerance doesn't work as well as you might think. You're a self-righteous git, and probably personally offended by the appearance of an attack on Christianity (which is never what was intended, nor even what happened, at least in the case of the specific email to which you replied). Try stepping back, reading more closely, and responding to what was *actually* said. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpnGbdXUbzFM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 05:53:30PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Monday, July 26, 2010 14:06:17 -0700 David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Mon, July 26, 2010 11:24 am, Paul Schmehl wrote: When this is the way one answers a simple question, I tend to believe there's no genuine interest in dialog. Well, I hate to break it to you, but people who are trying to make a religious point aren't interested in dialog, anyway. In fact, it's pretty well impossible to have a dialog with them that gets anywhere. You can't have a sensible debate when the other person's fallback response is always it's god's will, so it's beyond our understanding and we can't question it, and you're an evil person for not agreeing with me. These people have been taught from a young age that logic is evil and will lead them down the road to hell, so logical arguments are lost on them. The assumptions and bias in that statement are so broad as to defy description. There appeared to be a fair bit of assumption and bias in your response to me, as well. Pot, kettle, et cetera. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpYY4PB4YHFj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: BSD logo
On 7/26/10, Glenn Sieb ges+li...@wingfoot.org wrote: On 7/26/10 8:01 PM, Polytropon wrote: ,ggg, nd spotteth twice they the system before dP8I the fifth version, and so, the Programmers dP 88 went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath, dP88 by Shell Ethra Joygalion, to the house of ,8'88 Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola, he who brought the d better list to Kerneygham and the tank pool __ ,8 88 to the house of Ritchomon, and there slew dP ,8P Y8 they the list messages, yea, and placed they Yb,_,dP `8b, the bits in little bit buckets. Here endeth Y8P `Y8 the lesson. (Pal 8:256) *clap*clap*clap*clap*clap*clap* Well done, sir. :) Best, --Glenn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org Good one, but how about creation? http://www.pi.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/creation.html Cheers! Antonio ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:22:21 -0500, Neal Hogan nealho...@gmail.com wrote: No . . . not you . . . Polytropon! The end of the world must be coming (Revelations-1.0). Do *NOT* tempt me. Okay, you did. And this is what will happen: It turns this thread into a bottomless pit of nonsense, but well, you asked for it. :-) ,ggg, nd spotteth twice they the system before dP8I the fifth version, and so, the Programmers dP 88 went Forth to RAM Gilead in Kernel Bilgemath, dP 88 by Shell Ethra Joygalion, to the house of ,8' 88 Gash-Bernars-Lee-Bazola, he who brought the d better list to Kerneygham and the tank pool __ ,8 88 to the house of Ritchomon, and there slew dP ,8P Y8 they the list messages, yea, and placed they Yb,_,dP `8b, the bits in little bit buckets. Here endeth Y8P `Y8 the lesson. (Pal 8:256) Amen P.S. -- Please, let's not get into the proper pronounciation of this as well ;-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be. FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti- authoritarian, after all. This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti- authoritarian for His time. That's what got Him crucified, no? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 12:57:14AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: Personally, I like the devilish association, however indirect it may be. FreeBSD is somewhat counter-cultural and anti- authoritarian, after all. This discussion has drifted badly OT, but I feel compelled to point out that Christ Himself was very counter-cultural and anti- authoritarian for His time. That's what got Him crucified, no? You got it. Not that I think FreeBSD using a counter-cultural mascott image qualifies as a Christ act. But, who knows. jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
Hi, On Saturday 24 July 2010 10:01:07 Victor Skovorodnikov wrote: This may sound strange but I have a question about logo. Why such a logo for BSD? What is the meaning of that logo? I have always been thinking of trying FreeBSD but as a Christian I get deterred by its un-Christian logo. Have you considered changing it to something else? Doesn't have to be an angel, but perhaps something neutral ;-) ? do we none christians ask you to change the offending stuff related to this religion? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 03:47:25PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: Actually, daemon is a Latinization of the Greek daimon. Daimon is pronounced something more like die-mahn, but (being from the Latin) daemon is prounounced dee-mohn. Unix tradition holds that daemon is pronounced similarly to the Latin fashion (in practice, roughly like dee-muhn by English speakers). I guess that depends on which period of Latin one studies. From Latin Pronunciation Demystified: http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf ae like English ai in aisle Which is how I pronounce ae in Latin. On the other hand, I've always pronounced daemon like day-mohn, probably from hearing Jon Pertwee pronounce it that way in the Doctor Who episode The Dæmons. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 5:11 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:33 AM, Alejandro Imass wrote: I am not a religious man myself, but if the logo had any religious meaning to me I am sure I could better understand Victor's issues. Seems silly, but if it was the other way around I'm sure _many_ people here would probably concur in the discomfort of using an OS who's logo was some sort of religion symbol, say a Christian Cross, Egyptian Ankh, David Star, Muslim Moon, or a Satanic Encircled Five Point Star. Well, to me it's about intent. I doubt the FreeBSD logo was picked with the intent of sticking a thumb in the eye of anyone religious. I also think it's pretty clear it wasn't picked by someone who identified with Satanism. On the other hand, if someone uses a Jesus Fish or a cross as a logo, they're usually trying to make a political point. *That* would make me uncomfortable -- not the symbol itself, but the sentiment I knew was behind it. Precisely my point. But it's hard to overcome our judgements in order to evaluate a problem 'objectively', because there is no such thing per se in philosophical matters, but rather it's the more subjective points of view you have, the more objective you become. So my point in all this is that at first it sounds really hilarious from the modern/western science-man perspective (the general population of the project and this mailing list), but as you stated previously we would immediately react to a symbol if that symbol to us represented an intention/sentiment/political statement _regardless_ of the actual intention. Suppose for a moment that BSD would have forked to FBSD first in the East, say by a group of Indian Buddhist computer science students, and their choice of logo was a funny cartoon of a smiling Buddha holding a Swastika above it's head. The intention here would matter little to the common Jew, as he would probably feel immediately uncomfortable regardless if he knew what the Buddha was, or that the Swastika is a sacred Buddhist symbol. He would just see a semi-naked fat Nazi. Even if he knew all these things it would still make him somewhat uncomfortable of using this great technology. Again, my intention to butt in here was just to point out that many times we find things hilarious, a simple analogy can help us better understand that it may very serious to others, such is life though, and the 'others' should also make an effort to understand us. Sadly, our judgements almost always get in the way of seeing beyond each other's myopic viewpoint. Back to the issue at hand (and actually on-topic), I personally don't like the circle with cones and don't think that FBSD should move away from the little red Devil or Daemon or whatever you wanna call it (does he have a name?). In _my_ judgment, for example, the circle with cones looks like some sort of sexual fetish, but then again we're all free to interpret it as we like, and who am I, as a relative newcomer to FBSD to form an opinion anyway :) Best, Alejandro Imass ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BSD logo
On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Alejandro Imass wrote: Suppose for a moment that BSD would have forked to FBSD first in the East, say by a group of Indian Buddhist computer science students, and their choice of logo was a funny cartoon of a smiling Buddha holding a Swastika above it's head. The intention here would matter little to the common Jew, as he would probably feel immediately uncomfortable regardless if he knew what the Buddha was, or that the Swastika is a sacred Buddhist symbol. He would just see a semi-naked fat Nazi. Even if he knew all these things it would still make him somewhat uncomfortable of using this great technology. Here's the thing . . . The jesus fish (or holy mackerel or Ichthys or whatever you want to call it) has no variance of meaning across cultures, when it contains the Greek letters ΙΧΘΥΣ -- because it really only exists within one extended cultural family. Its meaning is clear. I'm not aware of any other meaning for the mere intersecting-arcs fish symbol itself, without the Greek letters, either -- but I wouldn't necessarily jump to any conclusions about it without trying to look it up and, failing that, asking about it (with clear reference to the fact that I tried and failed to look up any meanings aside from the obvious). Meanwhile, swastikas have many meanings, in many cultures. They have different meanings from the Nazi usage in parts of Asia, North America, and even in Germany itself. The Nazis got it *somewhere* you know; they didn't invent it. Context matters. I'd think a devout Christian would have much more reason to complain about a Flying Spaghetti Monster (whose only purpose is to mock mystical belief systems) than a Daemon, and that an Orthodox Jew would have much more reason to complain about SS lightning bolts than a non-diagonal swastika held aloft by a smiling Buddha. Considering we now have the Internet at our disposal, I'm not terribly inclined to give a lot of leeway to people who ask for symbols like a Buddhist swastika to be changed without having gone to the minimal trouble to look it up on Wikipedia. In truth, even the Hakenkreuz (the swastika variant the Nazis use) is not strictly negative in meaning; it was a Germanic folk symbol before it was misappropriated by the Nazis, and it has not *lost* that previous meaning just because it has gained strong negative associations to those who do not know its full history. Place it in a white circle on a red field, though, and as far as I'm concerned you have every right to be disturbed to see it associated with something you might otherwise like -- because that is quite clearly a Nazi-specific context. The same goes for the Nazi Party's parteiadler, depicting a stylized eagle atop a wreathed hakenkreuz. Again, my intention to butt in here was just to point out that many times we find things hilarious, a simple analogy can help us better understand that it may very serious to others, such is life though, and the 'others' should also make an effort to understand us. Sadly, our judgements almost always get in the way of seeing beyond each other's myopic viewpoint. The fact that someone misunderstands something that can be double-checked with trivial effort (far less effort than complaining on this mailing list), and uses that misunderstanding to justify complaints and trying to convince someone to change a mascot with years of history, seems in no way justified to me. For me, the key difference is not anyone's biases, per se -- it's willful ignorance, which I am never inclined to justify or excuse, in principle. Back to the issue at hand (and actually on-topic), I personally don't like the circle with cones and don't think that FBSD should move away from the little red Devil or Daemon or whatever you wanna call it (does he have a name?). In _my_ judgment, for example, the circle with cones looks like some sort of sexual fetish, but then again we're all free to interpret it as we like, and who am I, as a relative newcomer to FBSD to form an opinion anyway :) The mascot's name is Beastie (roughly homonymous with BSD). Of course, Beastie is *not* actually a FreeBSD symbol, per se: he's a BSD Unix symbol in general. The first sentence of the Wikipedia page for Beastie (Mascot) says The BSD daemon, nicknamed Beastie, is the generic mascot of BSD operating systems.[1] The sex toy logo doesn't do anything for me, but it is at least a FreeBSD-specific symbol, and I guess I'm willing to suffer the indignity of having a kind of dumb, largely meaningless symbol, if it means FreeBSD actually gets a symbol at all. My biggest complaint with the sex toy symbol is that it doesn't lend itself easily to simplification a logo really should. Basically, if it isn't easily well-represented in a 16px monochrome presentation, it should be rethought, in my opinion. It has been made official, though, and I'm not sure the problems I've identified are sufficient
