Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-18 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Charles Howse cho...@charter.net writes:

 Mainly, it's curiosity.  I know-fer-a-fact I saw a list of physical
 locations back when 4.x was the latest release.  Probably been
 deleted.

Certainly wouldn't be accurate any more.

The server CNAMEs get shifted around from time to time, generally when
the machine hosting one gets retired.

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Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Charles Howse

Hi,
Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location of the  
U.S. cvsup servers?



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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Don Read
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:50:46 -0500 Charles Howse said:

 Hi,
 Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location of the  
 U.S. cvsup servers?
 
 

Not physical, but by wire time:

localhost# fastest_cvsup -c us

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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Bertrand
Don Read wrote:
 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:50:46 -0500 Charles Howse said:
 
 Hi,
 Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location of the  
 U.S. cvsup servers?


 
 Not physical, but by wire time:
 
 localhost# fastest_cvsup -c us

...and for those in Canada:

# fastest_cvsup -c ca,us

The cvsup.ca.FreeBSD.org server has been the server with least latency
for me for months (given I always test against US and CA). Props to the
ops at Cogeco.

Steve
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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Charles Howse


On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:


Don Read wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:50:46 -0500 Charles Howse said:


Hi,
Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location of  
the

U.S. cvsup servers?




Not physical, but by wire time:

localhost# fastest_cvsup -c us


Nope...looking for city,state.
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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread A.J. Fonz van Werven
Charles Howse wrote:

 How fast do you have to go to keep up with the sun so you're never in  
 darkness?

Oh, and my answer to that question would be pi/43200 radians per second.

Alphons (sorry, couldn't resist)

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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Bertrand
Charles Howse wrote:
 
 On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
 
 Don Read wrote:
 On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:50:46 -0500 Charles Howse said:

 Hi,
 Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location of the
 U.S. cvsup servers?



 Not physical, but by wire time:

 localhost# fastest_cvsup -c us
 
 Nope...looking for city,state.

Unless you can communicate directly with the people who manage the
server, that is not an easy task.

You will have to consult whois for the routing information, and then,
even still the results may be inaccurate, as IP space allocated to
someone in Orlando Florida may be using some of their space in Dallas
Texas. Neat little tricks such as MPLS could have you make one hop
across the country while you think you are still in one local city.

What do you want to achieve? fastest_cvsup will tell you addressing of
the servers. You will have to contact those responsible for the IPs to
see where they are located to ensure any form of accuracy regarding
geo-location.

Steve
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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Charles Howse


On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:


Charles Howse wrote:


On Mar 17, 2009, at 7:31 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:


Don Read wrote:

On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:50:46 -0500 Charles Howse said:


Hi,
Can anyone point me to a link that shows the physical location  
of the

U.S. cvsup servers?




Not physical, but by wire time:

localhost# fastest_cvsup -c us


Nope...looking for city,state.



What do you want to achieve? fastest_cvsup will tell you addressing of
the servers. You will have to contact those responsible for the IPs to
see where they are located to ensure any form of accuracy regarding
geo-location.


Mainly, it's curiosity.  I know-fer-a-fact I saw a list of physical  
locations back when 4.x was the latest release.  Probably been deleted.


fastest_cvsup usually tells me #17 is fastest, but it times out a lot,  
I mean A LOT, from here.


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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Steve Bertrand
Charles Howse wrote:
 
 On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:

 What do you want to achieve? fastest_cvsup will tell you addressing of
 the servers. You will have to contact those responsible for the IPs to
 see where they are located to ensure any form of accuracy regarding
 geo-location.
 
 Mainly, it's curiosity.  I know-fer-a-fact I saw a list of physical
 locations back when 4.x was the latest release.  Probably been deleted.
 
 fastest_cvsup usually tells me #17 is fastest, but it times out a lot, I
 mean A LOT, from here.

Fastest, (in this case) != most reliable.

Can you produce the output of fastest_cvsup, include the top two results
(add #17 if it isn't included), and then provide the output of a
traceroute to #17?

Perhaps you have a faulty asymmetric path to 17...

It is important to know that just because a server may be literally
located at the building across the street, it doesn't mean that you are
guaranteed a path that may not cross the country (and in some
situations, across an ocean) and back.

I don't know where you are located, but generally, I've found cvsup8 to
be extremely quick (in terms of latency) and very reliable for a number
of years.

Steve
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Re: Physical location of cvsup servers

2009-03-17 Thread Charles Howse


On Mar 17, 2009, at 9:31 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:


Charles Howse wrote:


On Mar 17, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:


What do you want to achieve? fastest_cvsup will tell you  
addressing of
the servers. You will have to contact those responsible for the  
IPs to

see where they are located to ensure any form of accuracy regarding
geo-location.


Mainly, it's curiosity.  I know-fer-a-fact I saw a list of physical
locations back when 4.x was the latest release.  Probably been  
deleted.


fastest_cvsup usually tells me #17 is fastest, but it times out a  
lot, I

mean A LOT, from here.


Fastest, (in this case) != most reliable.

Can you produce the output of fastest_cvsup, include the top two  
results

(add #17 if it isn't included), and then provide the output of a
traceroute to #17?


r...@curly /root# fastest_cvsup -c us
  Querying servers in countries: us
-- Connecting to cvsup.us.freebsd.org [198.104.69.57]...
* error: connect: timeout
-- Connecting to cvsup2.us.freebsd.org [130.94.149.166]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 62.86 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup3.us.freebsd.org [128.31.0.28]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 55.50 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup4.us.freebsd.org [204.152.184.73]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 90.92 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup5.us.freebsd.org [208.83.20.166]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 81.31 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup6.us.freebsd.org [216.14.98.190]...
* error: connect: timeout
-- Connecting to cvsup7.us.freebsd.org [128.205.32.60]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 67.65 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup8.us.freebsd.org [216.165.129.134]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 68.22 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup9.us.freebsd.org [128.205.32.21]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 66.51 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup10.us.freebsd.org [69.147.83.48]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 97.16 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup11.us.freebsd.org [63.87.62.77]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 50.68 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup12.us.freebsd.org [128.46.156.46]...
* error: connect: timeout
-- Connecting to cvsup13.us.freebsd.org [216.32.84.70]...
* error: connect: Invalid argument
-- Connecting to cvsup14.us.freebsd.org [216.87.87.128]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 119.39 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup15.us.freebsd.org [35.9.37.225]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 57.43 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup16.us.freebsd.org [128.143.108.35]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 63.13 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup17.us.freebsd.org [65.212.71.21]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 34.74 ms
-- Connecting to cvsup18.us.freebsd.org [128.205.32.60]...
- server replied: OK 17 0 SNAP_16_1h CVSup server ready
- time taken: 61.17 ms

  Speed Daemons:
- 1st: cvsup17.us.freebsd.org   34.74 ms
- 2st: cvsup11.us.freebsd.org   50.68 ms
- 3st: cvsup3.us.freebsd.org55.50 ms

For some reason, traceroute has never worked on any of my *nix boxes.
There are s many reasons that might cause that.  Too many to go  
into, but mostly the way I set up my lan, the router settings and  
options, etc.


I have 2 FreeBSD, a Mac, and an XP machine.
On the XP machine, tracert times out after 12 hops, however the ip did  
resolve to.

THE WEATHER CHANNEL - ncvsup.twc.waether.com
That in itself may be reason enough for the timeouts...?




Perhaps you have a faulty asymmetric path to 17...

It is important to know that just because a server may be literally
located at the building across the street, it doesn't mean that you  
are

guaranteed a path that may not cross the country (and in some
situations, across an ocean) and back.

I don't know where you are located, but generally, I've found cvsup8  
to
be extremely quick (in terms of latency) and very reliable for a  
number

of years.


I'm in Central West Tennessee.



Steve


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