Re: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-16 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Sep 6, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Johan Hendriks wrote:


Do not go for the adaptec 1210!


That was not one of the choices given.  The ARC-1210 is a different  
device from a different  manufacturer -- Areca.


Chad


I have the same model, and it always give errors on /dev/ad6

First I thought it was the drive itself but after swapping that one  
with  another one still /dev/ad6 errors.

Also swapping ad4 to ad6 /dev/ad6 errors out and freezes the system.

Long story short  it is an unstable product under FreeBSD Current  
and 6.x


I use a 3ware card now and no problems what so ever.


Regards,
Johan


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RE: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-07 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maxim Khitrov
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:15 PM
> To: brad davison
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML
> 
> 
> On 9/5/07, brad davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >My two main candidates are Areca ARC-1210, and 3ware 9650SE-4LPML.
> > >Both are 4-lane SATA II controllers. Both cost about the same, and
> > >from what I gather, both should be supported by FreeBSD. I read the
> > >reviews, but would like to get some additional feedback specifically
> > >for using the two under FreeBSD (maybe one has better drivers... I
> > >don't know).
> >
> > I just put a 3ware Escalade into our mail server.  I don't have 
> experience
> > with the model you are speaking of, but I know that 3ware and BSD have a
> > good long history together.  I had no problems with the 
> controller (but I
> > did have a strange issue with some Seagate drives, replacing them with
> > Western Digitals fixed that though.)
> >
> > >RAID5? Which one has more mature drivers? If you have some other
> > >recommendations, I'm happy to hear those as well.
> >
> > Like I mentioned, I had no problems with the 3ware, and it had 
> good driver
> > support in BSD.
> >
> > from the 3ware website:::  http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-Support.asp
> > 9650SE Series
> >
> > * FreeBSD 5.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
> > * FreeBSD 6.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
> > * FreeBSD 6.1 (x86 & x86_64)
> >
> > Take it easy,
> > Brad
> 
> Good to know, thanks. Would still like to know a bit more about Areca,
> since I have no experience with them and only heard about their
> products recently.
> 
> As an alternative, I was considering the cheap(er) option. The
> motherboard (GA-P35-DQ6) comes with 6 SATA II ports connected to
> ICH9R. I have a feeling that using RAID 5 with this option would be
> rather slow, that's why I'm looking into a dedicated hardware
> controller. However, RAID 10 is a fairly simple implementation. I
> can't use RAID 0 because I need redundancy, and RAID 1 is too slow.
> RAID 10 obviously requires more drives, but for the $300 that I would
> have spent on the controller, maybe instead it's worth to simply buy
> an additional drive or two and use the built-in controller.
> 
> Any thoughts on this? I could probably get 4 320GB Seagate 7200.10
> drives to begin with and have 640GB of space. Would add two more later
> on when I need them. This actually turns out to be cheaper initially
> than getting 3 of those drives along with a hardware controller. My
> guess is that performance may also be better due to simplicity of
> design. How does FreeBSD play with ICH9R RAID?
> 

I think if you want speed using 7200 rpm drives that your kidding
yourself.  Keep in mind if you do anything on an internal psuedo
controller that is fancier than plain mirroring, if you lose a disk
your risking ending up with a server that all the kings horses and
all the kings men couldn't put back together again. (without reformatting)

To do it right you need a hardware controller and at least 6 spindles,
plus you need to buy another drive that sits on your shelf in it's
antistatic wrapper - ready to be swapped in on the day your controller
reports a spindle is dead.

Ted

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RE: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-06 Thread Johan Hendriks
Do not go for the adaptec 1210!
I have the same model, and it always give errors on /dev/ad6 

First I thought it was the drive itself but after swapping that one with  
another one still /dev/ad6 errors.
Also swapping ad4 to ad6 /dev/ad6 errors out and freezes the system.

Long story short  it is an unstable product under FreeBSD Current and 6.x

I use a 3ware card now and no problems what so ever.


Regards,
Johan


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Re: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-05 Thread Wojciech Puchar

I'm building a new workstation for myself, which will primarily run
FreeBSD 7.0+ and possibly dual-boot with Win XP for gaming. I'd like
to have at least a terabyte of redundant disk storage (probably
RAID5), so I'm trying to figure out which controller would give me the
best results.


simply use no raid+software raid
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Re: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-05 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On 9/5/07, brad davison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Hello,
> >
> >My two main candidates are Areca ARC-1210, and 3ware 9650SE-4LPML.
> >Both are 4-lane SATA II controllers. Both cost about the same, and
> >from what I gather, both should be supported by FreeBSD. I read the
> >reviews, but would like to get some additional feedback specifically
> >for using the two under FreeBSD (maybe one has better drivers... I
> >don't know).
>
> I just put a 3ware Escalade into our mail server.  I don't have experience
> with the model you are speaking of, but I know that 3ware and BSD have a
> good long history together.  I had no problems with the controller (but I
> did have a strange issue with some Seagate drives, replacing them with
> Western Digitals fixed that though.)
>
> >RAID5? Which one has more mature drivers? If you have some other
> >recommendations, I'm happy to hear those as well.
>
> Like I mentioned, I had no problems with the 3ware, and it had good driver
> support in BSD.
>
> from the 3ware website:::  http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-Support.asp
> 9650SE Series
>
> * FreeBSD 5.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
> * FreeBSD 6.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
> * FreeBSD 6.1 (x86 & x86_64)
>
> Take it easy,
> Brad

Good to know, thanks. Would still like to know a bit more about Areca,
since I have no experience with them and only heard about their
products recently.

As an alternative, I was considering the cheap(er) option. The
motherboard (GA-P35-DQ6) comes with 6 SATA II ports connected to
ICH9R. I have a feeling that using RAID 5 with this option would be
rather slow, that's why I'm looking into a dedicated hardware
controller. However, RAID 10 is a fairly simple implementation. I
can't use RAID 0 because I need redundancy, and RAID 1 is too slow.
RAID 10 obviously requires more drives, but for the $300 that I would
have spent on the controller, maybe instead it's worth to simply buy
an additional drive or two and use the built-in controller.

Any thoughts on this? I could probably get 4 320GB Seagate 7200.10
drives to begin with and have 640GB of space. Would add two more later
on when I need them. This actually turns out to be cheaper initially
than getting 3 of those drives along with a hardware controller. My
guess is that performance may also be better due to simplicity of
design. How does FreeBSD play with ICH9R RAID?

- Max
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RE: RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-05 Thread brad davison






Hello,

My two main candidates are Areca ARC-1210, and 3ware 9650SE-4LPML.
Both are 4-lane SATA II controllers. Both cost about the same, and
from what I gather, both should be supported by FreeBSD. I read the
reviews, but would like to get some additional feedback specifically
for using the two under FreeBSD (maybe one has better drivers... I
don't know).


I just put a 3ware Escalade into our mail server.  I don't have experience 
with the model you are speaking of, but I know that 3ware and BSD have a 
good long history together.  I had no problems with the controller (but I 
did have a strange issue with some Seagate drives, replacing them with 
Western Digitals fixed that though.)



RAID5? Which one has more mature drivers? If you have some other
recommendations, I'm happy to hear those as well.


Like I mentioned, I had no problems with the 3ware, and it had good driver 
support in BSD.


from the 3ware website:::  http://www.3ware.com/support/OS-Support.asp
9650SE Series

   * FreeBSD 5.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
   * FreeBSD 6.0 driver source available in 9.4.1 code set
   * FreeBSD 6.1 (x86 & x86_64)

Take it easy,
Brad

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RAID Controller Recommendations: ARC-1210 or 9650SE-4LPML

2007-09-05 Thread Maxim Khitrov
Hello,

I'm building a new workstation for myself, which will primarily run
FreeBSD 7.0+ and possibly dual-boot with Win XP for gaming. I'd like
to have at least a terabyte of redundant disk storage (probably
RAID5), so I'm trying to figure out which controller would give me the
best results.

My two main candidates are Areca ARC-1210, and 3ware 9650SE-4LPML.
Both are 4-lane SATA II controllers. Both cost about the same, and
from what I gather, both should be supported by FreeBSD. I read the
reviews, but would like to get some additional feedback specifically
for using the two under FreeBSD (maybe one has better drivers... I
don't know).

I plan to get Gigabyte's GA-P35-DQ6 motherboard (btw, any
compatibility issues I should know about?), which has a 4x PCIe slot.
ARC-1210 uses 8x, but since the physical size of the slot is actually
16x, there shouldn't be a problem. Don't think the controller will be
able to use 2GB/s of bandwidth to its limit anyway.

So that's basically my setup. I'd like to know if anyone here has
personal experience with either controller. Are there any stability
issues? Which one would give me best performance with 4 drives in
RAID5? Which one has more mature drivers? If you have some other
recommendations, I'm happy to hear those as well.

Thanks,
Maxim Khitrov
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