RE: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-26 Thread Yehonatan Yossef
> > > > > > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and
> > > > >
> > > > > I could use
> > > > >
> > > > > > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as
> > >
> > > netconsole
> > >
> > > > > > on Linux).
> > > > >
> > > > > Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
> > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-ha
> > > > > ndbook/kerneldebug.html
> > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kern
> > > > > elconfig.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel 
> panics and 
> > > > > you're not setup for crash dumps, or anything that could help 
> > > > > you diagnose the panic.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Mel
> > > >
> > > > I've setup the dumpdev/dumpdir and I get a vmcore image
> > >
> > > upon a crash.
> > >
> > > > I don't really understand how to use kgdb in order to read
> > >
> > > it but more
> > >
> > > > than that - I don't need that much of data. I only want 
> the dmesg 
> > > > report at the moment, see at what point my driver went
> > >
> > > crazy. Is it possible?
> > >
> > >
> > > Uhm, no. Fundamental logic flaw: when a kernel is 
> stopped, you can't 
> > > issue userland commands. All you have when you use ddb, is the 
> > > contents of the registers, ram and backtrace.
> > >
> > > You really want ddb in the kernel: when a kernel panics, 
> it'll drop 
> > > to ddb and you can examine registers and do a backtrace, 
> instead of 
> > > dumping core and rebooting. It should point exactly to where your 
> > > driver went crazy.
> > > --
> > > Mel
> >
> > I meant making the dmesg log sent over the network/serial 
> console to a 
> > linux machine. I just found out about syslogd, I'm trying to figure 
> > out how to use it.
> > DDB sounds like a great option for deeper debugging, I'll use it.
> 
> Ooh, sorry, totally got your question wrong.
> Serial should really be the way to go. But it depends when 
> you load your driver. If your driver panics the kernel before 
> it gets to loading syslogd, there may not be much sent.
> You could help this by not loading the network interface on 
> bootup, but via cron instead, so that you're sure syslogd is 
> up and running when you load the driver. Of course this 
> assumes a working main network interface and that the driver 
> isn't loaded automatically by /boot/loader.conf.
> --
> Mel
> 

Thanks Mel, DDB is a great help.



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RE: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-26 Thread Tom Evans
On Mon, 2008-02-25 at 15:41 +0200, Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> I'm looking into the syslogd capabilities at the moment, it might be
> enough.
> I've tried following the serial console setup you've pointed, but when I
> added the 'console="comconsole"' to loader.conf the OS hanged during
> boot time, had to re-install the system.
> 
> I'm currently porting Mellanox ethernet driver, InfiniBand will be
> probably next. Mail me outside this list if you're interested in
> InfiniBand.
> 

The OS probably didnt hang, you told it to send all its output to
comconsole (ie serial port) and not display anything. This might look as
though it has hung. Try (in /boot/loader.conf):

  boot_multicons="YES"
  console="vidconsole,comconsole"

to output to both of them. Also, set the correct tty on your serial
console with something like (in /etc/ttys):

ttyd0   "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600"   vt100   off secure

There will be a ttyd0 line already.

All of this is in the various handbooks.

Cheers

Tom



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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Dieter
> I'm looking into the syslogd capabilities at the moment, it might be
> enough.
> I've tried following the serial console setup you've pointed, but when I
> added the 'console=3D"comconsole"' to loader.conf the OS hanged during
> boot time, had to re-install the system.

I assume the info you need is not getting captured in /var/log?

Perhaps your system needs a firmware setting changed to use a RS-232 console?

I assume it is not waiting for a control line, e.g. carrier detect, to go high?

Some systems have buggy firmware and still read from the ps2 keyboard
even though they are printing to the RS-232 console.

If all else fails there is the aim a video camera at the screen method.  :-(
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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Mel
On Monday 25 February 2008 14:44:28 Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> > On Monday 25 February 2008 13:32:01 Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> > > > > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and
> > > >
> > > > I could use
> > > >
> > > > > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as
> >
> > netconsole
> >
> > > > > on Linux).
> > > >
> > > > Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
> > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-ha
> > > > ndbook/kerneldebug.html
> > > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kern
> > > > elconfig.html
> > > >
> > > > Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel panics and
> > > > you're not setup for crash dumps, or anything that could help you
> > > > diagnose the panic.
> > > > --
> > > > Mel
> > >
> > > I've setup the dumpdev/dumpdir and I get a vmcore image
> >
> > upon a crash.
> >
> > > I don't really understand how to use kgdb in order to read
> >
> > it but more
> >
> > > than that - I don't need that much of data. I only want the dmesg
> > > report at the moment, see at what point my driver went
> >
> > crazy. Is it possible?
> >
> >
> > Uhm, no. Fundamental logic flaw: when a kernel is stopped,
> > you can't issue userland commands. All you have when you use
> > ddb, is the contents of the registers, ram and backtrace.
> >
> > You really want ddb in the kernel: when a kernel panics,
> > it'll drop to ddb and you can examine registers and do a
> > backtrace, instead of dumping core and rebooting. It should
> > point exactly to where your driver went crazy.
> > --
> > Mel
>
> I meant making the dmesg log sent over the network/serial console to a
> linux machine. I just found out about syslogd, I'm trying to figure out
> how to use it.
> DDB sounds like a great option for deeper debugging, I'll use it.

Ooh, sorry, totally got your question wrong.
Serial should really be the way to go. But it depends when you load your 
driver. If your driver panics the kernel before it gets to loading syslogd, 
there may not be much sent.
You could help this by not loading the network interface on bootup, but via 
cron instead, so that you're sure syslogd is up and running when you load the 
driver. Of course this assumes a working main network interface and that the 
driver isn't loaded automatically by /boot/loader.conf.
-- 
Mel
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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Eygene Ryabinkin
Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:41:03PM +0200, Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> I'm looking into the syslogd capabilities at the moment, it might be
> enough.

Syslog can die too early to spot everything.  But your mileage may vary.

> I've tried following the serial console setup you've pointed, but when I
> added the 'console="comconsole"' to loader.conf the OS hanged during
> boot time, had to re-install the system.

You mean that nothing were seen on the other end of the serial cable?
I had not used serial console in FreeBSD for a while, so maybe others
can tell if the Handbook is still correct?

And if the only change that was made to make the OS hang was the
change in the loader.conf, then you could just use LiveFS CD and
edit loader.conf at your system -- there is no point in wasting
time reinstalling the whole system.
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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Eygene Ryabinkin
Yehonatan, good day.

Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:28:12AM +0200, Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> I'm a freebsd newbee, trying to port an ethernet driver from Linux to
> FreeBSD 6.3.
> I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and I could use a
> tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as netconsole on
> Linux).

May be serial console will help you?
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialconsole-setup.html

Out of curiosity: are you porting some InfiniBand drivers to FreeBSD?
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RE: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Yehonatan Yossef
> On Monday 25 February 2008 13:32:01 Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> > > > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and
> > >
> > > I could use
> > >
> > > > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as 
> netconsole 
> > > > on Linux).
> > >
> > > Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
> > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-ha
> > > ndbook/kerneldebug.html
> > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kern
> > > elconfig.html
> > >
> > > Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel panics and 
> > > you're not setup for crash dumps, or anything that could help you 
> > > diagnose the panic.
> > > --
> > > Mel
> >
> > I've setup the dumpdev/dumpdir and I get a vmcore image 
> upon a crash.
> >
> > I don't really understand how to use kgdb in order to read 
> it but more 
> > than that - I don't need that much of data. I only want the dmesg 
> > report at the moment, see at what point my driver went 
> crazy. Is it possible?
> 
> 
> Uhm, no. Fundamental logic flaw: when a kernel is stopped, 
> you can't issue userland commands. All you have when you use 
> ddb, is the contents of the registers, ram and backtrace.
> 
> You really want ddb in the kernel: when a kernel panics, 
> it'll drop to ddb and you can examine registers and do a 
> backtrace, instead of dumping core and rebooting. It should 
> point exactly to where your driver went crazy.
> --
> Mel
> 

I meant making the dmesg log sent over the network/serial console to a
linux machine. I just found out about syslogd, I'm trying to figure out
how to use it.
DDB sounds like a great option for deeper debugging, I'll use it.

Yony
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RE: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Yehonatan Yossef
I'm looking into the syslogd capabilities at the moment, it might be
enough.
I've tried following the serial console setup you've pointed, but when I
added the 'console="comconsole"' to loader.conf the OS hanged during
boot time, had to re-install the system.

I'm currently porting Mellanox ethernet driver, InfiniBand will be
probably next. Mail me outside this list if you're interested in
InfiniBand.

Yehonatan Yossef
Mellanox Technologies INC
Office: +972-4-9097200 ext. 301 
Cell: +972-54-2345031 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 

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> To: Yehonatan Yossef
> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
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> Subject: Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3
> 
> Yehonatan, good day.
> 
> Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:28:12AM +0200, Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> > I'm a freebsd newbee, trying to port an ethernet driver 
> from Linux to 
> > FreeBSD 6.3.
> > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and 
> I could use 
> > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as netconsole on 
> > Linux).
> 
> May be serial console will help you?
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/seri
> alconsole-setup.html
> 
> Out of curiosity: are you porting some InfiniBand drivers to FreeBSD?
> --
> Eygene
> 
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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Mel
On Monday 25 February 2008 13:32:01 Yehonatan Yossef wrote:
> > > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and
> >
> > I could use
> >
> > > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as netconsole on
> > > Linux).
> >
> > Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-ha
> > ndbook/kerneldebug.html
> > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kern
> > elconfig.html
> >
> > Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel panics
> > and you're not setup for crash dumps, or anything that could
> > help you diagnose the panic.
> > --
> > Mel
>
> I've setup the dumpdev/dumpdir and I get a vmcore image upon a crash.
>
> I don't really understand how to use kgdb in order to read it but more
> than that - I don't need that much of data. I only want the dmesg report
> at the moment, see at what point my driver went crazy. Is it possible?


Uhm, no. Fundamental logic flaw: when a kernel is stopped, you can't issue 
userland commands. All you have when you use ddb, is the contents of the 
registers, ram and backtrace.

You really want ddb in the kernel: when a kernel panics, it'll drop to ddb and 
you can examine registers and do a backtrace, instead of dumping core and 
rebooting. It should point exactly to where your driver went crazy.
-- 
Mel
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RE: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Yehonatan Yossef
> > I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and 
> I could use 
> > a tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as netconsole on 
> > Linux).
> 
> Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-ha
> ndbook/kerneldebug.html
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kern
> elconfig.html
> 
> Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel panics 
> and you're not setup for crash dumps, or anything that could 
> help you diagnose the panic.
> --
> Mel

I've setup the dumpdev/dumpdir and I get a vmcore image upon a crash.

I don't really understand how to use kgdb in order to read it but more
than that - I don't need that much of data. I only want the dmesg report
at the moment, see at what point my driver went crazy. Is it possible?

Yony
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Re: Capturing dmesg upon system crash on 6.3

2008-02-25 Thread Mel
On Monday 25 February 2008 10:28:12 Yehonatan Yossef wrote:

> I'm facing a system reboot upon loading of the driver, and I could use a
> tool for capturing dmesg upon system crash (such as netconsole on
> Linux).

Your kernel isn't setup for driver development:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/developers-handbook/kerneldebug.html
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig.html

Basically, your system is rebooting cause the kernel panics and you're not 
setup for crash dumps, or anything that could help you diagnose the panic.
-- 
Mel
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