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small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. 486 hardware with three NICs, a CF drive, and run off of a few watts of DC power tend not to free. that's the adventage. but edimax 6104K router with 5 ethernets running netbsd is both cheaper smaller and faster with it's 175Mhz 2 instr/cycle MIPS CPU. 16MB RAM+2MB flash isn't much but enough to fit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? In all seriousness, if you want to roll your own based on FreeBSD, I have a couple of these units that I've been testing internally with that run FreeBSD off of a thumb drive. They are being used to test the Quality of Quagga's implementation of BGP, and seem to run very well. I haven't gone as far to really test them for pps or throughput yet, but they hold up well, no moving parts, not much more $ than a decent whitebox, and much smaller. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Steve Bertrand wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? In all seriousness, if you want to roll your own based on FreeBSD, I have a couple of these units that I've been testing internally with that run FreeBSD off of a thumb drive. Darn it, I forgot to send the link: http://www.mikrotikrouter.com Using the thumb drive allows me to swap out router configs quickly, without having to open the box up. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On May 29, 2008, at 1:36 AM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: that's the adventage. but edimax 6104K router with 5 ethernets running netbsd is both cheaper smaller and faster with it's 175Mhz 2 instr/cycle MIPS CPU. 16MB RAM+2MB flash isn't much but enough to fit. I will keep that in mind the next time I need to build or recommend or purchase such a device. I wasn't aware that you could get NetBSD with enough usable tools on 2MB, but I see that now. Thank you, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ability to route several C-class networks through multiple incoming fiber connections using BGP4, including VLAN support ... we're trying to keep the DC as 'FreeBSD centric' as we can, which is why the interest in someone like Juniper vs going with Cisco ... - --On Wednesday, May 28, 2008 09:55:07 +0200 Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? define what enterprise level router is - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg/WWEACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvONuACgwwegEBBMKq0oXsySdz4cjSX/ V5IAoJXia1wjfxgFgztnJ8WRTQzv/B8l =ZBFL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? define what enterprise level router is - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? :) Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FreeBSD? define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? so get 486, 16MB RAM, needed amount of network cards, install FreeBSD and configure :) (pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bob McConnell writes: define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? so get 486, 16MB RAM, needed amount of network cards, install FreeBSD and configure :) (pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. Six slots X quad-port network cards = 24 interfaces. If you need more than that, it's probably worth investing in specialized hard-/software. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Huff Bob McConnell writes: define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? so get 486, 16MB RAM, needed amount of network cards, install FreeBSD and configure :) (pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. Six slots X quad-port network cards = 24 interfaces. If you need more than that, it's probably worth investing in specialized hard-/software. Robert Huff Where did you find a box with six slots? Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 09:51:35AM -0400, Bob McConnell wrote: From: Robert Huff Bob McConnell writes: define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? so get 486, 16MB RAM, needed amount of network cards, install FreeBSD and configure :) (pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. Six slots X quad-port network cards = 24 interfaces. If you need more than that, it's probably worth investing in specialized hard-/software. Robert Huff Where did you find a box with six slots? Motherboards (in standard ATX format) with six PCI slots are not all that difficult to find. If you include PCI-E and PCI-X in 'PCI' it is even easier, but there certainly exist ones with six normal 32-bit/33MHz PCI slots as well. Today it is not very common, but if you look at older socketA boards it was actually fairly common. (The Asus A7V8X-X is one example of such a board, but there were several others.) (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wojciech Puchar define what enterprise level router is Something that doesn't say 'Vista capable' on the box? so get 486, 16MB RAM, needed amount of network cards, install FreeBSD and configure :) (pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jerry B. Altzman On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. YMMV, HTH, HAND. I don't need that many Ethernet ports, but I do need most of those PCI slots. I was unable to locate a box with more than four slots and a warranty that was acceptable to our Production group. I'm still not sure about the warranty or that we can buy it in a case with power supply. But at least I have a vector to resume my search. Thanks, Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:31:24AM -0400, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. YMMV, HTH, HAND. Yep, and if you do buy a whole bunch of quad-port NICs for your PC, then the whole system will probably end up costing quite a bit. It might even turn out to be cheaper to get a real router instead. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. YMMV, HTH, HAND. Erik Trulsson //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbaltz.com foo mane padme hum ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:31:24AM -0400, Jerry B. Altzman wrote: And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. Yep, and if you do buy a whole bunch of quad-port NICs for your PC, then the whole system will probably end up costing quite a bit. It might even turn out to be cheaper to get a real router instead. I don't know about that: Intel quad gigE cards are $250/pop on eBay; Sun qfe cards are a tenth of that price. Have you priced Vendor C or Vendor J routers recently? If you're building a *switch*, you are still price competitive with the bigger vendors. Oh yeah, this is all ONLY for passing ethernet; if you've got other layer-1 technologies to integrate, you're in for a surprise, too. Erik Trulsson //jbaltz -- jerry b. altzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.jbaltz.com foo mane padme hum ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bob McConnell wrote: I don't need that many Ethernet ports, but I do need most of those PCI slots. I was unable to locate a box with more than four slots and a warranty that was acceptable to our Production group. I'm still not sure about the warranty or that we can buy it in a case with power supply. These guys have a 2 or 4 port nic for $100: http://www.soekris.com/lan16x1.htm Try Ebay for the Adaptec ANA-6944-TX. It's a 4 port based on the old DEC chipset (de driver) Usual can be had for = $10. This is a good article on some free-ware packages you might like to start from: http://www.fsckin.com/2007/11/14/7-different-linuxbsd-firewalls-reviewed/ -R ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:38 PM To: Matthew Donovan Cc: Marc G. Fournier; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... On Tue, 27 May 2008 22:28:35 -0400, Matthew Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:56:55PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? Juniptor makes routers based on freebsd. Sorry for the spelling really it's incorrect for the company name but you can just look up theri site if you want to pay for it really good from what I have heard. The correct spelling of the name is 'Juniper'. You are right of course. Juniper develops high-end routers. They're very very good at it too :) They are very expensive. A Juniper is not based on FreeBSD. It uses FreeBSD as the control interface. The actual routing happens in specialized ASICS that Juniper custom-builds. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry B. Altzman Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:31 AM To: Erik Trulsson Cc: Bob McConnell; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Putting a total of 6 quad-port NICs on a single PCI-bus would totally swamp that bus though, so if one were to actually use so many NICs I would rather recommend e.g. the Asus P5BP-E/4L motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 3 PCI-E slots in addition to the four gigabit LAN ports included on the motherboard - so you can get a total of 28 ports if you fully populate all slots with quad-port NICs (not counting any USB-connected ethernet ports one might add.) It also has built-in graphics so one does not need to waste one slot on a graphics card.) And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might actually be on to something, there, and that ASICs might actually be worth what you paid for them. If it's purely ethernet-to-ethernet routing, and a lot of ethernet ports, then he should check into the layer-3 switches on the market and see if they will work for him. Much cheaper than a real router Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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(pentium may be needed for full 100Mb/s capability) Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. not true. 5 PCI slots isn't uncommon+ISA slots. ISA slot is OK for video card (easy to find in scraps ;). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Finding a box with that enough PCI slots might be problematic. Six slots X quad-port network cards = 24 interfaces. If you need more than that, it's probably worth investing in specialized hard-/software. Robert Huff Where did you find a box with six slots? in older ones - quite common. in new machines it's a problem, not old ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And all this just to *pass packets*; if you're making real *routing* decisions based upon that (i.e. you're making a router rather than a switch), which requires that packets take a trip to the CPU, you'll packet headers find yourself coming to the realization that Cisco and Juniper might for 10Gbe ports - yes. for lower speed no. YMMV, HTH, HAND. I don't need that many Ethernet ports, but I do need most of those PCI slots. I was unable to locate a box with more than four slots and a warranty that was acceptable to our Production group. I'm still not sure about the warranty or that we can buy it in a case with power supply. But at least I have a vector to resume my search. Thanks, Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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These guys have a 2 or 4 port nic for $100: http://www.soekris.com/lan16x1.htm Try Ebay for the Adaptec ANA-6944-TX. It's a 4 port based on the old DEC chipset (de driver) Usual can be had for = $10. but prepare for problems connecting this with other devices. usually works well with switches, but not with everything. speed negotiation is broken. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They are very expensive. A Juniper is not based on FreeBSD. It uses FreeBSD as the control interface. The actual routing happens in specialized ASICS that Juniper custom-builds. good for multiple gigabits traffic or more. for lower speed - not worth of. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On May 28, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Rob wrote: These guys have a 2 or 4 port nic for $100: http://www.soekris.com/lan16x1.htm For small and medium sized enterprises that really just need firewall, NAT, static routing and are fine with 100Mb ether on the router, I've been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall http://m0n0.ch/wall/ or pfsense http://www.pfsense.com/ both FreeBSD based. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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For small and medium sized enterprises that really just need firewall, NAT, static routing and are fine with 100Mb ether on the router, I've been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall http://m0n0.ch/wall/ or pfsense http://www.pfsense.com/ both FreeBSD based. small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: On May 28, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Rob wrote: These guys have a 2 or 4 port nic for $100: http://www.soekris.com/lan16x1.htm For small and medium sized enterprises that really just need firewall, NAT, static routing and are fine with 100Mb ether on the router, I've been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall NETASQ firewalls also uses FreeBSD on their devices. But, the the question was routers. I don't know if NETASQ has routers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wojciech Puchar wrote: been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. No it's not, they consume electricity. Soekris boxes are designed for low-power. I had a 4501 and now have a 5501. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On May 28, 2008, at 3:08 PM, Wojciech Puchar wrote: For small and medium sized enterprises that really just need firewall, NAT, static routing and are fine with 100Mb ether on the router, I've been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. 486 hardware with three NICs, a CF drive, and run off of a few watts of DC power tend not to free. But of course a free 486 box may very well fit your needs. Cheers, -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tom Van Looy wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. No it's not, they consume electricity. Soekris boxes are designed for low-power. I had a 4501 and now have a 5501. And, other than in hobbyist's private networks and things built with volunteer labor, there are generally labor costs. Rummaging in the junk pile can get pretty expensive if you have to pay somebody to do it --Jon Radel smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jon Radel Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 5:24 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD based router ... Tom Van Looy wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: been happy with using soekris net48XX boxes using m0n0wall small but expensive. used 486-pentium hardware is for free. No it's not, they consume electricity. Soekris boxes are designed for low-power. I had a 4501 and now have a 5501. And, other than in hobbyist's private networks and things built with volunteer labor, there are generally labor costs. Rummaging in the junk pile can get pretty expensive if you have to pay somebody to do it That really depends on both the organization and the worker and what their job is and a lot of other things. For example, I manage people at an ISP. Their jobs are to run the network and answer customer support calls. If they are doing their jobs then the ISP runs well and we don't get many support calls. Thus some of their time they will be sitting idle. I don't adjust their job descriptions to permanently increase the amount of work they do because I don't want them tied up doing more work when a customer does call for support, and also because it is punishing them for doing a good job in the first place. Yet I don't want them sitting around playing computer games while they are waiting for a support call, either. In this case, if they are working on building some junk computer into a router then it is not critical work that they cannot set down immediately at any time if a customer calls. Yet it also keeps them busy and out of trouble, and contributes something to the business. And it teaches them something so their brains don't rot. My labor costs are going to be the same whether they are resurrecting some old PC or whether they are sitting twiddling their thumbs, so now please explain to me how it is that I am incurring expense paying someone to rummage in a junk pile? And there are also the cases of the government organizations who have money budgeted to upgrades but not capital expenses, and every expense over $500 must be justified to the nth degree. In those organizations you can spend $2K USD without seeking second level approval if you write a series of PO's for under $500 each, getting a hard disk on one, a power supply on another, a motherboard on a third, etc. But if you try to simply buy a PC all put together for less money you will get it slapped down. Dilbert even had a series of cartoons about this, one of the few series I've read that I didn't think was funny, as it simply described reality for a lot of people. So, yeah, there are a lot of organizations that do not function nice and neat like it says they should in the MBA courses. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:56:55PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Juniptor makes routers based on freebsd. Sorry for the spelling really it's incorrect for the company name but you can just look up theri site if you want to pay for it really good from what I have heard. pgpTorZjMCfFM.pgp Description: PGP signature
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That would be Juniper On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Matthew Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:56:55PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. ( http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Juniptor makes routers based on freebsd. Sorry for the spelling really it's incorrect for the company name but you can just look up theri site if you want to pay for it really good from what I have heard. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD based router ...
On Tue, 27 May 2008 22:28:35 -0400, Matthew Donovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:56:55PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? Juniptor makes routers based on freebsd. Sorry for the spelling really it's incorrect for the company name but you can just look up theri site if you want to pay for it really good from what I have heard. The correct spelling of the name is 'Juniper'. You are right of course. Juniper develops high-end routers. They're very very good at it too :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD based router ...
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of anyone make an enterprise level router based off of FreeBSD? - -- Marc G. FournierHub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkg8u+cACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMF8wCg25K5IaX4/DIHk8KFIAfKXe/b decAoOqllLM7c6ty7wwXcwuPlEk/xSo6 =O+GR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Where are you heading with your question? I'm in the middle of putting together a router with a white box and 3 NICs (onboard, add-in Intel, and a Sangoma A301), doing BGP4 with a DS3 and a T1. It'll be running FreeBSD 7.0, and probably OpenBGP or quagga. I'm having to learn the BGP stuff from scratch, but I've got people to put questions to, including the ISPs. I suppose, though, that this doesn't meet your definition of 'enterprise level'. Kurt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
