Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Ekrem
On Sat, 2003-09-27 at 10:49, Siegbert Baude wrote:
> >>What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
> >>and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
> >>able to get at the data.
> 
> > If my understanding of vmware is correct that shouldn't work, couldn't work.
> > Vmware is just an x86 emulator which sits on top of windows, the OS working
> > in VMware should be unaware that it is running in an emulator and shouldn't
> > have direct access to any of the host computer's resources.  If the host system 
> > is unable to mount a file system then the operating system in vmware should
> > also be unable to mount it. First because it is unaware that it exists and
> > second because vmware uses the host system's resources and anything which is
> > inaccessible to the host system would also be inaccessible to the emulated
> > system.
> 
> It is possible, as VMWare allows the guest systems direct access to the 
> disks. I did complete buildworlds within VMWare on the same file system 
> I use, when I boot FBSD directly.
> There is also generic SCSI-Support which allows access to SCSI-devices 
> for the guest system.
> 
> Ciao
> Siegbert
> 
> ___

I was also successful with something similar to this.
I used a trial version of vmware for win nt some years ago,
and I was able to boot and use FreeBSD from a 2nd hard disk.

I had originally installed that particular FreeBSD as standalone
on a spare PC using its standard UFS filesystem.

Ekrem


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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Siegbert Baude
What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
able to get at the data.

If my understanding of vmware is correct that shouldn't work, couldn't work.
Vmware is just an x86 emulator which sits on top of windows, the OS working
in VMware should be unaware that it is running in an emulator and shouldn't
have direct access to any of the host computer's resources.  If the host system 
is unable to mount a file system then the operating system in vmware should
also be unable to mount it. First because it is unaware that it exists and
second because vmware uses the host system's resources and anything which is
inaccessible to the host system would also be inaccessible to the emulated
system.
It is possible, as VMWare allows the guest systems direct access to the 
disks. I did complete buildworlds within VMWare on the same file system 
I use, when I boot FBSD directly.
There is also generic SCSI-Support which allows access to SCSI-devices 
for the guest system.

Ciao
Siegbert
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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Andrew L. Gould
On Friday 26 September 2003 04:51 pm, Timms, Simon wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Kennaway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:41 PM
> To: Adam McLaurin
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Windows.
>
> >On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:32:40PM -0400, Adam McLaurin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:17, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> >> > That won't help the OP.  He's asking how to access a FreeBSD UFS _on
> >> > the same computer_ while running Windows.  Unless you can purchase a
> >> > Windows UFS driver somewhere out there, this is not possible.  The
> >> > recommended way to share files from FreeBSD to Windows on a dual-boot
> >> > OS is to use a FAT partition which can be mounted on both OSes.
> >>
> >> What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
> >> and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
> >> able to get at the data.
> >
> >Yeah, that might work.
> >
> >Kris
>
> If my understanding of vmware is correct that shouldn't work, couldn't
> work. Vmware is just an x86 emulator which sits on top of windows, the OS
> working in
> VMware should be unaware that it is running in an emulator and shouldn't
> have
> direct access to any of the host computer's resources.  If the host system
> is unable to mount a file system then the operating system in vmware should
> also be unable to mount it. First because it is unaware that it exists and
> second because vmware uses the host system's resources and anything which
> is inaccessible to the host system would also be inaccessible to the
> emulated system.
>

Actually, I worked around that problem once running Win98 via Virtual PC on 
Mac OS X on an iBook.  I had to network the operating systems using 2 
ethernet ports.  The looped cable made my ibook look funny; but MS Access 
could link to the databases in OS X via ODBC through the connection.  Samba 
shouldn't be any different.

Each operating system had a different ethernet interface configured to the 
same network so they can communicate with each other.  Since Win98 insisted 
on recognizing both ethernet interfaces at bootup, the Win98 side of the 
ethernet interface used by OS X had to be configured to a different network.  
Clear as mud?

Have fun,

Andrew Gould
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RE: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Timms, Simon
-Original Message-
From: Kris Kennaway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:41 PM
To: Adam McLaurin
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD in Windows.


>On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:32:40PM -0400, Adam McLaurin wrote:
>> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:17, Kris Kennaway wrote:
>> > That won't help the OP.  He's asking how to access a FreeBSD UFS _on
>> > the same computer_ while running Windows.  Unless you can purchase a
>> > Windows UFS driver somewhere out there, this is not possible.  The
>> > recommended way to share files from FreeBSD to Windows on a dual-boot
>> > OS is to use a FAT partition which can be mounted on both OSes.
>> 
>> What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
>> and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
>> able to get at the data.
>
>Yeah, that might work.
>
>Kris

If my understanding of vmware is correct that shouldn't work, couldn't work.
Vmware is just an x86 emulator which sits on top of windows, the OS working
in 
VMware should be unaware that it is running in an emulator and shouldn't
have 
direct access to any of the host computer's resources.  If the host system 
is unable to mount a file system then the operating system in vmware should
also be unable to mount it. First because it is unaware that it exists and
second because vmware uses the host system's resources and anything which is
inaccessible to the host system would also be inaccessible to the emulated
system.


 

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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:32:40PM -0400, Adam McLaurin wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:17, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> > That won't help the OP.  He's asking how to access a FreeBSD UFS _on
> > the same computer_ while running Windows.  Unless you can purchase a
> > Windows UFS driver somewhere out there, this is not possible.  The
> > recommended way to share files from FreeBSD to Windows on a dual-boot
> > OS is to use a FAT partition which can be mounted on both OSes.
> 
> What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
> and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
> able to get at the data.

Yeah, that might work.

Kris


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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Adam McLaurin
On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 17:17, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> That won't help the OP.  He's asking how to access a FreeBSD UFS _on
> the same computer_ while running Windows.  Unless you can purchase a
> Windows UFS driver somewhere out there, this is not possible.  The
> recommended way to share files from FreeBSD to Windows on a dual-boot
> OS is to use a FAT partition which can be mounted on both OSes.

What about installing vmware (on XP), then install FreeBSD in vmware,
and mounting it that way? Maybe a lot of trouble, but at least he'd be
able to get at the data.

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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:54:11PM +0200, dick hoogendijk wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:45:26 +0400
> Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All!!!
> > 
> >   I have a hard disk driver which has FreeBSD OS and has BSD file
> >   system.
> >   I can't read/write FreeBSD HDD from Windows OS of course.
> >   How can I do it
> >   I want to use hdd which has BSD FS in My Windows XP.
> 
> Install a samba server on the freebsd machine.

That won't help the OP.  He's asking how to access a FreeBSD UFS _on
the same computer_ while running Windows.  Unless you can purchase a
Windows UFS driver somewhere out there, this is not possible.  The
recommended way to share files from FreeBSD to Windows on a dual-boot
OS is to use a FAT partition which can be mounted on both OSes.

Kris


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Re: FreeBSD in Windows.....

2003-09-26 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:45:26 +0400
Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All!!!
> 
>   I have a hard disk driver which has FreeBSD OS and has BSD file
>   system.
>   I can't read/write FreeBSD HDD from Windows OS of course.
>   How can I do it
>   I want to use hdd which has BSD FS in My Windows XP.

Install a samba server on the freebsd machine.

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