Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. I don't remember seeing any bootonly.iso in what is offered under any of the regular directory trees on the main ftp.freebsd.org site. Maybe the mini.iso contains more than just /stand/sysinstall, but it still needs ftp access to do a complete install - or another CD. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-b ootonly.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-m iniinst.iso OK. Guess it's new. I was only considering = 4.xxx I haven't gotten to 5.xxx yet. I need another machine and much more time. jerry -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: Jerry McAllister On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. I don't remember seeing any bootonly.iso in what is offered under any of the regular directory trees on the main ftp.freebsd.org site. Maybe the mini.iso contains more than just /stand/sysinstall, but it still needs ftp access to do a complete install - or another CD. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-b ootonly.iso ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/5.2.1-RELEASE-i386-m iniinst.iso -Dan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. I don't remember seeing any bootonly.iso in what is offered under any of the regular directory trees on the main ftp.freebsd.org site. Maybe the mini.iso contains more than just /stand/sysinstall, but it still needs ftp access to do a complete install - or another CD. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
Felt a need to clarify this; flame me where I'm wrong Jerry McAllister wrote: Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. This doesn't sound correct at all. What you've described is what the _floppies_ do. They boot and run sysinstall and get you to the 'Net for FTP setup. The mini ISO gives you the minimal install. That is, the root stuff (/, etc, bin, sbin, stand, and /usr/sbin, /usr/bin, the gnu and otherwise contributed base, and /var (cron files and so on) No. What about systems without floppies? After running sysinstall from the mini ISO, you should be able to have a working system without accessing the 'Net. However, that simply means that you can use the CLI to go further, and most everyone will want to. You may be able to get a very minimal system, but you must get everything else (as you list below) via ftp. So, I may have underestimated the amount of minimal stuff on the mini-iso, but the principle is the same. You burn a mini-iso to do an install via ftp over the net. If you have a floppy drive and want to use floppies, you can do that just as easily. There is no ports skeleton installed, no ports tarballs, no documentation, no packages, no compat, no X, just good old ls, cat, grep, tar, etc. and a few editors (vi, ed, ee) ... As close as you'll get to a GUI with the mini ISO and no net connection is the sysinstall program itself. You just burn the MINI-ISO directly to CD and boot from it - no other manipulation of the file such as trying to uncompress it or make a bootable file system. It is all already there as is.. Yes...IIRC, there can be some issues if the burn tool you're using doesn't speak the correct lingo. If that's the case, you'll likely not boot from it OR do any further installation. You burn the CD, boot it, do the preliminary stuff and then when selecting install media, choose ftp and then pick a site that is convenient from the list and it handles all the rest. If you have a good high speed net connection - at a university or something, it takes less than an hour. As I said, not necessary until you get around to something not listed above. See my earlier post on my strategy for this. You barely have a system at that level - at least not what we generally think of as real server or development environments. jerry As for the speed, that's probably true. But the full ISO #1 was 5-6 hours over T1 last I checked (and trusting the telco's word that it was really a T1 --- I was skeptical after seeing that estimate) Well, I never download the full iso #1 or #2 because it works well via ftp. /jrm Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 10:01:11AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: You burn the CD, boot it, do the preliminary stuff and then when selecting install media, choose ftp and then pick a site that is convenient from the list and it handles all the rest. If you have a good high speed net connection - at a university or something, it takes less than an hour. As I said, not necessary until you get around to something not listed above. See my earlier post on my strategy for this. You barely have a system at that level - at least not what we generally think of as real server or development environments. jerry Perhaps, and we're now to the point of pointless discussion; these facts are self-evident and we're basically agreeing, but you do have the base system. If you read these code words in any FreeBSD documentation, the base system refers to just what's on the mini-ISO. If nothing else, we should remind people of that fact. Now, for an httpd server, you're quite right; at the very minimum you'd need to fetch a tarball and go the old tar, ./configure, make make install, but I'd argue a tad that you can very well call a base FreeBSD system a real server as it is quite possible to run a mail/ftp/ntp/shell(ssh, telnet, rsh) box with nothing more than a mini-ISO disk. I don't run my servers with just that software, because I can't afford to use one box for mail, another for http, etc.,; but it's a viable installation alternative. If I grab a full ISO for, say, 5.2, the source and docs for that will be outdated before very long. If I just install base and then cvsup my docs/source/ports, I can have cutting edge in a rather short time and a quicker download in the first place. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:51:17 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. I don't remember seeing any bootonly.iso in what is offered under any of the regular directory trees on the main ftp.freebsd.org site. ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/5.2.1/ Perhaps you were only looking in the 4.x branches which do not have a bootonly.iso . Maybe the mini.iso contains more than just /stand/sysinstall, but it still needs ftp access to do a complete install - or another CD. Not really. All the bits to install the FreeBSD operating system are on there. If, by complete install, you mean XFree86 with KDE/Gnome/etc, then yes, you need another disc: disc1.iso. Which was exactly what I was pointing out to the original poster. Even that will not have an abundance of 3rd party applications due to space limitations. Most people do not consider the 3rd party applications as part of FreeBSD as an operating system although it is agreed that most people will also be installing and using many 3rd party applications. I've contacted the FreeBSD Release Engineering and requested that information about the contents of each disc be added to the release announcement. They think this is a good idea and will see about doing that for future releases. And, thanks to Chris for bringing this up so that we can make our documentation/information more helpful. Best regards, Randy -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
I downloaded the mini FreeBSD for this little pc i have, but im not sure what files to put on cd. Could you please give me a hand? the attached pic is what was unziped. Thank you -Chris No attached PIC. It depends on your intent and the amount of disk space you have - also on how fast your internet connection is. I normally install everything including source. But, there are several items that select an appropriate subset for that choice. So, minimal installation selects just what you need to get a basic server with no X running. You can add X if you want. I suggest that you at least install a standard system with X and ports. But, if you have enough disk space - at least 3 GB free, more is better, just select everything. Then you can play more later. If you do that, make sure either /usr is big - at least 1.5 GB or that you move and link /usr/local and /usr/ports to something in your larger space before doing anything with ports or X desktops. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
Jerry McAllister wrote: I downloaded the mini FreeBSD for this little pc i have, but im not sure what files to put on cd. Could you please give me a hand? the attached pic is what was unziped. Thank you -Chris No attached PIC. Yup. Maybe it was stripped automagically --- that'd actually be a Good Thing(TM), IMO. It depends on your intent and the amount of disk space you have - also on how fast your internet connection is. I normally install everything including source. Another strategy: choose minimal from sysinstall(8) and get it over with quickly, then: 1. Reboot, run /stand/sysinstall again, and use it to install the cvsup-no-gui package. 2. Cvsup your source tree. 3. Run a make buildworld cycle. I haven't timed this out, but it *seems* faster ... maybe 'cause I'm running steps instead of just watching sysinstall download the whole OS Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:20:59 + Chris wrote: (reformatted for 72 characters per line or less) I downloaded the mini FreeBSD for this little pc i have, but im not sure what files to put on cd. Could you please give me a hand? the attached pic is what was unziped. Thank you -Chris Hi Chris, All attachments are stripped from emails to the list so no one will see them. The mini-iso is a bootable disc which contains the files for a base installation; however, they do not contain any packages such as window managers or XFree86. If you are expecting to install a graphical environment, you will need to use the full iso. Only the first disc is required. The iso discs are bootable and contain the installer. There is no need to manually copy any files to your hard drive. Before you start, I would suggest that you review the installation instructions at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html This should answer most if not all of your questions. And, of course, Welcome to FreeBSD! Best regards, Randy -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:20:59 + Chris wrote: (reformatted for 72 characters per line or less) I downloaded the mini FreeBSD for this little pc i have, but im not sure what files to put on cd. Could you please give me a hand? the attached pic is what was unziped. Thank you -Chris Hi Chris, All attachments are stripped from emails to the list so no one will see them. The mini-iso is a bootable disc which contains the files for a base installation; however, they do not contain any packages such as window managers or XFree86. If you are expecting to install a graphical environment, you will need to use the full iso. Only the first disc is required. Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. You just burn the MINI-ISO directly to CD and boot from it - no other manipulation of the file such as trying to uncompress it or make a bootable file system. It is all already there as is.. You burn the CD, boot it, do the preliminary stuff and then when selecting install media, choose ftp and then pick a site that is convenient from the list and it handles all the rest. If you have a good high speed net connection - at a university or something, it takes less than an hour. If you have a slow net connection, then you will want CD 1 and maybe 2 which allow you to load everything from CD. Still, you just burn the ISO files directly to CDs and boot the first one. Then you select CD as the install media. If, by what you select to install, it needs the second one, it will ask for it. jerry The iso discs are bootable and contain the installer. There is no need to manually copy any files to your hard drive. Before you start, I would suggest that you review the installation instructions at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html This should answer most if not all of your questions. And, of course, Welcome to FreeBSD! Best regards, Randy -- ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
Felt a need to clarify this; flame me where I'm wrong Jerry McAllister wrote: Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. This doesn't sound correct at all. What you've described is what the _floppies_ do. They boot and run sysinstall and get you to the 'Net for FTP setup. The mini ISO gives you the minimal install. That is, the root stuff (/, etc, bin, sbin, stand, and /usr/sbin, /usr/bin, the gnu and otherwise contributed base, and /var (cron files and so on) After running sysinstall from the mini ISO, you should be able to have a working system without accessing the 'Net. However, that simply means that you can use the CLI to go further, and most everyone will want to. There is no ports skeleton installed, no ports tarballs, no documentation, no packages, no compat, no X, just good old ls, cat, grep, tar, etc. and a few editors (vi, ed, ee) ... As close as you'll get to a GUI with the mini ISO and no net connection is the sysinstall program itself. You just burn the MINI-ISO directly to CD and boot from it - no other manipulation of the file such as trying to uncompress it or make a bootable file system. It is all already there as is.. Yes...IIRC, there can be some issues if the burn tool you're using doesn't speak the correct lingo. If that's the case, you'll likely not boot from it OR do any further installation. You burn the CD, boot it, do the preliminary stuff and then when selecting install media, choose ftp and then pick a site that is convenient from the list and it handles all the rest. If you have a good high speed net connection - at a university or something, it takes less than an hour. As I said, not necessary until you get around to something not listed above. See my earlier post on my strategy for this. As for the speed, that's probably true. But the full ISO #1 was 5-6 hours over T1 last I checked (and trusting the telco's word that it was really a T1 --- I was skeptical after seeing that estimate) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need assitance installin FreeBSD
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:42:04 -0500 (EST) Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Actually, I think the intention of the MINI-ISO is to boot and run the installation with everything loaded from one of the ftp sites. I believe you're thinking of the bootonly.iso (21MB) which is just the boot/sysinstall stuff. The miniinst.iso (245M) contains all the files for the base system allowing one to do a base install (no XFree86 and no packages). Of course, you can use the miniinst.iso to just boot and then do an FTP install. I was trying to point out to Chris that if he was expecting a desktop to be installed with the miniinst.iso that it wouldn't be on the disc. This is real handy if you do not want any of the default desktops (KDE, Gnome, etc) offered and prefer to build your choices after installation; however, most new users start off one of the defaults on the disc1.iso. snip If you have a slow net connection, then you will want CD 1 and maybe 2 which allow you to load everything from CD. Still, you just burn the ISO files directly to CDs and boot the first one. Then you select CD as the install media. If, by what you select to install, it needs the second one, it will ask for it. The last time I checked, disc2 was the live filesystem/recovery disc and didn't contain any packages. I looked around the website, but I couldn't find the document which describes the content of those discs. I thought we had such a thing at one point in time. It would be nice if that were part of the documents on the main website bulleted for the releases. Best regards, Randy -- There's no .sig like no .sig ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
