Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Of course it depends on your apps, but unless you're doing some HUGE number of connections, or your apps are not good, this will be MORE than enough RAM and CPU. (...) Maybe turn this into a virtual host and make some use of that hardware, or just be happy using it at 5% capacity. ... or run some instances of Plone on it. Should be enough to keep it busy and out of the idle thread even at moderate traffic. ;-) G -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
Quoting C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Of course it depends on your apps, but unless you're doing some HUGE number of connections, or your apps are not good, this will be MORE than enough RAM and CPU. (...) Maybe turn this into a virtual host and make some use of that hardware, or just be happy using it at 5% capacity. ... or run some instances of Plone on it. Should be enough to keep it busy and out of the idle thread even at moderate traffic. ;-) I agree but somehow my extra resources (memory, disk, cpu, etc.) always seem to find sponges in a short period of time. This may be the exception. thanks ed G -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 4:53 PM, eculp ec...@encontacto.net wrote: Quoting C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws: On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Of course it depends on your apps, but unless you're doing some HUGE number of connections, or your apps are not good, this will be MORE than enough RAM and CPU. (...) Maybe turn this into a virtual host and make some use of that hardware, or just be happy using it at 5% capacity. ... or run some instances of Plone on it. Should be enough to keep it busy and out of the idle thread even at moderate traffic. ;-) I agree but somehow my extra resources (memory, disk, cpu, etc.) always seem to find sponges in a short period of time. This may be the exception. It's certainly no exception. Programs tend to expand over time, and when they expand, they tend to use up more time as well. Since space and time complexity of programs are closely linked to and bounded by each other, a corollary to Murphy's Law: Any given program will expand to fill all the available memory. is, of course, Any given program will expand to use up all available CPU cycles. I'm half-joking though. Anyway, I'm sure you'll put that new machine to great use! thanks ed -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:31:05 -0500, ec...@encontacto.net wrote: In addition to having no information on the CPU as a server lack of comfort with 6 cores and memory 8GB of memory that I am having a problem with. I am not a gamer but I have always assumed that a gaming machine needs the most aggressive hardware. I have also seen this processor with 12 GB rather than 8 which, in my ignorance sounds better. I have /basically/ the same machine at home I use as my FreeBSD and occasionally gaming machine with 12GB of RAM. It runs FreeBSD *very* well. If you care a lot about stability though the downside is that it's not server class hardware, no ECC RAM, etc. But for a machine with a lot of cores and memory -- have at it! Cheers, Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Mark Felder f...@feld.me wrote: On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:31:05 -0500, ec...@encontacto.net wrote: In addition to having no information on the CPU as a server lack of comfort with 6 cores and memory 8GB of memory that I am having a problem with. I am not a gamer but I have always assumed that a gaming machine needs the most aggressive hardware. I have also seen this processor with 12 GB rather than 8 which, in my ignorance sounds better. I have /basically/ the same machine at home I use as my FreeBSD and occasionally gaming machine with 12GB of RAM. It runs FreeBSD *very* well. If you care a lot about stability though the downside is that it's not server class hardware, no ECC RAM, etc. But for a machine with a lot of cores and memory -- have at it! Cheers, Mark Thanks, Mark. I see you have 12G. I'm totally ignorant on the distribution of memory for the 6 cores if there is such a thing. Is it advantageous to have a multiple of 6 when ordering memory? (12, 18, 24) As far as stability is concerned for a webserver, I don't see it as a major concern. I'm sure some of my older machines of the last 15 years were less stable even though they all had ECC, raid, etc. Please correct me if I am wrong. My perspective from Mexico, I'm sure is very different than if I were in the US or Europe, etc. Thanks, ed ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
Of course it depends on your apps, but unless you're doing some HUGE number of connections, or your apps are not good, this will be MORE than enough RAM and CPU. Yes, generally speaking more of something is always better, in fact our government seems to think more debt is better than less. However, if you're web apps only need xGB of RAM and y MIPS; what benefit is it to have n * x RAM and n * y MIPS? Maybe turn this into a virtual host and make some use of that hardware, or just be happy using it at 5% capacity. G -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of eculp Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:31 AM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer. I just saw this box that is being promoted as a gaming machine at a great price and am considering it as a web-server. In addition to having no information on the CPU as a server lack of comfort with 6 cores and memory 8GB of memory that I am having a problem with. I am not a gamer but I have always assumed that a gaming machine needs the most aggressive hardware. I have also seen this processor with 12 GB rather than 8 which, in my ignorance sounds better. Any opinions and guidance are appreciated. Thanks, ed I will be running 9.0 on this as I am already doing on one of my web-servers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote: Of course it depends on your apps, but unless you're doing some HUGE number of connections, or your apps are not good, this will be MORE than enough RAM and CPU. Yes, generally speaking more of something is always better, in fact our government seems to think more debt is better than less. However, if you're web apps only need xGB of RAM and y MIPS; what benefit is it to have n * x RAM and n * y MIPS? Maybe turn this into a virtual host and make some use of that hardware, or just be happy using it at 5% capacity. G Thanks Gary. I've been thinking about the virtual host idea and have some extra IP's so that might be fun. Traditionally when I renovate one may personal servers, I have them running at 5-20% capacity and within a year, I usually have figured out ways to put most all to use. The price difference between a minimal design and something like this usually not significant. So this is sounding more and more like a go. Have a great day, ed -Original Message- From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of eculp Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:31 AM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer. I just saw this box that is being promoted as a gaming machine at a great price and am considering it as a web-server. In addition to having no information on the CPU as a server lack of comfort with 6 cores and memory 8GB of memory that I am having a problem with. I am not a gamer but I have always assumed that a gaming machine needs the most aggressive hardware. I have also seen this processor with 12 GB rather than 8 which, in my ignorance sounds better. Any opinions and guidance are appreciated. Thanks, ed I will be running 9.0 on this as I am already doing on one of my web-servers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org font size=1 div style='border:none;border-bottom:double windowtext 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in 1.0pt 0in' /div This email is intended to be reviewed by only the intended recipient and may contain information that is privileged and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, use, dissemination, disclosure or copying of this email and its attachments, if any, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. /font ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
Gary Gatten writes: Yes, generally speaking more of something is always better, in fact our government seems to think more debt is better than less. However, if you're web apps only need xGB of RAM and y MIPS; what benefit is it to have n * x RAM and n * y MIPS? It is my understanding surplus RAM will be allocated to file-caching. Whether this benefits your particular application set I would have no idea. Respectfully, Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Opinion on using AMD Phenom II x6 1090t with Gigabyte 890BPA-UD3H and 8GB DDR-3 as a WebServer.
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:47:09 -0500, Edwin L. Culp W. wrote: The price difference between a minimal design and something like this usually not significant. So this is sounding more and more like a go. Allow me a short addition: Gaming machines usually put no emphasize on energy efficiency. This means power consumption of several hundred Watts, up to more than 1000, is quite possible. Keep in mind that _running_ a machine also adds up to the price - see TCO. Especially CPUs and GPU are cost-intensive, but hard disks also seem to be. For use as a server, it's typical to assume that the machine will run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, as long as it fails. You can easily calculate those costs and put them into relation with older systems that only consume 150 Watts. :-) But aside, I agree with the suggestion of utilizing the 95% unused system capacity for virtual hosts or other means. Make the system more efficient than a light bulb. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
