RE: Which Release to Download?
Dear Sir, I am a computer engineer and I want to learn the FreeBSD OS, and I do not have the FreeBSD software and when I have tried to download the FreeBSD software form your website, I found two Releases one called New Technology Release: 5.2.1 and the other called Production Release: 4.10 , I got confused which Release to download ??? Because I do not know the differences between the New Technology Release and the Production Release. Please tell me the differences between them, and which release should I have to download? Help me please. You have to read the documentation at the FreeBSD website. Start with: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.2.1R/early-adopter.html ___ Helpman B.V. P.O. Box 44, 9700 AA Groningen Peizerweg 97, 9727 AJ Groningen The Netherlands tel +31 (0)50 5217555 fax +31 (0)50 5264878 http://www.helpman.com ___ DISCLAIMER NOTICE Helpman BV accepts no liability for the content of this email, or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of the information provided, unless that information is subsequently confirmed in writing. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. We advise you to carry out your own virus check before opening any attachment, as we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses. If you have received this email in error, or if you are concerned with the content of this email please notify us by telephone on +31 (0)50 5217555 and ask for the Communications Department. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 23:07:07 -0700 (PDT), Younes Al-Hroub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, I am a computer engineer and I want to learn the FreeBSD OS, and I do not have the FreeBSD software and when I have tried to download the FreeBSD software form your website, I found two Releases one called New Technology Release: 5.2.1 and the other called Production Release: 4.10 , I got confused which Release to download ??? Because I do not know the differences between the New Technology Release and the Production Release. Please tell me the differences between them, and which release should I have to download? Help me please. Also, chapter 19.2 FreeBSD-CURRENT vs. FreeBSD-STABLE of the online FreeBSD handbook has a nice short description of the differences. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Thursday 09 September 2004 07:07, Younes Al-Hroub wrote: Dear Sir, I am a computer engineer and I want to learn the FreeBSD OS, and I do not have the FreeBSD software and when I have tried to download the FreeBSD software form your website, I found two Releases one called New Technology Release: 5.2.1 and the other called Production Release: 4.10 , I got confused which Release to download ??? At this point, unless you have some critical application that needs the proven stability of 4.x, I don't see a good reason for a new user to start there. Given that you want it for learning, I would say the choice is between 5.2.1 and waiting for 5.3 (which will be a full production release) in a few weeks. If you plan to use FreeBSD as your main desktop OS you might want to wait for 5.3, otherwise the upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 shouldn't be too hard, and it's part of the learning process. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Thursday 09 September 2004 07:07, Younes Al-Hroub wrote: Dear Sir, I am a computer engineer and I want to learn the FreeBSD OS, and I do not have the FreeBSD software and when I have tried to download the FreeBSD software form your website, I found two Releases one called New Technology Release: 5.2.1 and the other called Production Release: 4.10 , I got confused which Release to download ??? At this point, unless you have some critical application that needs the proven stability of 4.x, I don't see a good reason for a new user to start there. Given that you want it for learning, I would say the choice is between 5.2.1 and waiting for 5.3 (which will be a full production release) in a few weeks. This is really the opposite of the best official advice that is given. Unless you have a strong reason for needing 5.xxx, then installing 4.10 is a good idea. It is the officially stable production system. True that 5.2.1 is basically quite reliable now, but there is no reason not to use the official production release which is 4.10. If you plan to use FreeBSD as your main desktop OS you might want to wait for 5.3, otherwise the upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 shouldn't be too hard, and it's part of the learning process. It would also be part of the learning process to move from 4.10 to 5.3 which would be a little more radical move when it comes. For all practical purposes, at this point the argument is really almost moot. 4.10 is official, but 5.3 is expected to be official only a few days hence. Both are in good shape, but 4.10 has fewer radical changes from previous versions (none) than 5.2.1 and so is considered to be more stable and also less likely to have something overlooked in it. You should read up on how the branching works. There have been a couple of well written explanations posted in the last few months and they could easily be found by searching I believe. Then, you would understand and can make your own decision better. jerry ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Thursday 09 September 2004 08:13 am, Jerry McAllister wrote: At this point, unless you have some critical application that needs the proven stability of 4.x, I don't see a good reason for a new user to start there. Given that you want it for learning, I would say the choice is between 5.2.1 and waiting for 5.3 (which will be a full production release) in a few weeks. This is really the opposite of the best official advice that is given. Unless you have a strong reason for needing 5.xxx, then installing 4.10 is a good idea. It is the officially stable production system. True that 5.2.1 is basically quite reliable now, but there is no reason not to use the official production release which is 4.10. I disagree. I think a completely new user should start with 5.x - there's no reason to learn the details of how 4.x works, just to have significant portions of that knowledge become obsolete in a month. I wouldn't use 5.2.1 on a production machine, but it's perfectly fine for a desktop or learning machine. If you plan to use FreeBSD as your main desktop OS you might want to wait for 5.3, otherwise the upgrade from 5.2.1 to 5.3 shouldn't be too hard, and it's part of the learning process. It would also be part of the learning process to move from 4.10 to 5.3 which would be a little more radical move when it comes. I don't think a new user should try his first make world as a move from 5.2.1 to 5.3. There are quite a lot of pitfalls along the way, including the installation of a new gcc version (there are around 40 entries in /usr/src/UPDATING relevant to the upgrade). And I wouldn't wish a 4.10-to-5.3 source upgrade on anyone (though it is possible). Personally, I would wait the approximately 3 days until 5.3-BETA4 is available, and use that. Then the original poster can play around with FreeBSD for a while, and by the time 5.3-RELEASE comes out, might be ready for a straightforward source upgrade. -David -- +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot. +++ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 13:22:15 -0700, David Syphers proclaimed... I disagree. I think a completely new user should start with 5.x - there's no reason to learn the details of how 4.x works, just to have significant portions of that knowledge become obsolete in a month. I wouldn't use 5.2.1 on a production machine, but it's perfectly fine for a desktop or learning machine. Obsolete? You can't be serious; I don't forsee going to 5.x anytime in the next year or so. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
On Thursday 09 September 2004 01:57 pm, eric wrote: On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 13:22:15 -0700, David Syphers proclaimed... I disagree. I think a completely new user should start with 5.x - there's no reason to learn the details of how 4.x works, just to have significant portions of that knowledge become obsolete in a month. I wouldn't use 5.2.1 on a production machine, but it's perfectly fine for a desktop or learning machine. Obsolete? You can't be serious; I don't forsee going to 5.x anytime in the next year or so. Poor choice of words on my part. People are perfectly free to run FreeBSD 2.2, and some do. What I meant was, most new users are going to want 5.x, as things have advanced significantly from 4.x. For every person like you, who won't move to 5.x for at least a year after it's gone -stable (due to large numbers of local modifications, production stability concerns, or whatever), there's at least one person like me, who went to 5.x years ago even though I'm not a developer (did Cardbus support ever make it to 4.x?). I'm not recommending that new users go to -current (6.x), but I am saying the system administration skills they learn in 5.x will be useful to them much longer than those they would learn in 4.x. -David -- +++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot. +++ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Release to Download?
Another framing: if the person is totally new to FreeBSD, the differences between 4.x and 5.x as a learning environment are negligible. Robert Huff ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
