Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-17 Thread Fabian Keil
Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100
> Fabian Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> > > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be
> > > > able to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> > > 
> > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no
> > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly
> > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and
> > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such.
> > 
> > Which programs did you try?
> > Do you get an error message?
> 
> I tried mplayer, vlc and ogle and experienced the same symptoms like
> when this DVD drive was in virgin state (with no region-code set) and
> when I tried to play normal region 2 DVD, which means:
> 
>   * vlc - no output at all
>   * mplayer - sound ok, video scrambled in colourful squares, producing
> a lot of errors like this:
> 
> a52: CRC check failed!  0.046 ct: -0.029  21/ 18 11%  1% 23.4% 0 0 
> a52: error at resampling
> A:   1.5 V:   1.7 A-V: -0.197 ct: -0.036  23/ 20 11%  0% 22.8% 0 0 
> demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching 
> framerate.
> a52: CRC check failed!  0.045 ct:  0.100  34/30 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 a52: error 
> at resampling

If this was a classical "wrong region code"
problem, the disc shouldn't play at all.

I just had a quick look at:
/usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/work/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libdvdcss/libdvdcss.c
An excerpt from the comment on top:

 * \li \b DVDCSS_METHOD: sets the authentication and decryption method
 * that \e libdvdcss will use to read scrambled discs. Can be one
 * of \c title, \c key or \c disc.
 * - \c key is the default method. \e libdvdcss will use a set of
 *   calculated player keys to try and get the disc key. This can fail
 *   if the drive does not recognize any of the player keys.
 * - \c disc is a fallback method when \c key has failed. Instead of
 *   using player keys, \e libdvdcss will crack the disc key using
 *   a brute force algorithm. This process is CPU intensive and requires
 *   64 MB of memory to store temporary data.
 * - \c title is the fallback when all other methods have failed. It does
 *   not rely on a key exchange with the DVD drive, but rather uses a
 *   crypto attack to guess the title key. On rare cases this may fail
 *   because there is not enough encrypted data on the disc to perform
 *   a statistical attack, but in the other hand it is the only way to
 *   decrypt a DVD stored on a hard disc, or a DVD with the wrong region
 *   on an RPC2 drive.

Maybe there's a communication problem that prevents
libdvdcss from detecting that the first two methods
aren't working properly and that the last one has
to be used.

You could try patching mplayer to only use the last one.

>   * ogle - the flood of these kernel messages with syslogd eating a lot
> of CPU:
> 
> Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: acd0: setting up DMA failed
> Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: ata2: FAILURE - non aligned DMA transfer 
> attempted
> 
> After setting the region of my DVD drive to 2, I never experienced
> such errors (after uncountable number of local DVDs) until I got there
> region 1 ones. That's why I was so confident that libdvdcss is a
> problem.

I think it's only part of the problem.

> > Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system?
> 
> Hmm, my home is currently FreeBSD-only. :-) But I managed to try it and
> - -- yes, it works. Strange. In the light of your post about LITE-ON
> DVDRW LH-20A1S 9L08, is it possible that DVD drive causes all these
> problems?

I assume this could be a controller problem as well.
Trying another drive is probably the easiest way to
find out.

Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Nikola Lečić
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:08:27 +0100
Fabian Keil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be
> > > able to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> > 
> > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no
> > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly
> > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and
> > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such.
> 
> Which programs did you try?
> Do you get an error message?

I tried mplayer, vlc and ogle and experienced the same symptoms like
when this DVD drive was in virgin state (with no region-code set) and
when I tried to play normal region 2 DVD, which means:

  * vlc - no output at all
  * mplayer - sound ok, video scrambled in colourful squares, producing
a lot of errors like this:

a52: CRC check failed!  0.046 ct: -0.029  21/ 18 11%  1% 23.4% 0 0 
a52: error at resampling
A:   1.5 V:   1.7 A-V: -0.197 ct: -0.036  23/ 20 11%  0% 22.8% 0 0 
demux_mpg: 24000/1001fps progressive NTSC content detected, switching framerate.
a52: CRC check failed!  0.045 ct:  0.100  34/30 ??% ??% ??,?% 0 0 a52: error at 
resampling

  * ogle - the flood of these kernel messages with syslogd eating a lot
of CPU:

Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: acd0: setting up DMA failed
Nov 16 22:21:58 black kernel: ata2: FAILURE - non aligned DMA transfer attempted

After setting the region of my DVD drive to 2, I never experienced
such errors (after uncountable number of local DVDs) until I got there
region 1 ones. That's why I was so confident that libdvdcss is a
problem.

> Can you rip the disc with vobcopy?

No, the same as with ogle.

> Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system?

Hmm, my home is currently FreeBSD-only. :-) But I managed to try it and
- -- yes, it works. Strange. In the light of your post about LITE-ON
DVDRW LH-20A1S 9L08, is it possible that DVD drive causes all these
problems?

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:05 +0100
> cpghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:41:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikola Le??i?? wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> > > > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should
> > > > > be able to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> > > > 
> > > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no
> > > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly
> > > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and
> > > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. Of course, I can change DVD
> > > > drive region setting temporarily, but the drive allows just 4 or
> > > > 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to avoid this counting?
> > > 
> > > Changing the region encoding setting on your DVD drive involves
> > > setting a bit or code somewhere in the flash/EEPROM inside of the
> > > DVD drive. The limit of 4-5 changes is purely a DVD drive firmware
> > > thing; there's no technical limit, instead it's a limit imposed by
> > > the firmware.
> > > 
> > > There are websites nowadays which offer "hacked" firmwares which
> > > remove region encoding altogether (or remove the 4-5 set limit).
> > > However, they're only available for very specific models of DVD
> > > drives.  If this is important to you, you should considering
> > > purchasing a drive that can be flashed with a "hacked" firmware.
> > 
> > Check out for RPC1 modded firmwares.
> > 
> > http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php
> 
> Thanks! The DVD drive is
> 
>   cd0:  Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device

I had the same drive for a few days and returned it
because it wouldn't work properly under FreeBSD.

It didn't recognise discs that worked in other drives,
ripping was real slow and it caused system or application
hangups every now and then.

It caused less problems on GNU/Linux, but even there
ripping some problematic discs was too slow and watching
them from disc without stuttering impossible.

I'm still looking for a replacement, so if anyone can
name a drive that properly plays or rips all discs from
the Al Bundy box without issues (under FreeBSD),
I'd appreciate it.

Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Gary Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:37:26PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > > my
> > >   computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > >   *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > >   and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > >   just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > 
> > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
> > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
> > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
> > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
> > incorrectly.

>   I just realized that last night the DVD jumped right into the Start of
>   the film.  No FBI threats of extraordinary rendition to those who would
>   copy, no pre-list of places to jump to.  The extra features were at the
>   end, only.  So it's probably a bad disc.  

There are quite a few discs that do that by design, especially older ones.
 
Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Nikola Lečić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able
> > to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> 
> That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success.
> I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C
> programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient
> as such.

Which programs did you try?
Do you get an error message?
Can you rip the disc with vobcopy?
Did you try playing or ripping the discs on a GNU/Linux system?

Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-16 Thread Fabian Keil
Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:47:14PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:37:26 +0100, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't 
> > > > play on my
> > > > computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I 
> > > > watched the
> > > > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape 
> > > > in '98,
> > > > and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on 
> > > > it; I'm
> > > > just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > > 
> > > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
> > > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
> > > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
> > > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
> > > incorrectly.
> > 
> > IIRC respecting the region is only necessary for players with a
> > licensed CSS implementation. If the player cracks CSS anyway,
> > it usually ignores the region as well so messing with the firmware
> > shouldn't be necessary.
> 
> OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able to
> play region 1 disks with mplayer?

I think so. I play different regions with both mplayer and vlc all the time.

Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 03:40:06AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 03:55:42AM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> > Gary Kline wrote:
> > >   Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > > my
> > >   computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > >   *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > >   and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > >   just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > > 
> > >   thanks,
> > > 
> > >   gary
> > > 
> > > 
> > I would wager it has something to do with a copy protection mechanism.
> > Are you able to play other copy-protected DVDs fine?
> > 
> >Steve
> 
> 
>   All the time with every one I've tried in recent years.  Since this is
>   from 1952, perhaps the trouble is that it lacks the copy-protection.
>   anyway, this is so ancient, it would be a waste to copy! 
>   gary

I don't remember anyone making DVDs in 1952.   
Given that, I doubt there is any copy protection from then either.

DVD copy protection is a DVD era thing, not built in to the movie.

jerry


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:19:28AM -0500, Michael Powell wrote:
> Gary Kline wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on my
> > computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > gary
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  Missing libdvdcss?
> 
> -Mike


No, I've got 1.2.9.  More likely a just-barely usable disc.

gary


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:37:26PM +0100, Roland Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > my
> > computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> 
> Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
> play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
> upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
> usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
> incorrectly.
> 
> Roland


I just realized that last night the DVD jumped right into the Start of
the film.  No FBI threats of extraordinary rendition to those who would
copy, no pre-list of places to jump to.  The extra features were at the
end, only.  So it's probably a bad disc.  

Also, the few time I tried different players--vlc first, the player
locked up and the DVD tray was wegded.  Doing a shutdown I was the
console spitting out "DMA error" type strings.  So ... while *usually*
our players are fault tolerant, not in this case.  Since it's awhile
until
2013, I'm not going to bother asking the library for another copy.

thanks, gents,

gary

PS: I just tried of of the few DVD's i have [thank-you, PBS], "Keltic
Woman"; works flawlessly.  {mm-BAR}, :-)

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Nikola Lečić
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:23:05 +0100
cpghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:41:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikola Le??i?? wrote:
> > > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> > > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should
> > > > be able to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> > > 
> > > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no
> > > success. I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly
> > > (with a small C programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and
> > > libdvdcss is not sufficient as such. Of course, I can change DVD
> > > drive region setting temporarily, but the drive allows just 4 or
> > > 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to avoid this counting?
> > 
> > Changing the region encoding setting on your DVD drive involves
> > setting a bit or code somewhere in the flash/EEPROM inside of the
> > DVD drive. The limit of 4-5 changes is purely a DVD drive firmware
> > thing; there's no technical limit, instead it's a limit imposed by
> > the firmware.
> > 
> > There are websites nowadays which offer "hacked" firmwares which
> > remove region encoding altogether (or remove the 4-5 set limit).
> > However, they're only available for very specific models of DVD
> > drives.  If this is important to you, you should considering
> > purchasing a drive that can be flashed with a "hacked" firmware.
> 
> Check out for RPC1 modded firmwares.
> 
> http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

Thanks! The DVD drive is

  cd0:  Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device

and it seems to be there:

  
http://forum.rpc1.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=42777&p=205896&hilit=LH+20A1S#p205896

... so it means I can do something, I think. Btw, what, in the light of
all this, means the following statement from libdvdcss/pkg-descr?

  """
   - Just better. Unlike most similar projects, libdvdcss doesn't
 require the region of your drive to be set.
  """

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread cpghost
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 08:41:21AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikola Le??i?? wrote:
> > On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> > Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able
> > > to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> > 
> > That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success.
> > I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C
> > programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient
> > as such. Of course, I can change DVD drive region setting temporarily,
> > but the drive allows just 4 or 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to
> > avoid this counting?
> 
> Changing the region encoding setting on your DVD drive involves setting
> a bit or code somewhere in the flash/EEPROM inside of the DVD drive.
> The limit of 4-5 changes is purely a DVD drive firmware thing; there's
> no technical limit, instead it's a limit imposed by the firmware.
> 
> There are websites nowadays which offer "hacked" firmwares which remove
> region encoding altogether (or remove the 4-5 set limit).  However,
> they're only available for very specific models of DVD drives.  If this
> is important to you, you should considering purchasing a drive that can
> be flashed with a "hacked" firmware.

Check out for RPC1 modded firmwares.

http://forum.rpc1.org/portal.php

Of course, you'll void your drive's warranty, if something goes wrong.
In some jurisdictions, it may also be illegal to circumvent DRM, even
if it is merely this silly region encoding firmware check.

-cpghost.

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 05:23:23PM +0100, Nikola Le??i?? wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:46:00 +0100
> Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> > mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able
> > to play region 1 disks with mplayer?
> 
> That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success.
> I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C
> programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient
> as such. Of course, I can change DVD drive region setting temporarily,
> but the drive allows just 4 or 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to
> avoid this counting?

Changing the region encoding setting on your DVD drive involves setting
a bit or code somewhere in the flash/EEPROM inside of the DVD drive.
The limit of 4-5 changes is purely a DVD drive firmware thing; there's
no technical limit, instead it's a limit imposed by the firmware.

There are websites nowadays which offer "hacked" firmwares which remove
region encoding altogether (or remove the 4-5 set limit).  However,
they're only available for very specific models of DVD drives.  If this
is important to you, you should considering purchasing a drive that can
be flashed with a "hacked" firmware.

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Nikola Lečić
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> OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
> mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able
> to play region 1 disks with mplayer?

That's exactly what I am trying to do at this moment, with no success.
I'm in the region 2 and I set my DVD drive accordingly (with a small C
programme). Now I got some region 1 DVDs and libdvdcss is not sufficient
as such. Of course, I can change DVD drive region setting temporarily,
but the drive allows just 4 or 5 such changes. Does anyone know how to
avoid this counting?

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 01:47:14PM +0100, Fabian Keil wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:37:26 +0100, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > > my
> > >   computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > >   *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > >   and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > >   just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > 
> > Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
> > play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
> > upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
> > usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
> > incorrectly.
> 
> IIRC respecting the region is only necessary for players with a
> licensed CSS implementation. If the player cracks CSS anyway,
> it usually ignores the region as well so messing with the firmware
> shouldn't be necessary.

OK, that's nice to know. All the DVDs that I have play fine with
mplayer, but they're probably all region 2 disks. So I should be able to
play region 1 disks with mplayer?

There seem to be other benefits to updating the firmware, like allowing
faster burns with selected media. There is a firmware update utility for
NEC / Optiarc burners that also works under linux. It's called binflash
[http://binflash.cdfreaks.com/]. There is no source code available, though.

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Michael Powell
Gary Kline wrote:

> 
> Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on my
> computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> gary
> 
> 
> 
 Missing libdvdcss?

-Mike


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Fabian Keil
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:37:26 +0100, Roland Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > 
> > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > my
> > computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> 
> Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
> play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
> upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
> usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
> incorrectly.

IIRC respecting the region is only necessary for players with a
licensed CSS implementation. If the player cracks CSS anyway,
it usually ignores the region as well so messing with the firmware
shouldn't be necessary.

Fabian


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46:03AM -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> 
>   Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> my
>   computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
>   *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
>   and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
>   just wondering my none of my players won't play it.

Different region? Most players are locked to a certain region, and won't
play disks from other regions. Although it is possible to install
upgraded or modified firmware that removes the region encoding, that
usually needs a windows program. And it can brick your player when done
incorrectly.

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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Gary Kline
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 03:55:42AM -0600, Steven Susbauer wrote:
> Gary Kline wrote:
> > Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> > my
> > computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
> > *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
> > and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
> > just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > gary
> > 
> > 
> I would wager it has something to do with a copy protection mechanism.
> Are you able to play other copy-protected DVDs fine?
> 
>Steve


All the time with every one I've tried in recent years.  Since this is
from 1952, perhaps the trouble is that it lacks the copy-protection.
anyway, this is so ancient, it would be a waste to copy! 

gary


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Re: "High Noonn" DVD??

2008-11-15 Thread Steven Susbauer
Gary Kline wrote:
>   Do any of you guys know why the DVD version of HIGH NOON won't play on 
> my
>   computers?  I've tried everything I can think of.  Zero.   I watched the
>   *original* in the theater (I think); then have watched the tape in '98,
>   and the DVD just now.  I'm not that nutty to waste a DVD-R on it; I'm
>   just wondering my none of my players won't play it.
> 
>   thanks,
> 
>   gary
> 
> 
I would wager it has something to do with a copy protection mechanism.
Are you able to play other copy-protected DVDs fine?

   Steve



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