Re: [OT] Apple's contribution to OSX
Robert Storey wrote: [ ... ] First off, apologies for this off-topic post, but I think this is the only place I'm likely to get an intelligent (and well-informed) answer to my question. I tried searching the web, but found a confusing and contradictory bunch of poorly-informed opinions, which wasn't helpful. It's not clear to me that you are going to obtain anything different by asking your questions here. :-) I'm writing a news article about Apple's contribution to open source. In particular, I'm interested in finding out the following: You ought to ask Ernie Prabhakar, Wilfredo Sanchez, Jordan Hubbard, or someone like them at Apple. Asking about what Apple has done for FreeBSD, or vice versa, is like studying one tree out of a forest. People at Apple have make significant contributions on for the Apache 2, Java, Samba, GCC, and such, as well as to the BSD projects. 1) How much of FreeBSD did Apple actually use in OSX? If I'm not mistaken, the Darwin kernel is not related to FreeBSD in any way (or is that wrong?). Basically, what exactly did Apple gain from FreeBSD? The Darwin kernel, Mach, is not related to FreeBSD in any way. Apple mostly started with NetBSD improvements to their NEXTSTEP-derived userland based on an old BSD 4.3 version, and since have adopted many changes from FreeBSD as well. Stuff like Unix CLI programs, various standard C library fixes and updates, IPFW, KAME's IPv6 stack, things like that. 2) What exactly has Apple contributed back to FreeBSD? (money? equipment? source code?). Nowadays, does Apple still continue to give anything back to the FreeBSD community? I know at least one FreeBSD committer who is working at Apple, so I suppose that providing jobs counts as money...? I don't know about equipment. Yes, to source code. Apple recently released a bunch of changes and fixes to the MS-DOS filesystem compatibility kernel module, which someone here was looking over. I'd imagine you could find other examples if you looked, to answer the second question. 3) How much of OSX today is open source (or "shared source")? Can you actually see the OSX source code? Can you use any of it? Others have responded to this with URLs that are more useful, but "lots, except for GUI programs", yes, and yes would be my answers. -- -Chuck ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Apple's contribution to OSX
> > Dear All, > > First off, apologies for this off-topic post, but I think this is the > only place I'm likely to get an intelligent (and well-informed) answer > to my question. I tried searching the web, but found a confusing and > contradictory bunch of poorly-informed opinions, which wasn't helpful. > > I'm writing a news article about Apple's contribution to open source. In > particular, I'm interested in finding out the following: > > 1) How much of FreeBSD did Apple actually use in OSX? If I'm not > mistaken, the Darwin kernel is not related to FreeBSD in any way (or is > that wrong?). Basically, what exactly did Apple gain from FreeBSD? > > 2) What exactly has Apple contributed back to FreeBSD? (money? > equipment? source code?). Nowadays, does Apple still continue to give > anything back to the FreeBSD community? > > 3) How much of OSX today is open source (or "shared source")? Can you > actually see the OSX source code? Can you use any of it? > > Because this is off-topic, it might be better if people responded > directly to my email address rather than this forum. Since you have asked it here, if anyone responds, it might as well be here. Some people will be interested. Some might even try to tinker. jerry >I can be reached at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know that I could ask these questions on an OSX > forum, but then I'd probably receive 1000 replies from people telling me > that OSX is the greatest thing since sliced bread - which, even if true, > has nothing to do with the article I'm writing. And yes, I'm running > FreeBSD (and Linux) at home, not OSX, but that also has nothing to do > with the article. > > I appreciate any help I can get on this, and as always I'm happy to > acknowledge anyone by name in the article for their assistance. > > thanks in advance and best regards, > Robert > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Apple's contribution to OSX
Robert, OSX is the greatest thing since sliced bread ... now that that is out of the way. to question (3): try http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/10.3/ it uses a lot of FSF, FreeBSD, etc. just check the header files. gcc is a GNU licensed product (mac os x/darwin is built with the gcc compiler). I *think* the Apple compiler group is trying to fold all their code back into the gcc main stream version. Don't know about (2). thanks!- -lance Lance Bland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VVI 888-VVI-PLOT http://www.vvi.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: [OT] Apple's contribution to OSX
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:56:50 -0400 Robert Storey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > First off, apologies for this off-topic post, but I think this is the > only place I'm likely to get an intelligent (and well-informed) answer > to my question. I tried searching the web, but found a confusing and > contradictory bunch of poorly-informed opinions, which wasn't helpful. > > I'm writing a news article about Apple's contribution to open source. [ ... ] Your questions or at least part of them has been discussed recently on chat@ and advocacy@ > Because this is off-topic, it might be better if people responded > directly to my email address rather than this forum. Why didn't you use chat@, then ? -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
