Re: [was: Cutting the power ... ] Journaling file system

2004-01-19 Thread Cordula's Web
 On January 18, 2004 10:48 pm, Micheas Herman wrote:
  Use flash ram cards and a journaling file system. (soft updates may work
  but you need to talk to someone that knows about them much better than I
  do.)

Beware when using flash ram as some kind of live filesystem!
Flash media has a quite limited number of erase cycles
You may think that's plenty, but since filesystem meta-data
is often written at the same location (superblocks etc...),
this location will quickly reach the threshold, where it
can't be used anymore!

Even journaling fs are not perfect w.r.t. conserving erase-
cycles.

Perhaps someone's doing research on a filesystem type that is
kindlier to flash media?

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Re: [was: Cutting the power ... ] Journaling file system

2004-01-19 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Cordula's Web wrote:

 Beware when using flash ram as some kind of live filesystem!
 Flash media has a quite limited number of erase cycles
 You may think that's plenty, but since filesystem meta-data
 is often written at the same location (superblocks etc...),
 this location will quickly reach the threshold, where it
 can't be used anymore!

Current flash memory spreads the writes around through wear leveling.
A logical write to an address is remapped internally to keep the wear as
even as possible.  There's a kind of neat calculator at:

http://www.m-sys.com/content/Developer/Calc.asp

There's also a PDF from the same company that talks about how it works,
but I couldn't find it on their web site, so:

http://www.spezial.de/commercio/dateien/magazin/FFD_Life_Expectancy.pdf

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: [was: Cutting the power ... ] Journaling file system

2004-01-18 Thread Jonathan Chen
On Sun, Jan 18, 2004 at 11:04:04PM -0500, Pedro Sam wrote:
 On January 18, 2004 10:48 pm, Micheas Herman wrote:
  Use flash ram cards and a journaling file system. (soft updates may work
  but you need to talk to someone that knows about them much better than I
  do.)
 
 I've googled around a bit, but was unable to find a journaling file system for 
 FreeBSD.  Specifically, does ReiserFS work in FreeBSD?

No.
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