Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project. Only if it was installed and operational by default would that really be

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of the FreeBSD project. Only

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Manolis Kiagias
Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of the ath driver contradicts a claim that security is a top priority of

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Spiros Papadopoulos
Hi Blake, On 02/06/07, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. Are you trying to secure a network with a secure gateway? To have a secure

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-03 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:42:33AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 09:15:22AM +0300, Manolis Kiagias wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: I'm not saying that's what the OpenBSD project does. I'm just saying that, for instance, the availability of

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Bill Moran
Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. You shouldn't use FreeBSD, then. It's written by hackers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker If

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Colin Percival
Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place -- at the top of the list. I think the distinction to draw is that FreeBSD has a

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: Hello. Hope it's not too tongue-in-chic, but it's practically irresistable. I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD?

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 04:18:33PM -0700, Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: I am primarily concerned about security from internet hacking, and am therefore considering setting up a separate internet computer with BSD. What is your association with Open BSD? with Linux? Are there copyright or

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place --

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 08:53:52PM -0500, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Blake Finley, MA, ABD-2 wrote: If you are familiar with Linux, search at Google with the string BSD Linux Matthew Fuller rant. It's a fairly well thought-through tirade on some of the differences Linux users perceive when they

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 04:33:01AM +0200, Jona Joachim wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:10:27 -0700 Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Moran wrote: OpenBSD puts security higher on its list of project goals and motivating factors than any other OS I know. I disagree. I'd

Re: BSD derivatives

2007-06-02 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:10:08PM -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On June 3, 2007 4:33:01 AM +0200 Jona Joachim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. I'd say that OpenBSD and FreeBSD put security in exactly the same place -- at the top of the list. Sorry but I have to disagree here. FreeBSD