Re: Backspace problems
Scott Mayo wrote: If I hit backspace it just backs up on the line until were input-mode was started during this input-mode session. If I hit delete then it capitalizes the charcter behind the cursor and throws me into command-mode. You just need to get it configured right. For some things I need to do something like CTRL-BACKSPACE instead of regular BACKSPACE or other variations in certain circumstances. But, I get what I need with the defaults (nothing special), so I haven't bothered to learn the keyboard config and vi config, etc stuff, but it is there and people make them do whatever they want.If you really want, you can make it remap however you want. But, you will probably have to do some research on keyboard remapping and vi, and command line config, etc. jerry === This way to get things to delete in vi seems odd to me. I have always used 'x' to delete from the right, and X to delete from the left. Maybe some hacks of vi include alternative methods to navigate. The problem with learning a method using shortcuts is that the pure method becomes unnatural and difficult. vi becomes real useful once you start doing things in it by reflex. If your reflexes are of the pure method then you should be good from one vi to the next. Even in my case, using the arrow keys seems more natural for jumping around (than using the jkl and ; keys). This is even more true for me since I use the Dvorak keyboard layoun and j, k, l and ; are not close together (well, j and k are -- and l and ; are too; but still not quick or easy to use for navigation.) Maybe the vim port in the ports collection will bring you completeness in your OS experience. == Because sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the human heart is fully set to do evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backspace problems
doug wrote: On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Scott Mayo wrote: I am not on any VI list, but thought I would post this here to see if anyone had any ideas. This is my first FreeBSD server, so I am still learning. I got my backspace and delete working the shell after a few adjustments, but they still act odd in VI. I have checked setting with my linux boxes (the backspace and delete work fine there) and everything looks the same. I did an stty -a | grep erase and it tells me that erase is Contral-? and erase2 is control-H. I have changed both around to make them either Ctrl-? or Ctrl-H, but that has not helped. If I hit backspace it just backs up on the line until were input-mode was started during this input-mode session. If I hit delete then it capitalizes the charcter behind the cursor and throws me into command-mode. I am not sure if there are anymore settings to change in FreeBSD or if it is a setting in VI. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Scott, my stty -a: cchars: discard = ^O; dsusp = ^Y; eof = ^D; eol = undef; eol2 = undef; erase = ^H; erase2 = ^@; intr = ^C; kill = ^U; lnext = ^V; min = 1; quit = ^\; reprint = ^R; start = ^Q; status = ^T; stop = ^S; susp = ^Z; time = 0; werase = ^W; IMO redefining keys is not a good thing if you are learning UNIX and vi. In the default setup (I use tcsh for an interactive shell) ctrl-h is a backspace and functions on the command line like the backspace key, i.e., deletes the char to the left of the cursor. In vi the delete-key == x in command mode (by default). The [del] key does not work on the command line. I would advise getting comfortable with the default settings before branching out. Key bindings and /etc/termcap changes have lots of ramifications. vi is as it is because it was written when systems were line oriented. The 'hjkl' are where your fingers sit if you are a touch typist, and hence were chosen for that purpose. As late as 1995 vi on BSDI (where I start on the BSD trail) did not support the cursor keys very well. I have attached a vi cheat sheet that I found years ago. This is a pretty good starter set of commands for vi. vi is not even as bad as it gets. vi is in /usr/bin so if your system is really broken and you must edit something ed is the tool available in FreeBSD. Thanks for the info Doug. A friend of mine set me on the right path. I have been using vi in linux, except it was not vi. Vi was aliased to vim. I had installed vim on my FreeBSD server the other day, but that did not fix it. I found out that it has to be run with 'set nocp' so that it does not run in vi compatibility mode. I did this and now my backspace and delete work like I want them to. :) I appreciate the replies. -- Scott Mayo System Administrator Bloomfield Schools PH: 573-568-5669 FA: 573-568-4565 Pager: 800-264-2535 X2549 Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backspace problems
Thanks for the info Doug. A friend of mine set me on the right path. I have been using vi in linux, except it was not vi. Vi was aliased to vim. I had installed vim on my FreeBSD server the other day, but that did not fix it. I found out that it has to be run with 'set nocp' so that it does not run in vi compatibility mode. I did this and now my backspace and delete work like I want them to. :) I appreciate the replies. For vim, my favorite is this: cp /usr/local/share/vim/vim70/vimrc_example.vim ~/.vimrc Regards, Lars ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Backspace problems
Scott Mayo wrote: If I hit backspace it just backs up on the line until were input-mode was started during this input-mode session. If I hit delete then it capitalizes the charcter behind the cursor and throws me into command-mode. === This way to get things to delete in vi seems odd to me. I have always used 'x' to delete from the right, and X to delete from the left. Maybe some hacks of vi include alternative methods to navigate. The problem with learning a method using shortcuts is that the pure method becomes unnatural and difficult. vi becomes real useful once you start doing things in it by reflex. If your reflexes are of the pure method then you should be good from one vi to the next. Even in my case, using the arrow keys seems more natural for jumping around (than using the jkl and ; keys). This is even more true for me since I use the Dvorak keyboard layoun and j, k, l and ; are not close together (well, j and k are -- and l and ; are too; but still not quick or easy to use for navigation.) Maybe the vim port in the ports collection will bring you completeness in your OS experience. == Because sentence against an evil deed is not executed speedily, the human heart is fully set to do evil. Ecclesiastes 8:11 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
