Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Mike Jackson
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 Hi,
  
 I have recently installed FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-p10 on a Intel SE7501WV2 board. I am 
 using a PS2 keyboard without mouse. It works fine. However, when i boot without the 
 keyboard plugged into the system, it is not able to accept the keyboard when i plug 
 in later. 
  
 Is there a way to turn the keyboard always 'on' so that i can get it to work 
 whenever i plug it in after the system is up and running.
  

Hi,
 You could try a USB keyboard. I'm not sure if USB Hotplugging is
working in FBSD or not, but it *should* work theoretically.

 I don't know of any systems that allow PS/2 hotplugging.

BR,
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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Brian Bobowski
On October 6, 2003 01:16 pm, Mike Jackson wrote:
 Hi,
  You could try a USB keyboard. I'm not sure if USB Hotplugging is
 working in FBSD or not, but it *should* work theoretically.

  I don't know of any systems that allow PS/2 hotplugging.

 BR,
 --
 mike

USB hotplugging definitely works as of 5.1-CURRENT; I've swapped my mouse and 
trackball into different ports a number of times, and they work right away.

However, I don't know if this is the case as of 4.8. If you have (other) USB 
peripherals, it might be worth trying a hotplug to see if it works.

-BB

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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Henrik Hudson
On Monday 06 October 2003 08:16, Mike Jackson wrote:
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  Hi,
 
  I have recently installed FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE-p10 on a Intel SE7501WV2
  board. I am using a PS2 keyboard without mouse. It works fine. However,
  when i boot without the keyboard plugged into the system, it is not able
  to accept the keyboard when i plug in later.
 
  Is there a way to turn the keyboard always 'on' so that i can get it to
  work whenever i plug it in after the system is up and running.

Yes, there is. In your kernel, find the line:
device  atkbd0  at atkbdc? irq 1

the default kernel has a flag x or something after the 'irq 1' . Delete the 
flag portion and its argument, recompile and reboot and then the ps2 keyboard 
will always load.

Henrik
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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 04:16:39PM +0300, Mike Jackson wrote:
 
 Hi,
  You could try a USB keyboard. I'm not sure if USB Hotplugging is
 working in FBSD or not, but it *should* work theoretically.
 
  I don't know of any systems that allow PS/2 hotplugging.

I've read (although never actually seen myself - so take this with as large
a grain of salt as you like) that hotplugging PS/2 peripherals can damage
the port you're plugging them into, so I'd be wary about doing this.

Depends where the server is located wrt. other machines, but a KVM switch
might be useful in this situation.

Scott

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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Mike Maltese
 Is there a way to turn the keyboard always 'on' so that i can get it to
work whenever i plug it in after the system is up and running.


In your kernel config, remove any flags for the keyboard device, i.e:

device  atkbd0  at atkbdc? irq 1

Now build a new kernel, reboot, and it should work as desired.

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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Ph. Schulz
I've read (although never actually seen myself - so take this with as large
a grain of salt as you like) that hotplugging PS/2 peripherals can damage
the port you're plugging them into, so I'd be wary about doing this.
 This is what I've heard, too, but I've never seen a PS/2 port being 
damaged from 'hot plugging' either. However, I've seen it quite a few 
times that unplugging and replugging the mouse or the keyboard leaves 
the device not working afterwards. I've seen this under FreeBSD as well 
as under (I hate to admit it, but it's the PC at work) Windows NT4 and 
2000. I've read a magazine article once which said that this is not the 
OS's responsibility but the hardware (keyboard or mouse) itself crashing.
 So regardless if hot-plugging the keyboard works or not, if you plan 
to do this several times a day, you might want to thing about getting a 
KVM switch.

	Phil.

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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Manuel Rabade (MiG)
Some years ago I worked as technical service, and i see al least 2 machines with
the keyboard port burned because of this :-P, but also i know about too many
people that do it and nothing happens ... but i like to do it :-P.

On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:05:10AM +0200, Ph. Schulz wrote:
 I've read (although never actually seen myself - so take this with as large
 a grain of salt as you like) that hotplugging PS/2 peripherals can damage
 the port you're plugging them into, so I'd be wary about doing this.
 
  This is what I've heard, too, but I've never seen a PS/2 port being 
 damaged from 'hot plugging' either. However, I've seen it quite a few 
 times that unplugging and replugging the mouse or the keyboard leaves 
 the device not working afterwards. I've seen this under FreeBSD as well 
 as under (I hate to admit it, but it's the PC at work) Windows NT4 and 
 2000. I've read a magazine article once which said that this is not the 
 OS's responsibility but the hardware (keyboard or mouse) itself crashing.
  So regardless if hot-plugging the keyboard works or not, if you plan 
 to do this several times a day, you might want to thing about getting a 
 KVM switch.
 
   Phil.
 
 
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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Manuel Rabade (MiG)
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:38:03PM -0500, MiG wrote:
 Some years ago I worked as technical service, and i see al least 2 machines with
 the keyboard port burned because of this :-P, but also i know about too many
 people that do it and nothing happens ... but i like to do it :-P.


I mean, i don't like to do it :-P, sorry for my bad english.
 
 On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:05:10AM +0200, Ph. Schulz wrote:
  I've read (although never actually seen myself - so take this with as large
  a grain of salt as you like) that hotplugging PS/2 peripherals can damage
  the port you're plugging them into, so I'd be wary about doing this.
  
   This is what I've heard, too, but I've never seen a PS/2 port being 
  damaged from 'hot plugging' either. However, I've seen it quite a few 
  times that unplugging and replugging the mouse or the keyboard leaves 
  the device not working afterwards. I've seen this under FreeBSD as well 
  as under (I hate to admit it, but it's the PC at work) Windows NT4 and 
  2000. I've read a magazine article once which said that this is not the 
  OS's responsibility but the hardware (keyboard or mouse) itself crashing.
   So regardless if hot-plugging the keyboard works or not, if you plan 
  to do this several times a day, you might want to thing about getting a 
  KVM switch.
  
  Phil.
  
  
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Re: Booting without keyboard.

2003-10-06 Thread Robert Huff

Ph. Schulz writes:

This is what I've heard, too, but I've never seen a PS/2 port
being damaged from 'hot plugging' either.

This is one of those things where it works ... except when it
doesn't, and you fry the port or even the entire motherboard.  It's
never happened to me (as far as I know) but I know a number of
people (some on FreeBSD lists) to whom it has.

  I've read a magazine article once which said that this is not the
  OS's responsibility but the hardware (keyboard or mouse) itself
  crashing.

I believe this to be correct.

So regardless if hot-plugging the keyboard works or not, if you
plan to do this several times a day, you might want to thing
about getting a KVM switch.

Four port PS/2 KVMs are disgustingly cheap these days.  USB,
not so much.


Robert Huff







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