Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On 2003-02-23 12:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread really needs to end on this list, but I am going to respond to the below email to this list since it was sent to this list. [...] If you know why the cvsup example that was used was, then please email me directly, not the list. I'll agree that this discussion has taken too much time already. More than it's worth. You should have researched the matter yourself, looking at commit logs and finding the person who committed the text you're interested in. Then you could have mailed the original committer and asked in person. Please, stop bugging everyone on freebsd-questions now :-( To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
This thread really needs to end on this list, but I am going to respond to the below email to this list since it was sent to this list. Viewpoints on religion, politics or myself are not what I asked. I simply want to know why cvsup666 was used as an example in the freebsd handbook. That's it. Why not either answer the question if you know why, and if you don't why not simply not say anything? I do not agree with the below email and I am completely confident that reading 666 does not mean I am going to hell. I know it does not. If you know why the cvsup example that was used was, then please email me directly, not the list. zerotransfer - Original Message - From: Jimi Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Fwd: Cvsup Handbook Example Since the major portion of the world's misery, both past and present, can be directly attributed to organized religion, I find this incessant prattling about the demon (INTENTIONAL misspelling) logo and some of the other things like this thing below to be totally offensive. The Middle East is in a shambles and those people have been squabbling for 5000 years over who's ideas about God are right. Europe has fared no better and neither has the New World - just ask the Native Indian population. Millions of people have died over religion. It doesn't really matter which one. Pick one - they are ALL equally guilty. The short-sighted narrow-minded viewpoint expressed below is PRECISELY the mind-set that encourages and promotes things like the Inquisition. Since it does nothing but add to the sum total of human misery, I find postings like this to be highly offensive. If you think that you might be going to hell over reading something that says cvsup666, then you are probably already in one and too brainwashed to get out. At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html, cvsup666 is used as an example. Out of all the possible three number combos, why was 666 used? As a Christian, this does bother me and I would like to know why exactly it was used. I do not think this is being extreme or unreasonable. Please note that I do not want to start a confrontation or cause problems etc... with this question. Simply the answer. If you would prefer, please feel free to email me directly if you feel this may cause problems on this list. I help admin a few freebsd servers and so this of extra interest to me. notvalid To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message -- Thanks, Ms. Jimi Thompson, CISSP, Rev. Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. --Plato To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On 21 Feb 2003 18:49:14 -0800 Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello zerotransfer, I've always enjoyed religious debates, but the list probably tires of them, and if we keep this up, one of the list admins will probably tell us to 'take it outside'. But as a final followup, there are sacred numbers in every religion, as far as I know, and if we in the IT sector, which is very number heavy, paid attention to what superstition somebody may hold with a certain number, our jobs would become ever more complicated. In Japanese, the word shi (she) means 4 and death. This is the basis for the custom of never giving a gift of four things. Tea cup and sake cup sets always come with five cups, so that the giver does not wish death upon the recipient. I suppose that setting a file's permissions to -rw-r--r- (644) gets a laugh when thought of as read-write kill kill; reminds me of some USENET news group names. Except those prefered die-die, and in Japanese dai means big. Programmers often use certain patterns to indicate dummy data. I was taught to use nines for that. In the handbook, I might have used *default host=cvsup999.FreeBSD.org It does not take a leap of faith to presume that the author uses 666 where I would use 999, with no offense intended regardless of race, creed, or color. -- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Gary Dunn _/ _/ Open Slate Project _/ _/ http://openslate.sourceforge.net/ _/ _/ http://www.aloha.com/~knowtree/_/ _/ Honolulu _/ _/ registered Linux user #273809 _/ _/ _/ _/ This tagline is umop apisdn. _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 07:14:12AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html, cvsup666 is used as an example. Out of all the possible three number combos, why was 666 used? As a Christian, this does bother me and I would like to know why exactly it was used. I do not think this is being extreme or unreasonable. Please note that I do not want to start a confrontation or cause problems etc... with this question. Simply the answer. If you would prefer, please feel free to email me directly if you feel this may cause problems on this list. I help admin a few freebsd servers and so this of extra interest to me. -rw-rw-rw-: The file protection of the Beast. ;- Pax Christi, Jim Trigg -- Jim Trigg, Lord High Everything Else O- /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Hostmaster, Huie Kin family websiteXHELP CURE HTML MAIL Verger, All Saints Church - Sharon Chapel / \ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:42:05AM -0800, Justin Hopper wrote: Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. (I think this unnamed gentleman [[ women are seldom so dense ]] merely dosn't understand 0ctal. Mayhaps he could use binary: 10110110 || 110 110 110. Hm?) -- Gary Kline [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.thought.org Public service Unix To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
I don't really get it either, as I pointed out in an off-list e-mail to the original sender earlier, this has nothing to do with Christian mythology or satanic anything. 666 is, by all historic and scientific accounts, a Masonic symbol. Now unless you have a problem with people who have an intriguing fixation with geometry (Free Masons), then I can't see anything wrong with using the number. We're long past the point where you can't use 13 as a number, why should this be any different, really? On Friday 21 February 2003 21:42, Justin Hopper wrote: Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
From: Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example Date: 21 Feb 2003 11:42:05 -0800 Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;) -Henrik FreeBSD newbie and fanatic. _ MSN Messenger http://www.msn.no/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote: And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;) -Henrik FreeBSD newbie and fanatic. Well hey, then I suppose Microsoft were right after all, we are evil ;) News to me though, last I checked, daemons are neutral, and not evil like the demons which the American film industry has created for strategic marketing perposes :) Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is it neciserally evil? :P _ MSN Messenger http://www.msn.no/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message -- Willie Viljoen Freelance IT Consultant 214 Paul Kruger Avenue, Universitas Bloemfontein 9321 South Africa +27 51 522 15 60 +27 51 522 44 36 (after hours) +27 82 404 03 27 (mobile) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Obviously I don't think it is mythology or I wouldn't believe it :-) Actually it is not my place to tell people what numbers they are and are not allowed to use. More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? zerotransfer - Original Message - From: Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Actually, though, I would rather the mascot be something different, that wasn't what I was mainly concerned with. Probably in part because I have heard about the supposed difference between daemons and demons (though I haven't confirmed this). Alsoin part because I feel that the motivation behind something can sometimes be more important than what is done (not always but sometimes). I am not saying that using the number 666 is evil. I just wrote it. The reason it was used is my concern. zerotransfer - Original Message - From: Willie Viljoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote: And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;) -Henrik FreeBSD newbie and fanatic. Well hey, then I suppose Microsoft were right after all, we are evil ;) News to me though, last I checked, daemons are neutral, and not evil like the demons which the American film industry has created for strategic marketing perposes :) Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is it neciserally evil? :P To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? Certainly. Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal. [ rw-rw-rw- is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal. 666 in decimal corresponds to Unix mode --w--rx-wt, not that either one has any religious connotations whatsoever. It must be nice to not have any genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ] -Chuck Chuck Swiger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | All your packets are belong to us. -+---+--- The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them. -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
A personal attack early in your email, you didn't waste time. Actually what 666 corresponds to in decimal or what it is in base 8 is irrelevant to me. If 666 was the most secure or insecure chmod number than I might think that had something to do with it. The point being the significance of the motivation for using it and I know of no special significance as opposed to another number except for the obvious connotation. zerotransfer - Original Message - From: Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? Certainly. Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal. [ rw-rw-rw- is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal. 666 in decimal corresponds to Unix mode --w--rx-wt, not that either one has any religious connotations whatsoever. It must be nice to not have any genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ] -Chuck Chuck Swiger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | All your packets are belong to us. -+---+--- The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them. -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Chuck Swiger wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? Certainly. Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal. [ rw-rw-rw- is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal. 666 in decimal corresponds to Unix mode --w--rx-wt, not that either one has any religious connotations whatsoever. It must be nice to not have any genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ] Please don't do this. This is off-topic and is a flame-war starting. To the person that started this discussion, if you feel offended by the use of 666 in an example, you should either email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to bring it up, or file a PR asking it to be changed. This is the wrong list for this discussion. To everyone else. If the person who started this thread is not a troll, he certainly posted a message that had the effect of trolling. Please don't feed. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On Friday 21 February 2003 22:11, Henrik W Lund wrote: Just because something is red, has horns and carries a glowy tridant, is it neciserally evil? :P I don't think so, you've just described a Maserati! KeS To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
I assure you I was not trying to start a problem. I tried emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 2/17/03 and I got the below error message. I think I have actually tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the past and also got an error message but I am not sure. Can you give me any other email addresses to try? I would really like to hear from someone at freebsd directly who knows why it was used. If not I might try [EMAIL PROTECTED] again. It would dissappoint me if a flame war started over simply asking a question. Since this may be the case, maybe if anyone else wants to respond to me they can do so to me directly? No need to start a problem on this list. zerotransfer net 007: This e-mail message was undeliverable due to the following reason: net 015: The destination mail system was not reachable withing the allowed period. Note: This error message is usually due to one of the following network problems: a. The recipient's mail system is turned off. b. The destination mail system is not currently running. Solution: Attempt to resend, or contact the recipient by alternate means to let them know about the issue. Your message was not delivered within 4 days. Host freebsd.org is not responding. The following recipients did not receive this message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example Chuck Swiger wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? Certainly. Your point appears to be that you are too ignorant to know that Unix mode bits are represented in octal, not decimal. [ rw-rw-rw- is 666 in base 8, which is 438 in decimal. 666 in decimal corresponds to Unix mode --w--rx-wt, not that either one has any religious connotations whatsoever. It must be nice to not have any genuine or substantive problems to deal with, if this actually matters to anyone ] Please don't do this. This is off-topic and is a flame-war starting. To the person that started this discussion, if you feel offended by the use of 666 in an example, you should either email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to bring it up, or file a PR asking it to be changed. This is the wrong list for this discussion. To everyone else. If the person who started this thread is not a troll, he certainly posted a message that had the effect of trolling. Please don't feed. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:11:22PM +0100, Henrik W Lund wrote: From: Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example Date: 21 Feb 2003 11:42:05 -0800 Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com And let's remember that FreeBSD's mascot is a (if not THE) devil. ;) This was all gone through a while back. A daemon was for the ancient Greeks something like a guardian angel. It was corrupted into 'demon with it's evil connotations by judaeo-christian ignorance. I believe that in Islam a demon is an ambivalent entity, capable of good and bad. I asked A Christian friend whether 666 mean't anything bad to him. He asked me if I had been drinking ;). -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Hello zerotransfer, I've always enjoyed religious debates, but the list probably tires of them, and if we keep this up, one of the list admins will probably tell us to 'take it outside'. But as a final followup, there are sacred numbers in every religion, as far as I know, and if we in the IT sector, which is very number heavy, paid attention to what superstition somebody may hold with a certain number, our jobs would become ever more complicated. I don't mean to belittle your religion, but I can't imagine what life must be like to be offended by such a trivial thing as a certain number =) -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 13:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously I don't think it is mythology or I wouldn't believe it :-) Actually it is not my place to tell people what numbers they are and are not allowed to use. More than the number, the issue for me is the motivation of why that number was used. Why use one of the only three digit numbers that I know of that is associated with evil to at least one belief? See my point? zerotransfer - Original Message - From: Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example Sorry, this of course should have read 'after 665 and before 667'. On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:13, Justin Hopper wrote: Hello unamed person, For the rest of the world that doesn't follow Christian Mythology, 666 is just the number after 667 and before 665. I've used 666 in several coding examples, usually for client/server socket daemons, as most people don't have anything using port 666. Would you rather that the good people of FreeBSD be barred from using particular numbers? This could pose a problem. -- Justin Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNIX Systems Engineer http://www.spry.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the me ssage To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: Cvsup Handbook Example
Please send all future references to this subject to me directly so as not to cause problems for others. I looked up the following in the Bible: 1) As far as a demon being a product of Christian ignorance, we didn't make it up, it is in the Bible - Matthew 17:18. 2) As far as whether that number is associated with evil, we didn't make it up, it is in the Bible - Revelation 13:18. There are other verses in regard to my first point. There may be other verses for my second point. If you meant that Christians turned the word daemon into demon - I am not doing that. The word daemon is not what I was asking about. As far as Islam goes, what they believe is irrelevent since I am a Christian. zerotransfers - Original Message - From: Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Cvsup Handbook Example This was all gone through a while back. A daemon was for the ancient Greeks something like a guardian angel. It was corrupted into 'demon with it's evil connotations by judaeo-christian ignorance. I believe that in Islam a demon is an ambivalent entity, capable of good and bad. I asked A Christian friend whether 666 mean't anything bad to him. He asked me if I had been drinking ;). -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands [ This mail has been checked as virus-free ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
