Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Chris Rees
2009/5/31 Polytropon free...@edvax.de: On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'?  (Not arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not in my case yes as / is usually my only filesystem. for those who keep programs (/usr) separate /usr/local2 or /usr/whatever will be OK ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put everything into one partition, i. e. /, then everything is going into /. like in my case. with one exception - now i usually have /tmp separate but it's tmpfs :) other Solarisisms that I've already seen, such as /export on FreeBSD

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export through NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated rule? No, just tradition or convention. In most cases,

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
all your examples are sounds just like kind of tradition. Just like for eg. creating lots of partitions no matter if it's needed or not On Sun, 31 May 2009, Polytropon wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:30:44 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: does Solaris

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: other Solarisisms that I've already seen, such as /export on FreeBSD which is usually used on Solaris for NFS shares.) does Solaris REQUIRE things to be in /export to be able to export through NFS or is it just some kind of tradition or routinely repeated rule? It's

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 31 May 2009 10:49:18 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: all your examples are sounds just like kind of tradition. Just like for eg. creating lots of partitions no matter if it's needed or not One exception: The creation of different partitions

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
In fact, given that FreeBSD doesn't seem to have a native convention on how exported filesystems are laid out (no mention in hier(7), no default /etc/exports file), it would make sense to adopt the Solaris/Linux style where feasible. it's best not to adopt any style, but do whatever is

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
One exception: The creation of different partitions according to different uses can (but doesn't neccessarily have to) be useful if partition-wise dumps are required or intended. As you know, there are advantages and disadvantages. There can This is only adventage - to use dump. Anyway - do

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:19:10 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: For me it never succeeded, even if it dumps successfully produced output could be unrestorable. After getting this twice i stayed away from this great (but nonworking) tool. Backup tool that

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
Wojciech Puchar wrote: Your idea won't hurt in single-disk, single-partition case, but this case is prohibited by other blind repeat rule of making lots of partitions. I didn't say anything about how file system layout should be mapped to disk partitions[*]. Nor do I support the concept of

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 31 May 2009 11:15:19 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: it's best not to adopt any style, but do whatever is optimal in certain case. You propose just another example of blind repeated rule. It is often found as corporate standard. This doesn't mean

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I just prefer dump + restore for cloning systems because it explicitely takes care of file attributes and anything; I do use You are right, but rsync can do the same :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Your idea won't hurt in single-disk, single-partition case, but this case is prohibited by other blind repeat rule of making lots of partitions. I didn't say anything about how file system layout should be mapped to disk partitions[*]. Nor do I support the concept of making lots and lots of

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-31 Thread Wojciech Puchar
case. You propose just another example of blind repeated rule. It is often found as corporate standard. This doesn't mean you Well i don't expect many smart people working in big corporations. There are exceptions of course - those that got there by accident and not yet left ;)

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi! I installed my software using csup and make install. Now there are new you mean FreeBSD or some add on software? as assume latter. you should use ports for installing software. if there are no port for it, you should write it and contribute ;) but if you already did this way, then you

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 30 May 2009 20:54:10 +0200, Markus Künkler mar...@amobos.org wrote: Hi! I installed my software using csup and make install. Now there are new versions available. How can i deinstall the old software with depencies or upgrade the complete stuff? I want to use make for that and

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 30 May 2009 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: If you need to install software this was, try to set target directory base not in /usr, to not make mess with base system, and not /usr/local - to not mess with ports. creating /usr/local2 is

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Wojciech Puchar
creating /usr/local2 is a good choice You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt Linuxism. :-) no matter what's the name, but it's good to have /usr/local for ports-based installed things /some/other/directory for hand-installed things so both base system and ports are clearly

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread cpghost
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 09:35:35PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt Linuxism. :-) /opt is actually a Solarism... ;-) -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 30 May 2009 23:50:42 +0200, cpghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: /opt is actually a Solarism... ;-) That's true, but nobody knows, because Solaris doesn't exist. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Glen Barber
Polytropon, On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: You can even keep it out of /usr employing the /opt Linuxism. :-) For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) -- Glen Barber

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'? (Not arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) This depends on your file system layout, Glen. If you put everything into one partition, i.

Re: Deinstall software

2009-05-30 Thread Glen Barber
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Sat, 30 May 2009 18:55:15 -0400, Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com wrote: For (my own) clarity sake, won't that take up space in '/'?  (Not arguing, just never thought of using /opt on FreeBSD...) This depends on your