Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel of course. I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel of course. I find it really interesting that this change which broke just about every critical application I run was not mentioned in the release notes or UPDATING. I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be asking. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel of course. I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 03:13:09 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings? It appears to me it does not. Although I set TERM=cons25l1 in .profile (running bash) and have verified that it is set to that value with SET, it appears to me that the function keys are mapped to weird xterm-like strings instead of their ANSI values (example: F7 = E[18~ not E[S). The TERM environment variable is supposed to describe the terminal not control it. Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? In the kernel config there's an option TEKEN_CONS25 which will build the console terminal emulator in CONS25 mode. You'll need a custom kernel of course. I find it really interesting that this change which broke just about every critical application I run was not mentioned in the release notes or UPDATING. Bizarre - no well written application should break unless of course you have TERM set to something that doesn't match what the terminal does. The whole TERM termcap/terminfo/curses mechanism is designed to support terminal independent applications. I'm curious though - why ? As long as TERM is set correctly anything that uses curses will handle the keyboard and screen correctly. If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be asking. Which applications - and are they still broken with the right TERM settings (TERM=xterm) ? -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner l...@larseighner.com wrote: I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:38:38AM +0200, J B wrote: Well, then, where is the setting that makes the F7 key send E[18~ instead of the standard E[S? I think you will find a hint here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Home_and_End_keys_not_working it's not much of a hint (it's Linux-specific, and like most of the Arch wiki - not insightful). (other responses in the thread seem to have answered the question) -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgpL3GAW9IKHM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner l...@larseighner.com wrote: I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke with X.0. Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not on the production disc. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be asking. Which applications - and are they still broken with the right TERM settings (TERM=xterm) ? Joe, most, lynx (which is also my file manager) in functions involving function keys. I could, of course, remap all of the macros, but that would be silly since I have about five pages of keymapping in .Xdefaults to make xterm in X emulate cons25. But that does give me an idea for an emergency solution -- perhaps I can run my console applications in an xterm in X since I made it emulate cons25. Of course there is nothing in X that will put 4000 characters (80x25) on the screen at once as legibly as VGA fonts do - which is why I use console applications to begin with - so that is strictly a get out of a jam solution, not practical for production. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:36 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner l...@larseighner.com wrote: I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. It's there on my 9.0-RELEASE-p4 boxes. In /etc/freebsd-update.conf do you have src among the components to update ? I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke with X.0. I've yet to see any breakage, do your applications really break with TERM=xterm on the console ? Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not on the production disc. Well yes - no untested updates should ever hit a production system, that's what the QA boxes are for. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:58:36 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:20:18 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner l...@larseighner.com wrote: I grepped the entire /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf directory. There is no TEKEN_CONS25 or TEKEN or CONS25. Exactly where is this documented? /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES is where I found it. Grepped /usr/src/sys/conf/* and did not find it. I see from google that something seems to have been added to HEAD and its UPDATING, but there is nothing of the sort in 9.0 RELEASE - p4. It's there on my 9.0-RELEASE-p4 boxes. In /etc/freebsd-update.conf do you have src among the components to update ? I have never been able to get update to work. I cvsup the source tree (which I suppose is now really serviced by subversion). I really should have known better by now than to upgrade to a X.0 - perhaps by X.2 or X.3 they will have fix most of the stuff they broke with X.0. I've yet to see any breakage, do your applications really break with TERM=xterm on the console ? Only the essential stuff: joe, most, lynx. Of course things which do not use any function keys (including the movement keys) are not affected. Fortunately, I have learned enough to try upgrades on the mirror and not on the production disc. Well yes - no untested updates should ever hit a production system, that's what the QA boxes are for. also the -V switch doesn't give such good results in mergemaster -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Does 9.0 honor TERM settings
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 06:12:57 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner l...@larseighner.com wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 05:11:19 -0500 (CDT) Lars Eighner luvbeas...@larseighner.com wrote: If 9.0 had not broken my most important applications, I wouldn't be asking. Which applications - and are they still broken with the right TERM settings (TERM=xterm) ? Joe, most, lynx (which is also my file manager) in functions involving function keys. I could, of course, remap all of the macros, but that would be silly since I have about five pages of keymapping in .Xdefaults to make xterm in X emulate cons25. You have something bizarrely wrong on your machine. Lynx works perfectly in an xterm without any keymapping, it's a curses application so it should do and it does. I suspect you have something forcing TERM=CONS25 into the environment - you'd be well served by finding and removing it. Nothing apart from the curses library should ever need to care what the terminal type is provided TERM matches reality. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins.|licences available see You lose and Bill collects. |http://www.sohara.org/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
