Re: FIRST INSTALL QUESTION
[cc'd back to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:29:56 -0800 ADSBANNERS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20031130:09:24gmt-8 las vegas nv 89102 Thanks for the information. My plesure. What do you mean by unregistered? I supose you refer to my signature. Well the short story is an allusion at some linux users, their Linux registered user #nnn signatureand the way some of them see the rest of the world based on how small the number is -- how old linux user one is. The ideea came to me from a [EMAIL PROTECTED] thread a few years ago and basicaly want to say that not the age is important but what you know and learn. I'm using FreeBSD since 2.2.4 but I know a few people that learned more that me in just a few months ;) It is also an allusion at the activation, registering and the rest wonderfull things of M$. I want to explain what I meant about booting to DOS from Windows 98 Start-up Menu. Can I do the following (C: bootable; D: orig formatted FAT32 not bootable to Windows, 2 partitions - 1 FAT32, 1 BSD).. 1. Boot to Windows Start-up Menu 2. Choose 'Command Prompt Only' 3. C:CD D: 4.D:FBSDBOOT.EXE If that would work I think it would be the most attractive to me. The file FBSDBOOT.EXE sounds like magic.. it must be a Windows package, yes? DOS to be more exact. Could you possibly Format FDisk one of the new portable USB2.0 drives, install DOS 6.2 on one partition and FreeBSD on another and take the server w/ you? Yes. the latest distribution of FreeBSD support USB 2.0? Depending on the MB yes or no. See the hardware notes for the release you whant to use. I'm dreamin' here but I am scrambling because XP is a can of worms and Longhorn will be worse. As I didn't / don't use FBSDBOOT.EXE I can not say much about it. You might what to review: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=37734 and the thead http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2003-July/001942.html As far as I know this utility is usefull on some older BIOSes that don't know LBA but could also be used to skip installing the MBR code (BootEasy, which I trust more). -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FIRST INSTALL QUESTION
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 21:58:55 -0800 ADSBANNERS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 20031129 LAS VEGAS NV 89102 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] SUBJECT: FIRST INSTALL QUESTION http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/ch5.html I purchased SAMS FreeBSD (4.7) in 24 Hours and everything is pretty clear, except there isn't any example (neither on freebsd.org) that precisely reflects my hardware configuration, namely.. Pentium II w/ orig 10GB HDD (now clean install WIN98SE) + 2d (HDD01) 40GB HDD which is not bootable, used only for backup (local and LAN). My updated hp Phoenix BIOS v 1.09 w/LBA support recognised the second hard drive w/o problem and it works fine. I was hoping that I could partition only the 2d hard drive and install the boot manager included on the CD (easy boot I guess) on the 2d hard drive, until I read the FAQs online that mentioned this boot manager uses the MBR - which must be located on the original, bootable hard drive (I have never used a boot manager unless Windows 98 Start-up Menu qualifies). You should install FreeBSD's boot manager (it's the easy way) on the firts disc (ad0) and on the disk on which you put FreeBSD. When booting it will promt you with something like: F1 DOS F5 Drive 2 If you'll choose F1 it will boot you win98 (and you will get here the Windows 98 Start-up Menu). If you'll choose F5 it will promt with something like: F1 DOS F2 FreeBSD F5 Drive 1 choose F2 to boot FreeBSD. man boot0cfg You might want do dig from the following link: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=boot0cfgapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+5.1-RELEASE+and+Portsformat=html The FreeBSD `boot0' boot manager permits the operator to select from which disk and slice an i386 machine (PC) is booted. Note that what are referred to here as ``slices'' are typically called ``partitions'' in non-BSD documentation relating to the PC. Typically, only non-removable disks are sliced. The boot0cfg utility optionally installs the `boot0' boot manager on the specified disk; and allows various operational parameters to be config- ured. On PCs, a boot manager typically occupies sector 0 of a disk, which is known as the Master Boot Record (MBR). The MBR contains both code (to which control is passed by the PC BIOS) and data (an embedded table of defined slices). But then I noticed a reference (link above) to booting from DOS using FBSDBOOT.EXE and that got me to wondering if I could just partition ½ of the 2d hard drive for FreeBSD, install FreeBSD on that partition Yes, you could. and then boot to it using the Windows 98 Start-up Menu / DOS. Nop. It work like this: 1. The BIOS loads the code from MBR of the boot disk. 2. The MBR choose (or promt you to choose) what to load next. 3. This is where Windows 98 Start-up Menu get the control. Would FBSDBOOT.EXE find the BSD partition on the 2d hard drive? Would I just locate FBSDBOOT.EXE on the Windows partition of the 2d hard drive? Of course I'm trying to avoid partitioning the orig hard drive w/ WIN98SE, and I'd like to use the slave hard drive for both WIN98 backup and FreeBSD. Thank you. Installing FreeBSD's boot manager wil not break anything on you win98 install and doe not presume repartitionig. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FIRST INSTALL QUESTION
SUBJECT: FIRST INSTALL QUESTION http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/multi-os/ch5.html I was hoping that I could partition only the 2d hard drive and install the boot manager included on the CD (easy boot I guess) on the 2d hard drive, until I read the FAQs online that mentioned this boot manager uses the MBR - which must be located on the original, bootable hard drive (I have never used a boot manager unless Windows 98 Start-up Menu qualifies). Just a little clarification here. Maybe that is all you need to figure it out. When the BIOS boots first, before anything on the disk gets going, it tries to hand control over to boot managers on its list of bootable devices. Usually nowdays that list is, in order: The floppy drive, the CD, the first hard drive. If it doesn't gind anything on the floppy, it goes to the CD, if it finds nothing there for booting, it goes to the HD. So, the first HD has to have something there to accept the handoff from the BIOS. This is the MBR. Generally a basic MBR, like the default one in FreeBSD does a couple of minor things and then looks for bootable slices. It looks at the boot block of each disk slice on each disk that it can talk with. It then gives you a menu and lets you select which of those slices to boot from. The default FreeBSD MBR is very functional but very basic. It only knows names for a few types of bootable slices. But, it can set up and hand off controll to any of them that follow standard boot brocedures - even if it doesn't have a name for it. When the MBR hands off control, the slice boot record takes over and continues booting - mainly brings in a kernel to get things really going. In FreeBSD this is done with two utilities. Fdisk not only makes the slices of a disk, but it also installs the MBR if told to and it marks slices as bootable or not. THen disklabel, divides the slices in to partitions and it also writes the boot record in to the slice if told to do so. This can all be done from the sysinstall utility during initial installation because it invokes these utilities when needed with the needed switches and parameters. All you have to do is tell it if the disk needs an MBR and if the slice should be bootable. Of course, if you have enough of a system running to boot at least to single user mode and run fdisk and disklabel yourself, you can run these as you please. This is especially so when you are setting up a second disk - possibly as some type of backup or development disk. Note that some sort of MBR that knows how to boot all the possible slice types (eg be able to hand of control to the slice boot block) must be on the first disk.If the WIn-98 MBR can boot the FreeBSD slice, then it is fine. I have heard that Win-98 won't do that. But, the FreeBSD MBR will boot the Win-98, Win-95, Win-XP, etc slices just as well as it does a FreeBSD slice. It just calls the Win-9x slices MSDOS and the XP unknown or something like that, but it works. jerry But then I noticed a reference (link above) to booting from DOS using FBSDBOOT.EXE and that got me to wondering if I could just partition ½ of the 2d hard drive for FreeBSD, install FreeBSD on that partition and then boot to it using the Windows 98 Start-up Menu / DOS. Would FBSDBOOT.EXE find the BSD partition on the 2d hard drive? Would I just locate FBSDBOOT.EXE on the Windows partition of the 2d hard drive? Of course I'm trying to avoid partitioning the orig hard drive w/ WIN98SE, and I'd like to use the slave hard drive for both WIN98 backup and FreeBSD. Thank you. --rs ~+ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
