Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
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Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 08:29:49PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote: Ajax Munroe wrote: ... Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. you can try knoppix or something like that (gnoppix, morphix). Knoppix is a live CD linux system - you just boot it off CD, it doesn't even touch you HD. It has fairly good HW auto-detection and fairly good software is already installed and ready to use. [if you want you can install it to HD] If you're interested in that kind of thing you could also try FreeSBIE from www.freesbie.org, which is a FreeBSD variant of the above. Ceri -- User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 22:52, Ajax Munroe wrote: I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. Not to be overly pedantic, but the name of this list is freebsd-questions, not freebsd-statements. 8) C. Ulrich -- http://bityard.net ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
FreeBSD is widely used as a server. Being such, hands on it are of administrators which prefer the way it is, as is. It shines over ALL in the use of command line. I think you would be much better off trying Linux Mandrake instead. Hello, I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time.I feel that im pretty literate when it comes to computers, which brings me to this: You people have to make a product that is just slightly more user friendly.Cant you think of a way to auto-mount your os like windows? Setting up your os is like trying to work your way through a jigsaw puzzle.(Windows even partitions your drive for you) If someone expects to challenge the makers of Windows they are going to have to come up with a user friendly system like Windows where you have an easy command format instead of what your trying to do. I mean come on, first you have to figure out what to partition the drive in because you dont explain any of this, then you have to mount everything,which is beyond the average users comprehension, then you have to figure out commands to pass along to the kernel..etc...etc...etc. With Windows all you do is stick in the disk and it's all pretty straight forward from there on out. Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. Your Friend; AJAX ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
On Monday 22 September 2003 10:52 pm, Ajax Munroe wrote: I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Well, you said it yourself; BSD is not for you. Being computer literate and being computer passionate are two different things. If I did not have so much fun in hacking through the system and getting everything set up the way I want, I would have stuck with Windows as well. Windows functions perfectly well as a home desktop; I just wanted more. BTW, how is copying an ISO image of FreeBSD to a CD harder than copying any other ISO to a CD? -- Todd Stephens ICQ# 3150790 A witty saying proves nothing. -Voltaire ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
- Original Message - From: Ajax Munroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft. Hello, I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time.I feel that im pretty literate when it comes to computers, which brings me to this: You people have to make a product that is just slightly more user friendly.Cant you think of a way to auto-mount your os like windows? Setting up your os is like trying to work your way through a jigsaw puzzle.(Windows even partitions your drive for you) If someone expects to challenge the makers of Windows they are going to have to come up with a user friendly system like Windows where you have an easy command format instead of what your trying to do. I mean come on, first you have to figure out what to partition the drive in because you dont explain any of this, then you have to mount everything,which is beyond the average users comprehension, then you have to figure out commands to pass along to the kernel..etc...etc...etc. With Windows all you do is stick in the disk and it's all pretty straight forward from there on out. Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. Your Friend; AJAX ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you download the iso image and burn it, it turns out as a bootable cd. As for the partitions, there is an option to autosize in the bottom menu (unless it's been removed in 5.x). Even with Windows and multiple drives, you have to tell it how large you want your partitions to be. FreeBSD is no different in this respect. For most users, 2 slices are all that is necessary. Root / and swap. Swap is generally 2 x the amount of system ram, the same as with Windows if you specify it and not allow Windows to control it. I will admit, FreeBSD isn't for everyone, and you need to understand it's basic function and be willing to learn more than you know when you start. I've ran Solaris, OpenBSD, NetBSD, work with AIX, Slackware Linux, Redhat Linux and a few others. I've always come back to FreeBSD because of it's simplicity in installation and ease of system configuration. Many of the other OS's that I've installed in my lifetime require you to know the actual disk geometry in order to partition it properly, or at least when I installed them they did. Meaning, if you didn't have the disk in your hands, you had to tear the system down to get the info. I'm not meaning to be insulting, but you'll probably find that anything other than Windows will require a bit of study before you attempt to install it. It's the nature of the beast. If you want to run a Windows server, it will cost you. If you want to run exchange as a mail service, that will be an additional cost. If you want to run a good quality, economical firewall for your network, that cost you. You want to run mssql, that will also cost you. These items are either included with the open source OS's or available as an addon and usually at no additional cost. It just depends on which way you're willing to go. In the end, you'll do one of two things, 1) spend some time with the available documentation and save yourself some money, or 2) spend that money on the necessary Windows addons to do the same job. Everyone that is in this list has made the same decision or is in the process of making that decision. The outcomes will vary depending on the individual and their needs and abilities. -- Micheal Patterson Network Administration Cancer Care Network ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
Ajax Munroe wrote: ... Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. you can try knoppix or something like that (gnoppix, morphix). Knoppix is a live CD linux system - you just boot it off CD, it doesn't even touch you HD. It has fairly good HW auto-detection and fairly good software is already installed and ready to use. [if you want you can install it to HD] erik ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
On Monday 22 September 2003 09:52 pm, Ajax Munroe wrote: Hello, I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time.I feel that im pretty literate when it comes to computers, which brings me to this: You people have to make a product that is just slightly more user friendly.Cant you think of a way to auto-mount your os like windows? Setting up your os is like trying to work your way through a jigsaw puzzle.(Windows even partitions your drive for you) If someone expects to challenge the makers of Windows they are going to have to come up with a user friendly system like Windows where you have an easy command format instead of what your trying to do. I mean come on, first you have to figure out what to partition the drive in because you dont explain any of this, then you have to mount everything,which is beyond the average users comprehension, then you have to figure out commands to pass along to the kernel..etc...etc...etc. With Windows all you do is stick in the disk and it's all pretty straight forward from there on out. Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. Your Friend; AJAX I think you've missed a very important point: Each OS has a strategic emphasis. MS Windows emphasizes user friendliness, even to the detriment of stability and security. Its targeted users include people who are barely computer literate. FreeBSD is still, primarily, a server OS. Its developers and users emphasize stability, robustness and security more than user friendliness. Its targeted users include people who are willing/eager to learn about the guts of the OS. Your way is not the only way. If you're looking for a new OS that emphasizes easy use, buy a MacIntosh with OS X. Have a great day! Andrew Gould ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
Did you download the ISO to make the installer? ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/ i'd suggest that you browse this first before you try the installation... http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html with regards to the partitioning of the hard disk if you are kinda lazy to define the partitions just use the option that will make the fdisk set the auto-defaults but this is sometimes not a recommended option though. hope this helps... :) - Original Message - From: Ajax Munroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 9:52 PM Subject: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft. Hello, I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time.I feel that im pretty literate when it comes to computers, which brings me to this: You people have to make a product that is just slightly more user friendly.Cant you think of a way to auto-mount your os like windows? Setting up your os is like trying to work your way through a jigsaw puzzle.(Windows even partitions your drive for you) If someone expects to challenge the makers of Windows they are going to have to come up with a user friendly system like Windows where you have an easy command format instead of what your trying to do. I mean come on, first you have to figure out what to partition the drive in because you dont explain any of this, then you have to mount everything,which is beyond the average users comprehension, then you have to figure out commands to pass along to the kernel..etc...etc...etc. With Windows all you do is stick in the disk and it's all pretty straight forward from there on out. Please, if you could just tell me of one of your systems thats a little more user friendly I would love to use it, and tell all my friends about it too so that they can spread the word about the new operating system thats fun and easy to use. Your Friend; AJAX ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Get your free E-Mail account at WWW.DIGITELONE.COM ** ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Ajax Munroe wrote: I dont have a question but I would like to make a statement. I downloaded Freebsd version 5.0 release and unpacked it in great anticipation. I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Why isn't it? It's the same as burning any other bootable CD, check the docs for your CD software if you had any problems. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time.I feel that im pretty literate when it comes to computers, which brings me to this: You people have to make a product that is just slightly more user friendly.Cant you think of a way to auto-mount your os like windows? Everytime I've installed it it has. Setting up your os is like trying to work your way through a jigsaw puzzle.(Windows even partitions your drive for you) If someone expects to challenge the makers of Windows they are going to have to come up with a user friendly system like Windows where you have an easy command format instead of what your trying to do. So does FreeBSD, however unlike Windows it doesn't chauvinistically presume you will bJe devoting the whole hard drive to it unless you tell it to. FreeBSD is designed to work equally well on either a single computer or an entire network and adjusts it's file system to accomodate that. Just hit A for auto and it does the partitioning for you. I mean come on, first you have to figure out what to partition the drive in because you dont explain any of this, then you have to mount everything,which is beyond the average users comprehension, then you have to figure out commands to pass along to the kernel..etc...etc...etc. With Windows all you do is stick in the disk and it's all pretty straight forward from there on out. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook explains everything the average user needs to know about FreeBSD in far more in-depth and user-friendly form than any other free documentation for any OS I have ever seen. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ajax Munroe Sent: September 22, 2003 10:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FreeBSD,Linux and any other os besides Microsoft. Hello, *snipped* Your Friend; AJAX Don't let familiarity blur your judgement. FreeBSD's installation is probably one of the easiest in the *nix world. I've setup a few linux machines, openbsd machines and freebsd machines so I've personally dealt with them all. I don't find it to be much more complicated than the windows 2000 install at all. The issue here is that you're so used to the windows 2000 installation, and the way it goes about doing things that anything else seems odd, and wrong. I know - I felt the same way the first time I tried to install FreeBSD. We're creatures of habit you know. All the other arguments brought forth by other list members I am absolutely in agreement with. User-friendliness comes at a price. *mumbles something about RPC on Windows machines* You said, I made a bootable CD (the best I could, It's not as easy as making a bootable windows CD) put the cd in my rom and found that BSD is not for me. Look, Im not trying to put BSD down or anything, I would love to have it on my computer fully working so that I could use something other than Windows! Im by no means bored with Windows, I find new and exciting things out with it all the time. I sincerely doubt you'd make a statement like this not wanting to put down FreeBSD right where you'll find its most loyal followers, but I won't engage in that sort of argument - I don't like giving people that satisfaction. I'm confused about the statement regarding the ease of making a bootable windows CD. Quite honestly, I think you are too. Legally you can't make a windows installation CD. You have to buy one. Creating a disc from an iso (or bin/cue - for an illegal windows disc) is a pretty brain-dead type of function. Lastly, where's the fun in putting in a CD and walking away for coffee, and having a system that works when you return? Knowing how to do that doesn't necessarily mean you are computer literate. The beauty of open-source is the fact that you feel this sense of accomplishment after setting something up because it's more hands-on. An analogy would be the guy who buys a Ferrari, but has no idea about the internals - and probably doesn't know how to drive it fast anyway Vs the guy who buys a cheap little hatchback (say a golf) and modifies things here and there, gets a hands-on feeling about it and turns it into a machine that can do laps (likely) faster than someone who doesn't drive as well in a Ferrari. I prefer to be the latter of the two. Others prefer the approach of the former. To each his own. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
