Re: FreeBSD is #1
Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim On 6/12/06, Danial Thom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) --- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this on Netcraft and thought I'd share it: Six Hosting Companies Most Reliable Hoster in May. Six hosting companies share the top spot this month, with INetU, Hostway, IPower, New York Internet, Pair Networks andTiscali all sharing the top spot as the most reliable hosting company site this month. The six-way tie is a first for the reliability survey, as three and even four providers have shared the top position in the past. The showing reflects a strong month for hosting reliability, as the winners each had just 0.01 percent of their DNS responses fail, just a hair short of a perfect showing. All six companies have finished atop the survey at least once previously. It was a particularly good month for providers hosting their home page on FreeBSD, four of whom (INetU, iPowerWeb, NY Internet and Pair Networks) shared the top spot with two hosts on Linux (Hostway and Tiscali). Overall, five Linux sites are found in the top 10 this month, four on FreeBSD and one on Windows. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/06/06/six_hosting_companies_most_reliable_hoster_in_may.html Way to go FreeBSD!! Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On 6/12/06, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim What do you mean 5.x? FreeBSD never made 5.x. They went straight from 4 to 6 like everybody else. :-) Netscape 4 = 6 Linux 2.4 = 2.6 FreeBSD 4 = 6 It's a good thing we don't let computers pick version numbers, you might end up with FreeBSD 5.5 +/- sqrt(.36). -- BSD Podcasts @: http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ http://freebsdforall.blogspot.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
--- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 12 June 2006 16:06, Danial Thom wrote: --- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. While trying to introduce FreeBSD into a Micro$oft only house, I've heard the following many times: Never heard of FreeBSD and Show me some documentation and stats. Regardless of the actual version, the stats are accurate for those providers. They reflect overall uptime and connectivity. This isn't about version, it's about FreeBSD gaining a firmer foothold in a Micro$oft / Linux dominant world. Personally, I'll take all the help I can get. 'nuff said, Beech I couldn't disagree more. OS versions are like wine vintages. You can't proclaim that a '01 vintage of a wine is also great because a '99 got a great review. With FreeBSD, its even a bigger difference. The kernel is being torn apart to accommodate MP, and you have quite a different development team. DragonflyBSD is based on FreeBSD 4.x also, just as the current FreeBSD is based on 4.11, but you have 2 completely different animals in the making. Of couse you can trick stupid managers with such things, if that's your agenda. But you have a different problem in the commercial world. You can put an ad in the paper and get someone who knows how to administer an MS box (maybe competent), but for FreeBSD forget it. You can't staff an IT dept with FreeBSD gurus. And you can't just switch to FreeBSD because 1 guy in the dept happens to have some experience with it, because all of the other guys become dead wood (if they're not that already). Thats the big problem with getting penetration. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Tuesday 13 June 2006 08:53, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 6/12/06, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, FreeBSD is #1 to me because it is the most painless operating system I've ever used... Ignoring the 5.x installer. Never used pre-5.x -Jim What do you mean 5.x? FreeBSD never made 5.x. They went straight from 4 to 6 like everybody else. :-) Netscape 4 = 6 Linux 2.4 = 2.6 FreeBSD 4 = 6 It's a good thing we don't let computers pick version numbers, you might end up with FreeBSD 5.5 +/- sqrt(.36). As much as I hate to continue this off-topic thread, I couldn't help but notice a glaring exclusion in your list: IPv4 = IPv6 JN ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) --- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this on Netcraft and thought I'd share it: Six Hosting Companies Most Reliable Hoster in May. Six hosting companies share the top spot this month, with INetU, Hostway, IPower, New York Internet, Pair Networks andTiscali all sharing the top spot as the most reliable hosting company site this month. The six-way tie is a first for the reliability survey, as three and even four providers have shared the top position in the past. The showing reflects a strong month for hosting reliability, as the winners each had just 0.01 percent of their DNS responses fail, just a hair short of a perfect showing. All six companies have finished atop the survey at least once previously. It was a particularly good month for providers hosting their home page on FreeBSD, four of whom (INetU, iPowerWeb, NY Internet and Pair Networks) shared the top spot with two hosts on Linux (Hostway and Tiscali). Overall, five Linux sites are found in the top 10 this month, four on FreeBSD and one on Windows. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/06/06/six_hosting_companies_most_reliable_hoster_in_may.html Way to go FreeBSD!! Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris pgp3Ibgo80nS3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Monday 12 June 2006 13:36, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) --- Beech Rintoul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this on Netcraft and thought I'd share it: Six Hosting Companies Most Reliable Hoster in May. Six hosting companies share the top spot this month, with INetU, Hostway, IPower, New York Internet, Pair Networks andTiscali all sharing the top spot as the most reliable hosting company site this month. The six-way tie is a first for the reliability survey, as three and even four providers have shared the top position in the past. The showing reflects a strong month for hosting reliability, as the winners each had just 0.01 percent of their DNS responses fail, just a hair short of a perfect showing. All six companies have finished atop the survey at least once previously. It was a particularly good month for providers hosting their home page on FreeBSD, four of whom (INetU, iPowerWeb, NY Internet and Pair Networks) shared the top spot with two hosts on Linux (Hostway and Tiscali). Overall, five Linux sites are found in the top 10 this month, four on FreeBSD and one on Windows. http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2006/06/06/six_hosting_companies_most_rel iable_hoster_in_may.html Way to go FreeBSD!! Beech Regardless of which version they're running, these kind of stats are invaluable when you're trying to convince some clueless manager that you want to switch their NT4 or 2K server to FreeBSD. --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- pgpYXXXlUj7cl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD is #1
--- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Monday 12 June 2006 16:06, Danial Thom wrote: --- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. While trying to introduce FreeBSD into a Micro$oft only house, I've heard the following many times: Never heard of FreeBSD and Show me some documentation and stats. Regardless of the actual version, the stats are accurate for those providers. They reflect overall uptime and connectivity. This isn't about version, it's about FreeBSD gaining a firmer foothold in a Micro$oft / Linux dominant world. Personally, I'll take all the help I can get. 'nuff said, Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com --- pgp87JOVTw8IN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FreeBSD is #1
On Jun 12, 2006, at 6:06 PM, Danial Thom wrote: --- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. We're small but we're running 6.0/6.1 plus a couple of Solaris 10 machines for specific purposes. Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FreeBSD is #1
While trying to introduce FreeBSD into a Micro$oft only house, I've heard the following many times: Never heard of FreeBSD and Show me some documentation and stats. Regardless of the actual version, the stats are accurate for those providers. They reflect overall uptime and connectivity. This isn't about version, it's about FreeBSD gaining a firmer foothold in a Micro$oft / Linux dominant world. Personally, I'll take all the help I can get. 'nuff said, Beech Here we try to offer the FreeBSD to the concorrents of the house... as the concorrents now have less cost, more reliable servers, and a good group/collaborative server running on FreeBSD 6.X.. htp://www.open-xchange.org they still can use the corporate software (via terminal server, rdesktop)... now they use internet (epiphany) email (evolution, linked with the open-xchange server) office (via openoffice 2.0.2) about 1200 thin clients (64Mb memory, 400mhz geode cpu...) and about 6 FreeBSD servers... soon they will have to rethink next year budget... it will be impossible to change 400 or more computers to 64 bit architeture for run next Microsoft vista... at about 1000 dollars (or more) for a hardware + software upgrade Only an upgrade of the Microsoft exchange server how much will cost??? Well the concorrent of the same business have it running now, on the laptops... running FreeBSD, gnome 2.15 with hal - http://www.freedesktop.org How much does this all cost??? about 50 dollars/user/year.. including training... An average user (the less he know windows, better) is able to use the full power of the system with about 3 hours of trying... 90% of the users have been using the system with only the help from the neighbors ... Only the best ones (those who earn more salary, because have many curses from microsoft) were still looking for the C drive, or the outlook to use email... a day or two after... I know that there are advertyzing... in the news telling that using Microsoft is cheaper and better is up to you to believe... Here we used to say that Microsoft builds full informational computerized tables a table where you can scan, print, produce document, some work, play music, video, some games... But a bunch (no mather what is the number of...) tables does not means an informated company... I came from SUN... where the computer is the network... when i need something I get from the network... Why do I need a printer driver what is a C drive??? what is a zip??? how can a teen ager in a high school in another part of the world can spoil my computer??? why do I need to pay for protection??? Here in my country is illegal... All I want do to is to do my job... Lenzi ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FreeBSD is #1
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danial Thom Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:06 PM To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Beech Rintoul Subject: Re: FreeBSD is #1 --- Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:36:24PM -0700, Danial Thom wrote: Freebsd 4.x no doubt :) At this point FreeBSD 6.x has had way more intensive stress testing and QA by the project than 4.x did. It is stable. Kris I'm not saying that its not, only that I know a lot of ISPs and more of them are running 4 than 6. In fact I know exactly 0 running 6. So proclaiming that Freebsd is #1 without qualifying what version they are running doesn't really say anything. We are running 6 on our news and radius server. In fact we are gradually switching over to 6.1 for a lot of things. But it takes a huge amount of time to move to new platforms, and it is not something your customers pay you for doing. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 5, 2005 2:53 AM, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:46, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 9:54 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too Standard ftpd runs through inetd. PS Does sftp mean sshd + ftpd ? Nope. It's a subsystem of sshd, its client interface only resembles ftp just as scp resembles rcp. i that case i dont need ftpd :) so i change my vote to leave all the insecurity in one big insecure inetd server :) Should we load /sbin/init via inetd :)? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:46, Gert Cuykens wrote: Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too Standard ftpd runs through inetd. It *can* run as a daemon, without inetd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Best wishes, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Best wishes, Andrew P. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Wishes, Andrew P. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
On Apr 4, 2005 9:54 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too PS Does sftp mean sshd + ftpd ? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:46, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 9:54 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too Standard ftpd runs through inetd. PS Does sftp mean sshd + ftpd ? Nope. It's a subsystem of sshd, its client interface only resembles ftp just as scp resembles rcp. Dan (please don't CC me) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd disc 1
On Apr 5, 2005 2:53 AM, Danny Pansters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 05 April 2005 00:46, Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 9:54 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: On Apr 4, 2005 12:04 PM, Andrew P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gert Cuykens wrote: Who do i ask if he / she would like to put this to the distribution list [ ] cvsupdate-nogui Cant we make some user freebsd-voting list were we can vote for changes :) Come to think about it, I kinda miss this option, too. Alrighdy thats 2 votes already :) I say we go to the california and go run in circles holding a cvsup pannel :) BTW, I'd also vote for /etc/rc.d/ftpd script Is the only way to setup a ftp by enabeling inetd ? If so i want a /etc/rc.d/ftpd script too Standard ftpd runs through inetd. PS Does sftp mean sshd + ftpd ? Nope. It's a subsystem of sshd, its client interface only resembles ftp just as scp resembles rcp. i that case i dont need ftpd :) so i change my vote to leave all the insecurity in one big insecure inetd server :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
