Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-15 Thread krad
On 14 February 2011 23:55, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:32:30PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: From what I understand (a quick review of wikipedia helps :), modern flash cards are now typically rated for 100K writes, include ECC bits to actually correct or at

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-14 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:10:47 -0800, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: But for users who do not wish to learn anything ... the Microsoft Way fits the bill. ^ Of course. It's his company. But does it fit anyone

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-14 Thread David Brodbeck
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: Agreed. I posted my short experience of using an SSD as a workstation drive and I'd be interested in hearing the experience of any other users. Problems? Praise? Let's hear it. While not quite a workstation application, in

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-14 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi-- On Feb 14, 2011, at 3:17 PM, David Brodbeck wrote: I would be curious to hear stories from people who actually *have* run into SSD failures related to write limitations. I've heard a lot of speculation but no actual anecdotes. I'm sure they're out there; but I also know people are more

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-14 Thread Chad Perrin
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:32:30PM -0800, Chuck Swiger wrote: From what I understand (a quick review of wikipedia helps :), modern flash cards are now typically rated for 100K writes, include ECC bits to actually correct or at least detect errors and try to remap bad blocks to unused blocks,

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: I fail to understand why manufacturers would let people install SSDs on machines when their life is so much in question. I fail to see why a

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:53:18AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right? Chad, on the Desktop, I'd rather run the ratware from Redmond than try FreeBSD!

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 02:23:53 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com articulated: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:53:18AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: You'd surely be happier with a better OS on it, though -- right?

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor clone of Office 97. The newly released libreoffice might be usable someday; however, it is now only in

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Bloat is a purely subjective term. It's not. What one user considers bloat could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless N

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 +, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: For some, Office is unusable due to the new Ribbon interface and libreoffice is the usable office suite due to its familiar menus. Users who have already used PCs are familiar with the menu technique of functionality

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has spewed for over 10 years, OpenOffice is nothing more than a poor clone of Office 97.

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Polytropon
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500, Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:58:05 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: New, as in four years old? That is one of the worst straw man arguments I have heard in a while. In any case, In 2008 OpenOffice.org started the project Renaissance to improve the user interface of OpenOffice. So far

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:38:01AM -0500, Jerry wrote: Bloat is a purely subjective term. What one user considers bloat could very well be a requirement for another use. For example, while you might consider it bloat to have drivers for modern wireless N protocol cards, many other users have

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Modulok
So... how about those solid state drives... yup. -Modulok- On 2/13/11, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 07:38:01AM -0500, Jerry wrote: Bloat is a purely subjective term. What one user considers bloat could very well be a requirement for another use. For example,

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: Despite all of the rubbish the FOSS community has spewed for over 10

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Maxim Khitrov
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 08:58:05AM -0500, Jerry wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 13:10:51 + Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk articulated: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:38:01 -0500 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote:

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Bruce Cran
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the efficacy of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS quite a lot, and know that problems arise -- and that, unlike with open source OSes, it's

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Frank Shute
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from people with first-hand experience in running such setup. - Max Agreed. I posted my short

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from people with

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
On 13.02.2011 19:50, Adam Vande More wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Chad Perrin on Sunday, 13 February 2011: OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice offer functionality MS Office does not, just as MS Office offers functionality they do not. Different people have different needs, and those office suites serve slightly different needs. On the other hand,

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chip Camden
Quoth Bruce Cran on Sunday, 13 February 2011: On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:42:54 -0700 Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: There's no use pretending MS Windows never has issues with the efficacy of its autoconfiguration. Most of us have used that OS quite a lot, and know that problems

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:05:51PM -0500, Maxim Khitrov wrote: Can you guys please take Microsoft bashing elsewhere? This thread is about FreeBSD and SSDs - a topic I'd like to hear more about from people with first-hand experience in running such setup. Perhaps responding to the FreeBSD

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:29:15AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: But for users who do not wish to learn anything and who want to use their computer the same way they use their DVD player or their electric toothbrush, the Microsoft Way fits the bill. I think you're being too kind to the

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:10:26AM -0800, Chip Camden wrote: Hey, I just found out that libreoffice can open all those old .WRI files that MS Office no longer recognizes! Thanks for the tip! My pleasure. I bet it doesn't have the old Windows Write memory leak, either -- which, by the way,

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-13 Thread perryh
Chip Camden sterl...@camdensoftware.com wrote: But for users who do not wish to learn anything ... the Microsoft Way fits the bill. ^ Of course. It's his company. But does it fit anyone else? ;-) ___

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Dave
On 11 Feb 2011 at 13:33, Adam Vande More wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Ignoring the TRIM issue for a moment . . . You're probably best off saving SSD storage for cases where you have lots of reads and little to no write activity,

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Adam Vande More
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Define a *lot*. If you look up the spec's on the common (currently) available SSD systems, it's only in the 10's of 1000's writes. Pittiful compared to magnetic media. Chances are on many setups, by the time you've

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Define a *lot*. If you look up the spec's on the common (currently) available SSD systems, it's only in the 10's of 1000's writes. Pittiful

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Frank Shute
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote: Define a *lot*. If you look up the spec's on the common (currently)

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 6:14 AM, Dave d...@g8kbv.demon.co.uk wrote:

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Polytropon
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:54:19 +, Frank Shute fr...@shute.org.uk wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: Should I stop and buy a SATA disk?:) No you shouldn't but you should run FreeBSD on it ;) What else should one run?! ;-) All I know is that

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-12 Thread Chad Perrin
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 07:12:08PM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote: I fail to understand why manufacturers would let people install SSDs on machines when their life is so much in question. I fail to see why a manufacturer would *not* want your hardware to wear out faster, since that would

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Vereshagin
Nothing to do oh, freebsd-questions stay in bat! 2011/02/11 09:40:37 + Paul Macdonald p...@ifdnrg.com = To FreeBSD Mailing List : PM I'd be interested to here peoples opinions on best uses for SSD, general PM purpose applications such as databases , webservers etc will benefit PM

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-11 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:40:37AM +, Paul Macdonald wrote: I'd be interested to here peoples opinions on best uses for SSD, general purpose applications such as databases , webservers etc will benefit obviously, but i'm also curious as to disk intensive applications such as

Re: FreeBSD and SSD drives

2011-02-11 Thread Adam Vande More
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: Ignoring the TRIM issue for a moment . . . You're probably best off saving SSD storage for cases where you have lots of reads and little to no write activity, unless you enjoy buying new SSDs a lot. Actually, let's not