Re: freebsd-stable/release?

[Rick Miller]

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Pol Hallen  wrote:
> Hi all :-)
>
> quick question: for a production server, what it best way?

I've done work with organizations that will not install anything that
is considered a development branch, of which stable/ is.  Therefore,
for production environments, those organizations will only install
-RELEASE or releng/ releases.  It comes down to a decision you and/or
your organization must make and that decision will be based on a
risk/reward analysis.

Hope that helps.

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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Paul Macdonald]

On 25/07/2012 13:13, Jerry wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:19:53 +0200
Damien Fleuriot articulated:


I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.

We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.

I've recently installed 9-STABLE servers to try them out and fill PRs
if I get problems.

I would encourage you to use 9-STABLE so that you may do the same and
ensure the stability of future releases.

I would agree with that philosophy up to a point. It is definitely a
matter of personal preference; however, for myself, I NEVER install
version X.0 of any software if said software is to be used in a mission
critical situation. I always wait until X.1 is released. If possible in
your case, would it be feasible to wait until 9.1 is released? You
can gather some info on it here:
. As usual, any
correlation between the expected release date and the actual date is
purely coincidental. Just my 2¢ on the matter.



not disagreeing per se..but just a reminder that with the excellent 
freebsd-update you get updates to 9.0 quickly ( i hadn't realised there 
was 61 already)


from a new install earlier tonight

Inspecting system... done.
Preparing to download files... done.
Fetching 61 patches.102030405060 done.

Paul.



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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Wojciech Puchar]

I finally decided to take off my FreeBSD 7.2 server which is onlin esince 2009.

I will go for a new FreeBSD version and will move out all data.

you mean just new freebsd or new server? if first there is no need to move 
data at all



Which version do you recommend?
Shall I go for 9 ?
or 8.3 is still more fit for a production and bsns server ?

i use 8.3

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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Jakub Lach]

8.3 or 9.1.

Using 9.0 when 9.1 is behind the corner
is going backwards IMHO.

or 9-STABLE if you want your system
evolving up to release, which is nice 
because you can catch and solve all
possible problems one at the time, 
and not be overwhelmed upgrading
only to RELEASE.



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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Erich Dollansky]

Hi,

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:19:53 +0200
Damien Fleuriot  wrote:

> On 7/25/12 1:13 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote:
> > 
> > Hello all and Good Morning, Afternoon or evening :)
> >  
> >  I finally decided to take off my FreeBSD 7.2 server which is onlin
> > esince 2009. 
> >  I will go for a new FreeBSD version and will move out all data.
> >  
> >  My Server is mainly is a MAIL server, sendmail.
> >  and ofcourse few websites, data.etc..
> >  
> >  Which version do you recommend? 
> >  Shall I go for 9 ?
> >  or 8.3 is still more fit for a production and bsns server ?
> >  
> 
> 
> I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.
> 
> We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.
> 
I do not wonder. This is the best choice.

But I must say that I moved my machines now all to 10 and I am
surprised how robust it already is.

If robustness is the main concern, I would still recommend 8.x.

Erich
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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Odhiambo Washington]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote:

>
> Well, I also like your philosophy of waiting x.1 !
> its a very good point.
>
> Maybe 8.3-R would be the best.
>
> I will wait to hear more comments.
>
>
For cowards, yes!

Whoever said that -RELEASE is bad is a joker, too.

Now, what the hell do you think can go so wrong on a Mail server running
Sendmail and Apache?

Network stack??



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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Damien Fleuriot]

While I participate in this philosophy, a very good point was made on
this list that if everyone waits for x.1 , then x.1 will just be riddled
with all the bugs that nobody (or only a select few) found in x.0

That is the point that decided me to get 9-STABLE for 2 of our new
firewall boxes.


On 7/25/12 2:24 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote:
> 
> Well, I also like your philosophy of waiting x.1 !
> its a very good point.
>  
> Maybe 8.3-R would be the best.
>  
> I will wait to hear more comments.
>  
> 
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:13:28 -0400
>> From: je...@seibercom.net
>> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
>> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:19:53 +0200
>> Damien Fleuriot articulated:
>>
>>> I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.
>>>
>>> We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.
>>>
>>> I've recently installed 9-STABLE servers to try them out and fill PRs
>>> if I get problems.
>>>
>>> I would encourage you to use 9-STABLE so that you may do the same and
>>> ensure the stability of future releases.
>>
>> I would agree with that philosophy up to a point. It is definitely a
>> matter of personal preference; however, for myself, I NEVER install
>> version X.0 of any software if said software is to be used in a mission
>> critical situation. I always wait until X.1 is released. If possible in
>> your case, would it be feasible to wait until 9.1 is released? You
>> can gather some info on it here:
>> <http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html>. As usual, any
>> correlation between the expected release date and the actual date is
>> purely coincidental. Just my 2¢ on the matter.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jerry ♔
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>>
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> 
> 
> 
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RE: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Marwan Sultan]

Well, I also like your philosophy of waiting x.1 !
its a very good point.
 
Maybe 8.3-R would be the best.
 
I will wait to hear more comments.
 

> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:13:28 -0400
> From: je...@seibercom.net
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.
> 
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:19:53 +0200
> Damien Fleuriot articulated:
> 
> > I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.
> > 
> > We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.
> > 
> > I've recently installed 9-STABLE servers to try them out and fill PRs
> > if I get problems.
> > 
> > I would encourage you to use 9-STABLE so that you may do the same and
> > ensure the stability of future releases.
> 
> I would agree with that philosophy up to a point. It is definitely a
> matter of personal preference; however, for myself, I NEVER install
> version X.0 of any software if said software is to be used in a mission
> critical situation. I always wait until X.1 is released. If possible in
> your case, would it be feasible to wait until 9.1 is released? You
> can gather some info on it here:
> <http://www.freebsd.org/releases/9.1R/schedule.html>. As usual, any
> correlation between the expected release date and the actual date is
> purely coincidental. Just my 2¢ on the matter.
> 
> -- 
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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Jerry]

On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:19:53 +0200
Damien Fleuriot articulated:

> I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.
> 
> We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.
> 
> I've recently installed 9-STABLE servers to try them out and fill PRs
> if I get problems.
> 
> I would encourage you to use 9-STABLE so that you may do the same and
> ensure the stability of future releases.

I would agree with that philosophy up to a point. It is definitely a
matter of personal preference; however, for myself, I NEVER install
version X.0 of any software if said software is to be used in a mission
critical situation. I always wait until X.1 is released. If possible in
your case, would it be feasible to wait until 9.1 is released? You
can gather some info on it here:
. As usual, any
correlation between the expected release date and the actual date is
purely coincidental. Just my 2¢ on the matter.

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Re: FreeBSD Stable production version.

[Damien Fleuriot]

On 7/25/12 1:13 PM, Marwan Sultan wrote:
> 
> Hello all and Good Morning, Afternoon or evening :)
>  
>  I finally decided to take off my FreeBSD 7.2 server which is onlin esince 
> 2009.
>  
>  I will go for a new FreeBSD version and will move out all data.
>  
>  My Server is mainly is a MAIL server, sendmail.
>  and ofcourse few websites, data.etc..
>  
>  Which version do you recommend? 
>  Shall I go for 9 ?
>  or 8.3 is still more fit for a production and bsns server ?
>  


I'd say it's a matter of personal preference.

We're mostly running 8.3 in production here.


I've recently installed 9-STABLE servers to try them out and fill PRs if
I get problems.


I would encourage you to use 9-STABLE so that you may do the same and
ensure the stability of future releases.

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Re: FreeBSD Stable Image

[Julian H. Stacey]

Hi,
Reference:
> From: Mike Barnard  
> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 09:32:39 +0300 
> Message-id:   
>  

Mike Barnard wrote:
> On 29 March 2012 19:22, Matthew Seaman  wrote:
> 
> > On 29/03/2012 17:18, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > > On 29/03/2012 17:10, Mike Barnard wrote:
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Any one know where I can get a FreeBSD-9.0-STABLE ISO/IMG image?
> > >>
> > >> ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/
> > >>
> > >> That path does not seem to have it.
> > >>
> > >
> > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
> >
> > Errr... except of course that is -RELEASE and you asked for -STABLE.  I
> > don't believe there's a 9.0-STABLE snapshot available at freebsd.org
> > right now.  Instead, try one from here:
> >
> >
> > ftp://ftp.allbsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-snapshots/amd64-amd64/9.0-RELENG_9-20120329-JPSNAP/
> >
> > There's a new snapshot available there pretty much daily.
> >
> 
> Thanks Matthew.
> 
> I do recall downloading a STABLE ISO a while back, make that a few years
> back. It was a 7.0-STABLE image. I guess they are not there any more :-(

With advent of 9 release, various paths that had a single i386 or
amd64 etc in, now have a double set in the path name.
But all the old 8,7,6 etc paths retain use of single $ARCH.
Other than that I dont think there's been other path name changes.

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Re: FreeBSD Stable Image

[Mike Barnard]

On 29 March 2012 19:22, Matthew Seaman  wrote:

> On 29/03/2012 17:18, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> > On 29/03/2012 17:10, Mike Barnard wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Any one know where I can get a FreeBSD-9.0-STABLE ISO/IMG image?
> >>
> >> ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/
> >>
> >> That path does not seem to have it.
> >>
> >
> > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
>
> Errr... except of course that is -RELEASE and you asked for -STABLE.  I
> don't believe there's a 9.0-STABLE snapshot available at freebsd.org
> right now.  Instead, try one from here:
>
>
> ftp://ftp.allbsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-snapshots/amd64-amd64/9.0-RELENG_9-20120329-JPSNAP/
>
> There's a new snapshot available there pretty much daily.
>

Thanks Matthew.

I do recall downloading a STABLE ISO a while back, make that a few years
back. It was a 7.0-STABLE image. I guess they are not there any more :-(



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Re: FreeBSD Stable Image

[Matthew Seaman]

On 29/03/2012 17:18, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 29/03/2012 17:10, Mike Barnard wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Any one know where I can get a FreeBSD-9.0-STABLE ISO/IMG image?
>>
>> ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/
>>
>> That path does not seem to have it.
>>
> 
> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/

Errr... except of course that is -RELEASE and you asked for -STABLE.  I
don't believe there's a 9.0-STABLE snapshot available at freebsd.org
right now.  Instead, try one from here:

ftp://ftp.allbsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-snapshots/amd64-amd64/9.0-RELENG_9-20120329-JPSNAP/

There's a new snapshot available there pretty much daily.

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD Stable Image

[Matthew Seaman]

On 29/03/2012 17:10, Mike Barnard wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Any one know where I can get a FreeBSD-9.0-STABLE ISO/IMG image?
> 
> ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-stable/
> 
> That path does not seem to have it.
> 

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/

Cheers,

Matthew

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Re: FreeBSD-STABLE: How do I change my Local IP Address statically?

[Wojciech Puchar]

My IP Address on my FreeBSD Server 4.11-STABLE keeps changing. What I need


saying "My" suggest you are administrator - so you (your script/program) 
changes IP. so you know what it is.


please more precisely specify your question

OK sorry i didn't read carefully.

you need ifconfig and route to set IP and default route
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Re: FreeBSD-STABLE: How do I change my Local IP Address statically?

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:16:35 -0800, "Mike Price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My IP Address on my FreeBSD Server 4.11-STABLE keeps changing. What I
> need to do is find the file or command to change it statically.

Network configuration is saved in `/etc/rc.conf' in FreeBSD.  Before you
make any changes to that file, however, make sure that:

(1) You have a safe backup copy of this file.

(2) You have read and understood the relevant parts of the FreeBSD
Handbook.  Pay special attention to ``Setting Up Network
Interface Cards'':


http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html

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Re: FreeBSD-STABLE: How do I change my Local IP Address statically?

[Wojciech Puchar]

My IP Address on my FreeBSD Server 4.11-STABLE keeps changing. What I need


saying "My" suggest you are administrator - so you (your script/program) 
changes IP. so you know what it is.


please more precisely specify your question
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Re: FreeBSD Stable

[Chuck Swiger]

On Jan 17, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Sean Hulbert wrote:

I am trying to download FreeBSD stable.
All I get is a cvsups file.  I need to download the ISO to my winbox  
then burn it to CD.


Is there a program or link to the direct ISO that will allow me to  
download it.


See http://www.freebsd.org/where.html

...right now, the following is the 32-bit x86 version of 6-STABLE that  
is probably going to become 6.3-RELEASE shortly:


  ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.3/

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Re: FreeBSD STABLE, CURRENT and upgrading

[Nikolas Britton]

Oliver Fuchs wrote:
Hi All,
I am using FreeBSD since 5.2 RELEASE and I am now running 5.2.1 RELEASE.
I upgraded between the two versions from scratch that means I backuped
the main configuration files and directories (like home), deleted the
old version, installed the new one and reconfigured the whole system.
As I see 5.3 is now coming up so I want to avoid this procedure.
I have read the handbook, the FAQs and Greg Lehey's book 'The complete
FreeBSD'.But I am still quite unsure/confused about some aspects of FreeBSD
philosophy.
1) CURRENT and STABLE
As I read in the FAQS there are two main development branches: STABLE
and CURRENT. At the moment the 4-STABLE is the STABLE-branch and the
5-CURRENT is the current brunch up to the point where it gets STABLE (I
think it is 5.3). Then the CURRENT branch will change to 6?
Is that right.
Right... as of a few days ago 5-CURRENT is now 5-STABLE, CURRENT (HEAD) 
is now 6.

Then FreeBSD would have two STABLE branches (4 and 5) so what will then
be the difference between them? Or will the 4 branch be ended?
So I am not quiet sure about this terminology.
The difference? a whole lot of stuff.  Eventually 4.x will be "phased 
out" in favor of 5.x but we have awial before this happens.

2) Updating 5.2.1
As far as I understood there are three parts of the system that have to
be upgraded:
kernel
userland
ports
So to do the first two ones I am going to use sysinstall (I use a slow
internet connection so I have to by the CDs with binary collection).
After userland and kernel have been upgraded I need to upgrade my
prts/packages. 
Therefore I copy my binary packages (from the CDs) to 
/usr/ports/packages/All and first run 
portversion 
and then
portupgrade -P

Is this all for now?
3) Get the latest security patches/packages
On the FreeBSD security page I have read about three 
security patches for the 5.2.1 RELAESE. They only affected the kernel.
Running freebsd-update gave me a lot more security hints but for the
packages.
So am I right believing that the security patches only regard kernel
and to get the latest package-updates I have to run freebsd-update?
Or is there another possibility?

Thanx for your patience and help in advance
Oliver
 


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RE: freebsd-stable packages on freebsd-release-4.9

[JJB]

To change the package version used by the pkg_add -r command
run sysinstall, go to the options screen and set
the "release name" to "4.9-STABLE".


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I upgraded my ports tree with cvsup using "." for the release so I
would get the latest ports.  pkg_add -r downloads packages from
freebsd-release-4.9 and portupgrade -aPPR fails because it tries to
download packages with version numbers matching the ports tree from
the
freebsd-release-4.9 directory.  Compiling from ports give up to date
software.  I know that ports only supports freebsd-stable and
freebsd-
current, so is this what should be happening?  Or should pkg_add -r
be
in synch with ports.  Is it possible to use freebsd stable packages
on
freebsd-4.9, or do I need to always compile from ports?
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Re: freebsd-stable packages on freebsd-release-4.9

[Kent Stewart]

On Tuesday 04 May 2004 11:26 am, Clay Holladay wrote:
> I upgraded my ports tree with cvsup using "." for the release so I
> would get the latest ports.  pkg_add -r downloads packages from
> freebsd-release-4.9 and portupgrade -aPPR fails because it tries to
> download packages with version numbers matching the ports tree from
> the freebsd-release-4.9 directory.  Compiling from ports give up to
> date software.  I know that ports only supports freebsd-stable and
> freebsd- current, so is this what should be happening?  Or should
> pkg_add -r be in synch with ports.  Is it possible to use freebsd
> stable packages on freebsd-4.9, or do I need to always compile from
> ports?

You might do a "man pkg_add" and pay attention to the environmental 
variable PACKAGESITE. Yours is pointing to the freebsd-4.9 packages 
Building all of the packages is an enormous task and some mirrors stay 
closer than others. I use snapshots.jp.freebsd.org for somethings but 
my ports were updated more recently that snapshots were. I have an 
AMD-2400+ that is mostly used as a test machine and will rebuild them 
when I think it is time. Updating the 303 ports that I have installed 
required just over 12 hours of cpu time.

If you have a computer that is faster than 2GHz, you can probably build 
from ports better than you can find a mirror to download from. When 
they upgraded KDE to version 3.2.1, I set PACKAGESITE to point to 
FruitSalad, the home of kde FreeBSD, and did a package update using the 
-P option. The update using portupgrade -puf was only 20% slower than 
the system using FruitSalad. A 3GHz machine would eliminate the 
difference. The download speed from FruitSalad varied all of the way 
from 8KB/s to 40+KB/s. I don't know what I would see on a really good 
connection with no interference.

Kent

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Re: Freebsd STABLE

[frank cheong]

FYI, release 5 did not goes to STABLE branch yet. It should be ready some times 5-3 
released which is around mid summer.

Osmany Guirola Cruz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I am using 5.2 realese and using CTM to 
get STABLE
In the CTM ftp I found these folders
08/07/03 12:00AM cvs-cur
01/04/02 12:00AM ports-cur
02/11/01 12:00AM src-2.2
08/07/03 12:00AM src-3
03/13/01 12:00AM src-4
08/07/03 12:00AM src-cur
I supose that to be stable I should go to src-4 and download thw files .
I have 5.2 realese. what files should I download . 
Thanks


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Re: FreeBSD-Stable + apache13 + mod_frontpage

[David Banning]

> >> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libm.so.2: Undefined symbol
> >
> >Does /usr/lib/libm.so.2 exist?
> 
> seems to:

My only guess would be that some of the dependencies are not
meshing as they should. I would do a cvsup of your ports and reinstall 
the dependencies.

Sorry I can't be of more help.


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Re: FreeBSD-Stable + apache13 + mod_frontpage

[Doug Reynolds]

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 00:48:31 -0500, David Banning wrote:

>> Will chown web to www as part of install.
>> Will chgrp web to www as part of install.
>> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libm.so.2: Undefined symbol
>
>Does /usr/lib/libm.so.2 exist?

seems to:

[root@/]>dir /usr/lib/libm.so*
lrwxr-xr-x  1 root  wheel   9 Nov 17 14:21 /usr/lib/libm.so@ ->
libm.so.2
-r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  117024 Nov 17 14:21 /usr/lib/libm.so.2
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Re: FreeBSD-Stable + apache13 + mod_frontpage

[David Banning]

> Will chown web to www as part of install.
> Will chgrp web to www as part of install.
> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/lib/libm.so.2: Undefined symbol

Does /usr/lib/libm.so.2 exist?

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Re: FreeBSD-Stable + apache13 + mod_frontpage

[Doug Reynolds]

On Sun, 08 Dec 2002 23:37:35 -0500, Doug Reynolds wrote:

>I am having a problem with the frontpage 5 extentions.
>
>everytime i run the fp_install.sh script I get:

oh - wantd to mention i've been google'n for the last 2 hrs looking for
an answer :(

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