Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Luke Kearney
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:38:18 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] granted us these pearls of wisdom: I just learned that if you run Apache+Frontpage, you can't teach Apache to only listen on a single IP address. For some reason, Frontpage causes Apache to always bind to all IP addresses.

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Luke Kearney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:38:18 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] granted us these pearls of wisdom: I just learned that if you run Apache+Frontpage, you can't teach Apache to only listen on a single IP address. For some reason, Frontpage causes

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Tim Traver
Bill, Not sure what you mean that frontpage caused apache to bind to all IP's...it shouldn't... The frontpage apache module should respect any of the virtual hosts or virtual IP's that you have set up in apache. The module is just a way for apache to run the fp.exe wrapper script around the

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Matthew Seaman
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:38:18AM -0400, Bill Moran wrote: 2) Can anyone suggest an alternative to Apache+Frontpage? I prefer scp myself (and there are even spiffy GUI scp clients for Windows) but many of these clients _insist_ on using Frontpage, so I _must_ continue to cater to them.

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Tim Traver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Not sure what you mean that frontpage caused apache to bind to all IP's...it shouldn't... I agree. The frontpage apache module should respect any of the virtual hosts or virtual IP's that you have set up in apache. It definately should. The

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Tim Traver
Bill, I use the latest mod_frontpage module with Apache 1.3.31... I haven't tested whether or not it binds to *:80 or not when I specify an IP. How are you specifying the IP in the conf file ? Are you just using Listen xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 ? t At 09:42 AM 6/10/2004, Bill Moran wrote: Tim Traver

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Tim Traver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, I use the latest mod_frontpage module with Apache 1.3.31... I haven't tested whether or not it binds to *:80 or not when I specify an IP. How are you specifying the IP in the conf file ? Are you just using Listen xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:80 ? Both of

RE: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Lucas Holt
One possibility is to run an ftp service instead of frontpage extensions. FrontPage clients can directly connect to ftp servers, although some of the functionality is lost including generating email forms, etc. Of course ftp is not as secure as scp, but users running FrontPage don't care about

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Chuck Swiger
Lucas Holt wrote: [ ... ] Personally, I find it odd to run frontpage extensions on a unix host. If people want microsoft technology, they should pay for NT hosting. I would very much rather administer a Unix box running software which plays nice with Windows protocols (if that is what the client

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Tim Traver
Bill, ok, I tested this out for ya, and I couldn't duplicate the issue. FreeBSD 4.8... I put an additional IP on the main interface, and started apache with Listen IP:80 for each IP. The server has mod_frontpage using apache 1.3.29. I even tried have the BindAddress in the conf file as well.

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Tim Traver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, ok, I tested this out for ya, and I couldn't duplicate the issue. FreeBSD 4.8... Thanks for taking time to research this, Tim. I put an additional IP on the main interface, and started apache with Listen IP:80 for each IP. The server has

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucas Holt wrote: [ ... ] Personally, I find it odd to run frontpage extensions on a unix host. If people want microsoft technology, they should pay for NT hosting. I would very much rather administer a Unix box running software which plays nice

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Lucas Holt
I would second this. At least I know the core OS is secure and stable. The only thing I need to worry about is the Frontpage extension itself. Customers are customers ... they want what they want, and if I don't give it to them, they'll take their money elsewhere. I just remember working at

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
Lucas Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would second this. At least I know the core OS is secure and stable. The only thing I need to worry about is the Frontpage extension itself. Customers are customers ... they want what they want, and if I don't give it to them, they'll take

Re: Frontpage and jails and possible alternatives

2004-06-10 Thread Bill Moran
This is for the archives ... I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I can't repeat the bizaar IP binding behaviour on a test box. On this test box, it works as expected. Figures ... the only time it won't work right is on a production box! grumble grumble The good news is that