Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Antony Mawer
On 3/08/2006 2:25 PM, User Freebsd wrote: b. Duplicates. Ted seems to have this covered with the CPU ID thing ... Isn't this one of those things that BIOS vendors added a Disable flag to their BIOS setup's for in order to prevent the wide-spread privacy concerns that cropped up when it was

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread User Freebsd
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Antony Mawer wrote: Agreed... I could probably add around 1,500 systems that could conceivably be setup to chime in with their numbers periodically; one of the pre-requisites for that would be that the access method be HTTP or HTTPS based so it could be relayed via a

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread backyard1454-bsd
--- User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, Antony Mawer wrote: Agreed... I could probably add around 1,500 systems that could conceivably be setup to chime in with their numbers periodically; one of the pre-requisites for that would be that the access method

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread User Freebsd
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe it's just because I've been reading up on it but what about outputting the information in XML??? Then you could tag the Vendor, Name, basic info, number of users, etc. in a tagged form that could be then stored in a Dbase of some kind by

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread backyard1454-bsd
--- User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe it's just because I've been reading up on it but what about outputting the information in XML??? Then you could tag the Vendor, Name, basic info, number of users, etc. in a tagged form

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Antony Mawer
On 4/08/2006 4:58 AM, User Freebsd wrote: Getting a list of devices is actually pretty easy, and I've tried this on my 4.x machines also, so it isn't something that will be a problem on older versions: # pciconf -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0: class=0x06 card=0x chip=0x700c1022 rev=0x20

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Antony Mawer wrote: On 4/08/2006 4:58 AM, User Freebsd wrote: Getting a list of devices is actually pretty easy, and I've tried this on my 4.x machines also, so it isn't something that will be a problem on older versions: # pciconf -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Antony Mawer
On 4/08/2006 10:29 AM, User Freebsd wrote: I was thinking of that ... my concern, and it may be totally invalid, but is it guaranteed to always translate the same? ie: ... Will that always translate the same regardless of running 4.x vs 5.x vs ... ? If so, you are right, that does

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/3/06, Antony Mawer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/08/2006 4:58 AM, User Freebsd wrote: Getting a list of devices is actually pretty easy, and I've tried this on my 4.x machines also, so it isn't something that will be a problem on older versions: # pciconf -l [EMAIL PROTECTED]:0:0:

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Antony Mawer
On 4/08/2006 11:44 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: 899 bytes * (10^7) = 8.37258995 gigabytes... Remember... Once this code is pushed out to hosts you can't change it. 10 years from now we'll still have hosts sending in old data What was wrong with my netcat idea? uname -mr | nc

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/3/06, Antony Mawer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/08/2006 11:44 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: 899 bytes * (10^7) = 8.37258995 gigabytes... Remember... Once this code is pushed out to hosts you can't change it. 10 years from now we'll still have hosts sending in old data What was wrong

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Antony Mawer wrote: All of the expanded 'vendor', 'device', 'class' and 'subclass' information is present in the non -v version of the command output. The numbers shown earlier can be used to derive the text information: class=0x010400 determines the

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-03 Thread Antony Mawer
On 4/08/2006 1:31 PM, User Freebsd wrote: 'k, looking at the above, and comparing it to what I'm getting from pciconf -l, I'm missing something ... namely: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0:class=0x02 card=0x0027a0a0 chip=0x813910ec rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 Translates to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:0:

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? On 8/1/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just add in the patch in kern/65627 and run the CPU serial number through your hash? Because you can still fake the dam thing, Why fake it when you can merely not supply

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Atom Powers wrote: It's still going to take you at least a release to get it into the base install. But if you can find a way to use the portsnap data and get useful information out of the cvsup data you can probably get numbers now with an error margin as low as 8% to 15%. Hey, I said that

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Atom Powers wrote: It's still going to take you at least a release to get it into the base install. But if you can find a way to use the portsnap data and get useful information out of the cvsup data you can probably get numbers now with an

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the question then goes back to: can you make any kind of count out of cvsup servers? Someone already said they thought you couldn't. At the end of the day, I think that unique IP address is as close as it's

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/2/06, Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the question then goes back to: can you make any kind of count out of cvsup servers? Someone already said they thought you couldn't. At the end of the day, I

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Nikolas Britton wrote: This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone else handles the problem? Not on the home page, I would suggest, because a) opt-in registrations have really low take-up

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread User Freebsd
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone else handles the problem? User A installs FreeBSD, registers, works with it for a week, finds he

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread User Freebsd
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Peter A. Giessel wrote: On 2006/08/02 15:37, User Freebsd seems to have typed: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
User Freebsd wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone else handles the problem? User A installs FreeBSD, registers, works with it

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Xiao-Yong Jin
Mikhail Goriachev [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: User Freebsd wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: This may sound dumb but why don't we just put a registration link on the FreeBSD main page... or registration in sysinstall. Isn't this how everyone else handles the problem?

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Olivier Nicole
You still can't avoid fakeries. Except that the fake will not bother coming back 3 times at one week interval, just to plant his faked data. Olivier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread Xiao-Yong Jin
Olivier Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You still can't avoid fakeries. Except that the fake will not bother coming back 3 times at one week interval, just to plant his faked data. Yes, just put it in the crontab. Easy, isn't it? Olivier -- Xiao-Yong

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-02 Thread User Freebsd
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: Let me say it again. There are three problems we are trying to solve. a. Bandwidth. Bandwidth, IMHO, isn't that big of an issue ... the ramp up time for this, IMHO, will be slow, so the bandwidth usage will be a gradual increase ... b.

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, but will never count everything because sites

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Gerard Seibert wrote: Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: But one can't rely on that. You'll definitely see more than one ip associated with my laptop, if I move it around. A more reliable way that I can think of is generating a unique ID number when a system finishes installation or

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
- Original Message - From: User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Aug 1, 2006, at 12:14 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Sun's compiler and some other programs of theirs are serialized and when you buy them you have to send in the cpu serial number to Sun who generates a key that will only allow the compiler to run on that system. If you move the compiler

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Garrett Cooper
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: - Original Message - From: User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? On Mon, 31 Jul

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/31/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Xiao-Yong Jin
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Generating a unique anonymous key is easy, proving why we need it is not. That's how we can tell the differences between server to server. Ok, here it is, ifconfig | sha256 | md5 . 16^32 unique anonymous keys. Every host needs to have a NIC to send

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Generating a unique anonymous key is easy, proving why we need it is not. If you want to make accurate #s, you need to make sure that a host doesn't send in multiple reports, which means you need a unique key for each host ... IP doesn't work,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 7/31/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Robert Huff
User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need to do something like: ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5 since the 'ether' would never change ... At

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Robert Huff wrote: User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need to do something like: ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5 since the 'ether'

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
User Freebsd wrote: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need to do something like: ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5 since the 'ether' would never change ... I think you'd want

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/1/06, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need to do something like: ifconfig | grep ether | sha256 | md5 since the

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 9:11 AM Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Robert Huff wrote: User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/1/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just add in the patch in kern/65627 and run the CPU serial number through your hash? Because you can still fake the dam thing, making the whole idea useless!!! Am I the only one that can see this ... what the hell people! I just

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/1/06, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not just add in the patch in kern/65627 and run the CPU serial number through your hash? Because you can still fake the dam thing, making the whole idea useless!!! Am I the only one that can

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/1/06, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would change ... you'd need to do something like:

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/1/06, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: User Freebsd writes: Actually, using ifconfig wouldn't work ... it would give unique, but as soon as you add another IP (ie. alias), the ID would

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness? We want to count each host reporting *once* ... without uniqueness per host, how are you going to know whether to update a hosts record, instead of add it as a new host? Marc G.

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness? We want to count each host reporting *once* ... without uniqueness per host, how are you going to know whether to update a hosts record,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Atom Powers
On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness? We want to count each host reporting *once* ... without uniqueness per host, how are you going to know whether to update a hosts record,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread User Freebsd
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 8/1/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Ok.. lets start from the top, again. Why do we need uniqueness? We want to count each host reporting *once* ... without uniqueness per host, how are you

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-08-01 Thread Olivier Nicole
Hi, Just my 2 satangs. It's nice to try to get a overall figure, but something that could be easier to indentify and would have some importance too, is the VIP users. If we can say that Google is using FreeBSD for their search engine farm, even if there are only 2000 machines, it may have more

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Colin Percival
User Freebsd wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or /usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org. Of these, about 4300 are running FreeBSD 6.0,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Svein Halvor Halvorsen
Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Also, I would guess that some people who run multiple FreeBSD systems, use some sort of local propagation of either the entire ports

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Even when I upgrade to 6 I think it unlikely I'll be switching to portsnap for 2 main reasons: 1) I know csvup; I have

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread User Freebsd
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: User Freebsd wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or /usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems which send HTTP requests to portsnap*.freebsd.org. Of

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread User Freebsd
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Also, I would guess that some people who run multiple FreeBSD systems, use some

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread User Freebsd
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Jul 30, 2006, at 8:42 PM, User Freebsd wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: User Freebsd wrote: We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and portsnap server, can't we? What does that give?

OT: portsnap [was Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?]

2006-07-31 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
User Freebsd wrote: We use cvsup here, daily, to update the ports tree ... and based on someone else's post (alex?), finding out that portsnap overwrites the ports tree, which I'm taking to mean it will remove anything I add to it, makes changing over for me a no-op :( Caveat: I don't

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Alex Zbyslaw
User Freebsd wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Also, I would guess that some people who run multiple

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread User Freebsd
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Alex Zbyslaw wrote: But this will then only count from the first version(s) of FreeBSD which contain the periodic job. Then every machine running an earlier release would be a ghost. Agreed, but any active counting will fail dealing with older machines, regardless ...

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Colin Percival
Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, but will never count everything because sites with multiple hosts may easily have local propagation mechanisms. But you will get an

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Chris Whitehouse
Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Colin Percival wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, but will never count everything because sites with multiple hosts may easily have local propagation

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Gerard Seibert
Chris Whitehouse wrote: Maybe not so many, my non-static ip hasn't changed since I signed up 3 years ago despite turning off the modem for the odd day or two. Another network I look after also hasn't changed in a year. Yes, my IP changed just once in the last 5 years and that was when a new

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Xiao-Yong Jin
Chris Whitehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex Zbyslaw wrote: Counting portsnap and cvsup accesses is non-intrusive - i.e. nothing sent from local host - will count systems from any version of FreeBSD, but will never count everything because sites with multiple hosts may easily have local

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Gerard Seibert
Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: But one can't rely on that. You'll definitely see more than one ip associated with my laptop, if I move it around. A more reliable way that I can think of is generating a unique ID number when a system finishes installation or upon the first boot. However, it may

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/31/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006, Svein Halvor Halvorsen wrote: Colin Percival wrote: There are still a lot of people (particularly on pre-6.0 systems) who are using CVSup rather than portsnap for updating their ports trees. Also, I would guess that

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-31 Thread Nikolas Britton
My calculations are off, I though the monthly periodic was relative to the system install date. Here are the new numbers: Lets say each client sends 20 bytes and their are 10^7 clients for a total of 190.7MB per month. Now... Lets say 50% (10^6.7) of those clients are set to UTC and all of them

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing and exactly zero that I will actually list. It's not that I don't want to help, but I'm not going to run a

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: The only way this idea will work is if we put some code in the base system that sends something generic every few months. for example. Send 'uname -mr' to stats.freebsd.org every 3 months. It would be very easy to 'opt out', perhaps stats_enable=NO

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: Yes and no. Not all cvsup servers are under the control of the FreeBSD project but you are right, they could log the release tag and more. Also don't forget about website stats, mailing list subscriptions, and ftp servers. None of which

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: You might think this sounds harmless but folks have done this kind of thing in the past with other products and wreaked havoc on the Internet. You can start by referencing dlink ntp fiasco in google to get an idea of what can happen to these kinds

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006, Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: People like me who only use FreeBSD on the laptop would certainly give much shorter uptimes. Okay, I just wanna say, it's very strange to a mobile/desktop user. Again, I wasn't thinking so much about uptimes as the fact that the information is

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread Colin Percival
User Freebsd wrote: We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and portsnap server, can't we? What does that give? Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or /usr/local/portsnap directories) are being kept updated on systems which send HTTP requests

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: User Freebsd wrote: We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and portsnap server, can't we? What does that give? Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or /usr/local/portsnap directories) are being

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread User Freebsd
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: User Freebsd wrote: We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and portsnap server, can't we? What does that give? Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e., /var/db/portsnap or /usr/local/portsnap directories) are being

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-30 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Jul 30, 2006, at 8:42 PM, User Freebsd wrote: On Sun, 30 Jul 2006, Colin Percival wrote: User Freebsd wrote: We can also collect the access information of the cvsup server and portsnap server, can't we? What does that give? Approximately 15000 portsnap snapshots (i.e.,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-29 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/29/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 7/28/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing and

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-29 Thread Atom Powers
On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Atom Powers wrote: My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing and exactly zero that I will actually list. It's not that I

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-29 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/29/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: You might think this sounds harmless but folks have done this kind of thing in the past with other products and wreaked havoc on the Internet. You can start by referencing dlink ntp fiasco in

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-29 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/29/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Atom Powers wrote: My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal use. But of those there are maybe 2-3 that I would be ok with listing and

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-29 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/29/06, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/29/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Atom Powers wrote: My shop runs 30+ FreeBSD hosts, and I have several more for personal use. But of those there

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread Atom Powers
On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out there running 1 or more FreeBSD boxes to go to http://www.mreriksson.net/uptimes register all of your hosts, and install /usr/ports/sysutils/uptimec and get it

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread User Freebsd
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006, Atom Powers wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out there running 1 or more FreeBSD boxes to go to http://www.mreriksson.net/uptimes register all of your hosts, and

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/28/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out there running 1 or more FreeBSD boxes to go to http://www.mreriksson.net/uptimes register all of your hosts,

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread Xiao-Yong Jin
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/28/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out there running 1 or more FreeBSD boxes to go to

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
- Original Message - From: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there? On 7/28/06

Re: Gotta start somewhere ... how many of us are really out there?

2006-07-28 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 7/28/06, Xiao-Yong Jin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/28/06, Atom Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/06, User Freebsd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Towards that end, as a starter, I would like to encourage everyone out there running 1 or more