Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-22 Thread David Brodbeck
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: Dredging up physics unused for 30+ years, ferrite is ferromagnetic and intensifies magnetic fields so a coil of wire with ferrite inside is a massively bigger inductor then an empty coil. I vaguely remember that brass is

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-22 Thread Gary Kline
:34 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD) On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 07:25:14PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: And I'm appalled that my phone has more horsepower than a dual-cpu VAX 11/780 with a floating-point accelerator. That just doesn't seem right. What I find appalling is that most of the extra power on my smartphone is wasted on

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700,

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread perryh
Svein Skogen (Listmail account) svein-listm...@tillbilde.net wrote: On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Reference: From: David Brodbeck g...@gull.us Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:58:40 -0700 Message-id: aanlkti=zo1ojzcqs4xyezvmkonmt6uv_vmqki0hik...@mail.gmail.com David Brodbeck wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 10/20/10

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread krad
On 20 October 2010 21:10, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Oct 20 15:04:17 2010 From: Mike Jeays mike.je...@rogers.com To: Bob Hall rjh...@gmail.com, FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:05:34 -0400 Cc: Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 21 02:18:28 2010 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:20:07 +0100 From: Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org To: FreeBSD-Questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD) On 10/20/10 23:07, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread RW
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than brass/empty or ferrite/empty.

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chancefree...@qeng-ho.org wrote: 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. I wonder why it was brass/ferrite rather than

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Alex Stangl
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 01:38:44PM +0100, RW wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs for 0s and ferrite slugs for 1s on a pin board. I wonder why it was

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread RW
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:32:23 +0100 Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 10/21/10 13:38, RW wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:10:28 +0100 Arthur Chancefree...@qeng-ho.org wrote: 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a machine by inserting brass slugs for 0s and

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-21 Thread Henry Olyer
My first machine was an IBM 1620, but hey, at least we had an actual disk. A couple of 2311's. To quote a fellow I used to consult for, two days' I had solved a particularly nasty programming problem for his company, But what have you done for us lately? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:57 AM, RW

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Svein Skogen (Listmail account)
On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX 780 days :-) I booted my first UNIX V7 tape on a

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 09:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitzg...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Jeays
On October 20, 2010 03:47:38 am per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX 780 days :-) I booted my first UNIX

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Jerry Dunham
On 20 Oct 2010 at 10:32, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Kevin Oberman
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 00:47:38 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com Sender: owner-freebsd-mob...@freebsd.org Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the VAX 780 days :-) I booted my

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:32:58AM +0200, Svein Skogen (Listmail account) wrote: On 20.10.2010 09:47, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Tim Daneliuk
On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline escribi?: PS: I really _was_ current on hardware stuff. Back in the

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las 07:29:46PM -0700, Gary Kline

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Mike Jeays
On October 20, 2010 03:46:06 pm Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Arthur Chance
On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias Apitzg...@unixarea.de wrote: El d?a Tuesday, October 19, 2010 a las

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Arthur Chance free...@qeng-ho.org wrote: On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: Getting back to reality, although I never did it (fortunately), a friend of mine who was about a decade older than me (I'm mid/late 50s) had the experience of programming microcode on a

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Gary Kline
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:10:28PM +0100, Arthur Chance wrote: On 10/20/10 20:46, Bob Hall wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:07:55PM -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 10/20/2010 11:55 AM, Gary Kline wrote: On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:47:38AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote: Matthias

Re: Greybeards (Re: Netbooks BSD)

2010-10-20 Thread Rich Kulawiec
Unix, v6, on a PDP-11 (although I can't recall which model), circa 1977. Got away from it for a bit, then landed in the middle of the v6-v7 shift and the BSD takeover a couple of years later. Still recall being amazed by the Fujitsu Eagle (small form factor, large capacity). And I'm appalled