Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-17 Thread Michael Powell
ThinkDifferently wrote:

 
 
 Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 
 ThinkDifferently wrote:
 
 In my BIOS there is the following...
 Hard Disk Boot Priority   [Press Enter]
  1. SCSI-0::  RocketRAID 3120 SATA C
  2. Bootable Add-in Cards
 
 
 So what happens when you choose 2. Bootable Add-in Cards, save the
 setting and reboot with [Hard Disk] as First Boot Device?
 
 
 No change.  :-(

Well the only other idea I have right now is that perhaps sysinstall
lied to you about what it wrote out to the mirror. It thinks it has
successfully completed an install but maybe failed to write the
boot loader, or more, and is misleading.

Next thing I would try is to boot from the LivsFS CD and attempt
to mount the mirror to someplace such as /mnt. If it gets mounted
go examine what's there. If it was newfs'd successfully and the
install is good then there will be a file system with all the normal
bits you'd expect to see. If all that's there maybe it's munged
the mbr and/or partition table. Far fetched maybe but something
to eliminate. When you can't figure out what it is, figure out
what it isn't, until you back it into a corner.  :-)

There is also another thing which I don't know enough about, but
have noticed a little traffic about. Try searching for issues
people have had about device renumbering. That really shouldn't
be an issue with a hardware RAID controller but maybe some of
the related info may spark an idea.

I'm also a little curious that the controller card itself could
possibly have some hardware defect. An easy way to rule it out
would be to try with another OS such as Linux and/or Windows. If
you see the same behavior the card is defective. If not the problem
is somehow FreeBSD related. It's the old divide and conquer 
paradigm - if there actually is a hardware defect present all the
mucking around in software isn't going to change anything. The first
place to drive in the wedge is hardware vs software. If you can prove
the hardware is functioning correctly then you know which road you
have to go down.

Sorry to not be more helpful here, but the couple of times in the
past that I've used old Highpoints it was just create array, reboot,
install to ar0 (older PATA IDE array) and it was done.

-Mike

 


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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-17 Thread ThinkDifferently


Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 Sorry to not be more helpful here, but the couple of times in the
 past that I've used old Highpoints it was just create array, reboot,
 install to ar0 (older PATA IDE array) and it was done.
 

Well, I've been on the phone with both Gigabyte's and Highpoint's technical
support staff.  Highpoint was very cavalier about the whole thing.  He
actually said, well, when it comes to hardware, we're just guessing.  %-| 
DUH!  You're in the hardware business!

Gigabyte's tech support guy was a whole lot more helpful, but in the end he
couldn't get it to work either.  His working theory is that since the
motherboard has its own RAID controller (even if it's disabled), it may be
interfering with the RocketRAID's ability to intervene using the same
mechanism (called Interrupt 13).  I even upgraded the RocketRAID's firmware
in an attempt to get it working.  Nothing changed the situation.

So, my working theory is that this RocketRAID is not compatible with my
motherboard and vice versa.  In fact, I checked Highpoint's web site, and
they have a motherboard support list.  It is in fact an astonishingly tiny
list, mostly (w)Intel boards, and quite obscure.  A very small niche.

To summarize...
  Motherboard:  Gigabyte GA-MA78G-DS3H
  RAID Card:  Highpoint RocketRAID 3120
I could get the RAID card to function, but I couldn't boot from it.

Perhaps it's remotely possible that there's still something else to try, but
I have very little patience when there's a 15 day return policy.  %-O

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So, now I'm trying to get software RAID to work.  See...
http://www.nabble.com/Help-with%3A--atacontrol-create-RAID1-ad4-ad6-to21511186.html
http://www.nabble.com/Help-with%3A--atacontrol-create-RAID1-ad4-ad6-to21511186.html
 
I'm not having much luck with that either.
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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-17 Thread Michael Powell
ThinkDifferently wrote:
[snip] 
 Gigabyte's tech support guy was a whole lot more helpful, but in the end
 he
 couldn't get it to work either.  His working theory is that since the
 motherboard has its own RAID controller (even if it's disabled), it may be
 interfering with the RocketRAID's ability to intervene using the same
 mechanism (called Interrupt 13).  I even upgraded the RocketRAID's
 firmware
 in an attempt to get it working.  Nothing changed the situation.

The only other thing is if you can disable INT 13 boot in the motherboard
BIOS so as to leave the one on the HighPoint card the only one active. You
would still change the below to Bootable Add-in Cards.

The theory does explain this though:

In my BIOS there is the following...
Hard Disk Boot Priority   [Press Enter]
 1. SCSI-0::  RocketRAID 3120 SATA C
 2. Bootable Add-in Cards

The RocketRAID card should not be showing up here on line 1 as SCSI-0. I
was initially very confused when I saw this, but this would match the 
Gigabyte tech guys theory. This line should only be involving devices
on the 1rst controller, e.g. the mobo one. 
 
 So, my working theory is that this RocketRAID is not compatible with my
 motherboard and vice versa.  In fact, I checked Highpoint's web site, and
 they have a motherboard support list.  It is in fact an astonishingly tiny
 list, mostly (w)Intel boards, and quite obscure.  A very small niche.

Could very well be the case. If they have the INT13 hardwired in the BIOS
to only try to boot from the 1rst (onboard controller) it won't look for
an mbr anywhere else, even when told to boot from the add in card. This
would be a fairly extreme oversight as the ability to boot from external
add in cards was added a long long time ago. I've been doing such things
successfully for years. This would be really crappy BIOS design on 
Gigabyte's part. Hell if I had another motherboard to run the experiment
on and prove the hypothesis I'd be tempted to return the motherboard! :-)

 I have very little patience when there's a 15 day return policy.  %-O

Roger that!

-Mike



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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-16 Thread Michael Powell
ThinkDifferently wrote:

 
 
 Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 In your motherboard BIOS is there any entry that controls which
 controller boots first? If so set it to boot from the add-in card first
 instead of the
 onboard controller.
 
 
 In my BIOS there is the following...
 Hard Disk Boot Priority   [Press Enter]
  1. SCSI-0::  RocketRAID 3120 SATA C
  2. Bootable Add-in Cards

So what happens when you choose 2. Bootable Add-in Cards, save the 
setting and reboot with [Hard Disk] as First Boot Device?

 First Boot Device  [CDROM]
 Second Boot Device  [Hard Disk]
 Third Boot Device [USB-FDD]
 
 For grins, I tried making Hard Disk the first boot device and disabling
 the
 others.  I also tried moving the card to another PCI slot.  Finally, I
 tried shutting off any unnecessary devices on the mobo to include the
 unused serial  parallel headers, usb, firewire, etc.
 
 Nothing changed.
 
 On reset...
 1) The RocketRAID card beeps.
 2) The motherboard BIOS screen is displayed.
 3) The RocketRAID BIOS screen is displayed.
 4) It shows all devices that are enabled and their interrupt settings.
 5) It tries to boot from the Hard Disk, which is set to SCSI-0::
 RocketRAID 3120 SATA C.
 6) It resets and the above repeats.
 
 In the table of devices that I mention in #4, above, see the attached
 image.
 It shows up as RAID Cntrlr.  In this screenshot, just about everything
 else is turned off.
 http://www.nabble.com/file/p21489832/P1158072.jpg
 
 
 Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 Also ensure that in the Highpoint card BIOS INT 13 is
 on, should be this way by default.
 
 
 Yes, that is enabled.


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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-16 Thread ThinkDifferently


Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 
 ThinkDifferently wrote:
 
 In my BIOS there is the following...
 Hard Disk Boot Priority   [Press Enter]
  1. SCSI-0::  RocketRAID 3120 SATA C
  2. Bootable Add-in Cards
 
 
 So what happens when you choose 2. Bootable Add-in Cards, save the 
 setting and reboot with [Hard Disk] as First Boot Device?
 

No change.  :-(

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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-16 Thread ThinkDifferently


Another user wrote:
 
 Try to reload a boot manager with the new boot order. It may be the bios
 is
 renumbering the drives with the boot order. I have several plug in cards
 and have
 had to to this. Boot manager is on ad0 but boot order looks to ad6 first.
 You could
 use another manager like GAG, my fav.
 You may need to force file system mount and edit the fstab after moving
 everything
 around. 
 

(Another user sent the above to me in e-mail, but I had trouble replying to
him, and I didn't see it on Nabble.)

OK, this is interesting, but I admit I don't know much about boot managers.

Can you please elaborate a little more on this?  Is this something I can do
from the FixIt shell?
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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-15 Thread Michael Powell
Jeremy Gagliardi wrote:

 I'm having trouble with HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE.
 
 I have 2 disks on it in a mirror configuration.  Everything seems to go
 swimmingly through the FreeBSD installation, up until the final reboot...
 
 1) Boot from Disc 1.
 2) At the Welcome to FreeBSD screen, choose option 6
 ok load hptiop
 ok boot
 3) It recognizes my mirror as device da0 and I proceed with the
 installation.
 4) I install all distros, except X.org  Ports.
 5) At the tail end, before rebooting, I enter a shell and vi
 /boot/loader.conf.  I add the line:
 hptiop_load=YES
 6) REBOOT.
 
 The following happens...
 a) RocketRAID card beeps
 b) I see the BIOS splash screen
 c) I see RocketRAID splash screen
 d) It resets and repeats everything above.
 
 I never even get a boot loader menu to try troubleshooting.
 
 What did I miss?  Why can't this thing boot?  Unfortunately, HighPoint's
 User Manual was last updated in 2007, when FreeBSD 6.1 was the latest.
 Since then, the hptiop driver was added to 7.x, and that's what I'm trying
 to use.  To be clear, the problem isn't that I can get FreeBSD to mount
 and recognize it, I can.  The problem is being able to boot from it.
 
[snip]

In your motherboard BIOS is there any entry that controls which controller
boots first? If so set it to boot from the add-in card first instead of the
onboard controller. Also ensure that in the Highpoint card BIOS INT 13 is 
on, should be this way by default.

-Mike



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Re: Help needed w/ HighPoint RocketRAID 3120 on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE

2009-01-15 Thread ThinkDifferently


Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 In your motherboard BIOS is there any entry that controls which controller
 boots first? If so set it to boot from the add-in card first instead of
 the
 onboard controller.
 

In my BIOS there is the following...
Hard Disk Boot Priority   [Press Enter]
 1. SCSI-0::  RocketRAID 3120 SATA C
 2. Bootable Add-in Cards
First Boot Device  [CDROM]
Second Boot Device  [Hard Disk]
Third Boot Device [USB-FDD]

For grins, I tried making Hard Disk the first boot device and disabling the
others.  I also tried moving the card to another PCI slot.  Finally, I tried
shutting off any unnecessary devices on the mobo to include the unused
serial  parallel headers, usb, firewire, etc.

Nothing changed.

On reset...
1) The RocketRAID card beeps.
2) The motherboard BIOS screen is displayed.
3) The RocketRAID BIOS screen is displayed.
4) It shows all devices that are enabled and their interrupt settings.
5) It tries to boot from the Hard Disk, which is set to SCSI-0:: 
RocketRAID 3120 SATA C.
6) It resets and the above repeats.

In the table of devices that I mention in #4, above, see the attached image. 
It shows up as RAID Cntrlr.  In this screenshot, just about everything
else is turned off.
http://www.nabble.com/file/p21489832/P1158072.jpg 


Michael Powell-6 wrote:
 
 Also ensure that in the Highpoint card BIOS INT 13 is 
 on, should be this way by default.
 

Yes, that is enabled.
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